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 Nevelon wrote:
If he was just raised from the near-dead, with techniques that may have has something to do with foul xenos, I think it might be a good idea for the chaplain to stick a “He’s OK” seal on him. Just so the boys in blue know it's legit.

Not that Guilliman needs the approval, but it helps keep the questions away.

Breaking News: Guilliman is proven pure by local Chaplains.

 Theophony wrote:

I looked more at the pic and saw Calagar next to RG and wondered how those gauntlets used to fit RG. I know they had been taken off a chaos warrior at some point, but I thought that RG had worn them in the past as well. Maybe they just sat in a display case in his hall of trophies.

There are other previously primarch-owned items that have the similar issue. The answer is of course that the primarchs originally weren't mean to be this big. It was the BL which (one again) fethed up the fluff.

 Crimson wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

I looked more at the pic and saw Calagar next to RG and wondered how those gauntlets used to fit RG. I know they had been taken off a chaos warrior at some point, but I thought that RG had worn them in the past as well. Maybe they just sat in a display case in his hall of trophies.

There are other previously primarch-owned items that have the similar issue. The answer is of course that the primarchs originally weren't mean to be this big. It was the BL which (one again) fethed up the fluff.

I think that RG did never wear the gauntlets.

 Crimson wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

I looked more at the pic and saw Calagar next to RG and wondered how those gauntlets used to fit RG. I know they had been taken off a chaos warrior at some point, but I thought that RG had worn them in the past as well. Maybe they just sat in a display case in his hall of trophies.

There are other previously primarch-owned items that have the similar issue. The answer is of course that the primarchs originally weren't mean to be this big. It was the BL which (one again) fethed up the fluff.

I think the problem is space marines higth more then the primarchs.

Space marines should be 7 ish feet tall. They are on scale with the average 6 foot guardsman. That's loss of a foot, the Knights are like 16 feet arnt they? But they shrunk to about 12.

So when a primarch is 8-9 feet tall it throws everything off. They never did a ratio scale just a what looks good scale. Only way to fix it is make everything say 1/9th scale or similar. The way GW does it make them look good doesn't work well.

Tanks are like a 1/12 scale
Marines 1/10
Guards 1/9
Primarchs 1/4

Screws the wolrd up.
Seriously why did auto correct make a extra s turn into( is )and hem into (me) and a doesnt with out the ' turn into( does she not)

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:


Anyone else look at this image as if Cawl came out of the container as a transport? lol.

When. where, and how the guy wants to "come out" is his choice man. Respect it.

OgreChubbs wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

I looked more at the pic and saw Calagar next to RG and wondered how those gauntlets used to fit RG. I know they had been taken off a chaos warrior at some point, but I thought that RG had worn them in the past as well. Maybe they just sat in a display case in his hall of trophies.

There are other previously primarch-owned items that have the similar issue. The answer is of course that the primarchs originally weren't mean to be this big. It was the BL which (one again) fethed up the fluff.

I think the problem is space marines higth more then the primarchs.

Space marines should be 7 ish feet tall. They are on scale with the average 6 foot guardsman. That's loss of a foot, the Knights are like 16 feet arnt they? But they shrunk to about 12.

So when a primarch is 8-9 feet tall it throws everything off. They never did a ratio scale just a what looks good scale. Only way to fix it is make everything say 1/9th scale or similar. The way GW does it make them look good doesn't work well.

Tanks are like a 1/12 scale
Marines 1/10
Guards 1/9
Primarchs 1/4

Screws the wolrd up.
Seriously why did auto correct make a extra s turn into( is )and hem into (me) and a doesnt with out the ' turn into( does she not)

Except that doesn't make sense from a tabletop perspective. Regardless of if you think marines are the issue, they already are the scale they are en mass and nothing is fixing that. So it makes more sense to have a leader of that same line match their scale. Not to mention the idea that people harp on about marines being too short when it would be a far easier fix to make a new guard kit scaled down to more of a fire warriors height. The cadians are fething old so it would be the perfect time for said solution.

Edit: Not to mention the issue with marine vehicles, already it's hard to imagine 10 marines in a rhino, yet people want them to be larger. It would blow up the whole line...Uh oh

I thought Space Marines were 12' tall?

Kirasu wrote:Of course, they need every named hero of the imperium in the same spot at the same time.. .to fight a horde of nameless and mostly leaderless CSM!

It's a display.

If they actually fought battles like that in 40K, there'd only need to be one single sane commander and he'd conquer the galaxy. Standing in lines like this was last considered cool by the end of M2 (1914), and that was when they noticed high rate of fire heavy weapons were a thing.

I don't like to this grey knights standing behind Celestine are eyeing her.

Neronoxx wrote:
Sad to see people bothered so much by something that may not even change how they enjoy the hobby. It's like they need something to complain about.
There are people who want the Primarchs to return.
There are people who do not.
Neither is wrong, neither is right, and both CAN continue to play warhammer as they like, pre or post primarch.

That's categorically wrong, because if the way I like to play Warhammer is without Primarchs and associated frippery and GW make Primarchs part of the game then I either get used to playing games that involve Primarchs or I don't get to play.

People used this same nonsense argument before, multiple times, and it hasn't stopped being nonsense since the last of them. These days you either accept Formations or you don't get many games. You accept superheavies & Knights or you don't get many games. You accept fliers/AA, or you don't get many games. And soon, you'll either accept Primarchs and whatever else GW cack out as part of the Storm's a' Comin: Totally Not End Times Honest Guv releases to come, or you won't get many games.

Yes, you can retreat entirely into an old edition where 40K still made some kind of sense as a 28mm-scale skirmish game, but it's hard enough getting people to play with for unsupported GW games that are both fan favourites and don't have any present day fully supported version like Mordheim, for 2nd-5th edition 40K it will be a nightmare. And that's assuming you can lay hands on all the required books.

If you like the idea of Primarchs in 40K, on you go, enjoy, have fun, but don't widdle on my cheerios and tell me it's milk - people who don't fancy the idea are perfectly justified in being put out as it will negatively affect us(in either reduced opportunities to play, or less satisfying games where we have to put up with something we dislike).

 Theophony wrote:

I looked more at the pic and saw Calagar next to RG and wondered how those gauntlets used to fit RG. I know they had been taken off a chaos warrior at some point, but I thought that RG had worn them in the past as well. Maybe they just sat in a display case in his hall of trophies.

To be fair

Rowboat seems to have gained a lot of weight doing nothing for 10k years

he was a lot skinnier during the heresy

i really like his backpack though

 Yodhrin wrote:
- people who don't fancy the idea are perfectly justified in being put out as it will negatively affect us(in either reduced opportunities to play, or less satisfying games where we have to put up with something we dislike).

Yeah, or you realize that this is a social game and that you need to consider the wants of the person across from you as well. Why should your desire to play without primarchs or flyers outweigh my desire to try them out and see?

Nothing stops you from asking for a game without them, or even asking if we can have one of each if your feeling equitable... Except for narcissism

If you want the ability to dictate all aspects of the game and opponents, you could always get two armies and play solitaire 40k

 Yodhrin wrote:

If you like the idea of Primarchs in 40K, on you go, enjoy, have fun, but don't widdle on my cheerios and tell me it's milk - people who don't fancy the idea are perfectly justified in being put out as it will negatively affect us(in either reduced opportunities to play, or less satisfying games where we have to put up with something we dislike).

I agree totally (not just with the quoted part but the whole post) and its the main reason I've sat out this edition and half of the last. The solution isn't to put out some half assed kiddy friendly version with little to no variety or depth for those want to play a more traditional 2nd-5th ed game instead of all apoc, all the time as rumored/speculated in the 8th ed thread. Sadly, I don't see GW doing anything more than lip service and spin to support that part of their current and ex player base.

 davou wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
- people who don't fancy the idea are perfectly justified in being put out as it will negatively affect us(in either reduced opportunities to play, or less satisfying games where we have to put up with something we dislike).

Yeah, or you realize that this is a social game and that you need to consider the wants of the person across from you as well. Why should your desire to play without primarchs or flyers outweigh my desire to try them out and see?

Nothing stops you from asking for a game without them, or even asking if we can have one of each if your feeling equitable... Except for narcissism

If you want the ability to dictate all aspects of the game and opponents, you could always get two armies and play solitaire 40k

He could easily say that you've played and enjoyed the game with out them, why dose haveing him NOW a break or make it for you to enjoy the game now?

consider how this is a change in a game people may dislike.


I dislike formations so all I can really do is choose not to use them. My enjoyment of 40k has slowly been going down having to put up with the broken formations ruining this game.

I liked the game before the change, and played many fun games with other players.


Well gullieman being back doesn't bother me I get the sentiment.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Space marines should be 7 ish feet tall. They are on scale with the average 6 foot guardsman. That's loss of a foot, the Knights are like 16 feet arnt they? But they shrunk to about 12.

The Knights? What Knights?

Space Marines are 7.

Standing next to Calgar, Guiliman looks ~16 and it's outright bananas, imo.

 davou wrote:

Yeah, or you realize that this is a social game and that you need to consider the wants of there person across from you as well. Why should your desire to play without primarchs or flyers outweigh my desire to try them out and see?

Nothing stops you from asking for a game without them, or even asking if we can have one of each if your feeling equitable... Except for narcissism

If you want the ability to dictate all aspects of the game and opponents, you could always get two armies and play solitaire 40k

Did it ever occur to you that people don't ask because they specifically do NOT want to dictate terms to other players and that too many TFG' s respond to the requested/concerns about the issue reflexively with insults just like you did? Look at your own post and instinctively resorting to name calling. "What, you don't want to play with your CAD infantry list against what for the past 10 years was an apoc only superheavy army that lost even the downside of having pay points for benefits in formations? You're just chicken and afraid to lose, right?" You just asked, insulted, and answered your own question.

Personally, I couldn't care less about the game balance aspect of this (OK, I probably could care a bit less, but not much.)

Rules come go, power builds come and go. It's not a big deal. But what has kept me interested in 40K all these years is the background, and this is the biggest background shakeup since the setting was solidified in the second edition. And it is not a shakeup I like, and I fear it is only the
beginning...




Unrelated observation about the model: whilst the overall style of the model is a matter of taste, the face of the model is just objectively bad. Compared to very detailed faces GW has recently produced where you can see wrinkles, scars and cheek muscles it is really flat. This is odd because it is in bigger scale than the heads they usually make, so there would be more room to define the features. This is also annoying because the scale of the model makes options for a headswap pretty damn limited.

OH SNAP

wasn't there a rumour around the time that Magnus came out that a Traitor Primarch would turn Loyal and vice versa

what if Magnus becomes Loyal and Roboute turns Traitor?

what do you guys think?

LightKing wrote:
OH SNAP

wasn't there a rumour around the time that Magnus came out that a Traitor Primarch would turn Loyal and vice versa

what if Magnus becomes Loyal and Roboute turns Traitor?

what do you guys think?

That's like the last 15 years until just recently M. Knight Shamylan levels of horribad plot twist. No thanks.

I didn't notice them before, but I really don't care for the wings on RG. Not a deal breaker, but out of place. He still doesn't look nearly as bad as people are saying. I am hoping those weapons on him pack a punch.

LightKing wrote:
OH SNAP

wasn't there a rumour around the time that Magnus came out that a Traitor Primarch would turn Loyal and vice versa

what if Magnus becomes Loyal and Roboute turns Traitor?

what do you guys think?

Really hard to be redeemed once you are infused with the power of a Chaos god as their champion.

 AegisGrimm wrote:

LightKing wrote:
OH SNAP

wasn't there a rumour around the time that Magnus came out that a Traitor Primarch would turn Loyal and vice versa

what if Magnus becomes Loyal and Roboute turns Traitor?

what do you guys think?

Really hard to be redeemed once you are infused with the power of a Chaos god as their champion.

Thanks, that gave me a good chuckle ^^

 AegisGrimm wrote:

LightKing wrote:
OH SNAP

wasn't there a rumour around the time that Magnus came out that a Traitor Primarch would turn Loyal and vice versa

what if Magnus becomes Loyal and Roboute turns Traitor?

what do you guys think?

Really hard to be redeemed once you are infused with the power of a Chaos god as their champion.

Wasn't the loyalty of the Alpha Marines sort of vague? They never really jumped in with the whole chaos worship and also didn't stop rumors of their treachery.

It does fit the MO of the Alphas to play the long game to reach their goals.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Alpha_Legion#Heresy-Era

wheres that image of Calgar standing next to Roboute?

If you don't wanna play with primarchs try asking for a 1200 point game? 1200 points would make it hard to push the char in there, Gulliman'll proably be 400-500 points)

I'm torn on account of the fact that I actually don't particularly like any of the Guilliman models. The Forgeworld one is static as hell.The new one looks like the naff plastic daemon prince.



The Scibor one looks like a walking wall.



The Kabuki one is busy trying to cuddle himself.

Guilliman has really been quite poorly served in terms of sculpts, I think.

LightKing wrote:
wheres that image of Calgar standing next to Roboute?

Previous page, it's him in his terminator armor next to RG.

So if RGs iron halo is Celestines.. as the story and time line advances, technically should celestine have a worse save now? and an errata to strip her of it? (who am i kidding this is GW)

Can't one make the claim that Celestine might even have authority over Roboute since she is more powerful than him, i presume...or at least on his level?

Looking at that pic, Roboute looks about the same size as Cawl. Can we expect another £50 box, or will we get a primarch tax?