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Some of what throws him off in my mind is his leg armour panels curve inwards on the lower leg rather than outwards like normal. That together with the spread legged pose and overly gaudy armour in general unbalance the whole thing.

I know I'll not be upgrading from the lovely (if less action poised) FW version.

I am attributing height and girth difference to the new armor. It is said to be the pinnacle of power armor tech. It probably incorporates much thicker plating than RG's previous armor. The height difference is probably due to larger boots to proxide better footing.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
well as she speaks with His voice and is (as you say) effectively a Greater Daemon of the Emperor - only better since killing her mortal form only banishers her for seconds not hundreds of years - yeah I think we can say she is more powerful than he is - any doubt check out the pic of her arrival at Cadia and the multiple Greater Deamons being slain by her aura of power

Give that she wasn't able to beat Ezekyle Abaddon, I think it important to remember that there's no such thing as a proper power scale in 40k and licentia poetica runs rampant.

Personally, I blame Draigo.

To be fair, Abaddon is a whole different level, having the full support of all 4 powers. And she has been the only one since the Heresy, not only to lay hands on him, but near enough cripple him in 10,000+ years.

I still don't how some whine over this ...



... he looks F epic

Simple: aesthetics are a personal thing.

Personally I think he looks horribly done, but that's something I see with more and more digital sculpts (where I believe the majority of people doing them probably have much less of a genuine art background and are simply good on the computer). To me the figure looks like someone just opened up a 3D program and threw a veritable bucket of details at a model with little consideration for the end result.

I'm not sure why differing opinions are difficult for people to contemplate. Of course the most common response is calling someone who disagrees with you a "hater" which is basically the level of retort of a four year old child - because the person would rather not debate/discuss or acknowledge differing opinions.

GW's been on a role lately, but I don't like everything they've done. I don't care for the recent Eldar triad or this Primarch...but I love almost all of their Tzeentch releases, etc. An opinion is not right, or wrong...it's just an opinion. The above Primarch screams "crank it from 11 to 13!" or what a Primarch might look like if you asked my nine year old nephew to design one.

 Elbows wrote:
Simple: aesthetics are a personal thing.

Personally I think he looks horribly done, but that's something I see with more and more digital sculpts (where I believe the majority of people doing them probably have much less of a genuine art background and are simply good on the computer). To me the figure looks like someone just opened up a 3D program and threw a veritable bucket of details at a model with little consideration for the end result.

I'm not sure why differing opinions are difficult for people to contemplate. Of course the most common response is calling someone who disagrees with you a "hater" which is basically the level of retort of a four year old child - because the person would rather not debate/discuss or acknowledge differing opinions.

GW's been on a role lately, but I don't like everything they've done. I don't care for the recent Eldar triad or this Primarch...but I love almost all of their Tzeentch releases, etc. An opinion is not right, or wrong...it's just an opinion. The above Primarch screams "crank it from 11 to 13!" or what a Primarch might look like if you asked my nine year old nephew to design one.

Good post - Ageed - I like the Primarch but not the Eldar - Avatar being the best of the bunch for me, the girl too stiff and Imperial looking and the guy just a bit dull, but I get that otherws will love them.

RG without his helm does look a bit like Caligula !

 aracersss wrote:
I still don't how some whine over this ...

Spoiler:

... he looks F epic

The pose is good. I believe the problem is the "swirl hooks" make it look more Chaos. Also less is more. Someone did a photoshop and took the swirls away and it looks good. Too much bling.

Also the size. I am taking it he is in Darth Vader suit armour that keeps him alive so that is why he is twice as tall as others.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
To be fair, Abaddon is a whole different level, having the full support of all 4 powers. And she has been the only one since the Heresy, not only to lay hands on him, but near enough cripple him in 10,000+ years.

To be fair, someone could argue that Abaddon was distracted (he was) and it was a backstab (it was) and it still wasn't enough. Or that Abaddon hasn't, to my knowledge, fought anyone important in the past ten thousand years, so who knows how powerful he really is as an individual. Or that it was Tuesday and we all know Chaos is weak sauce on Tuesdays.

That way madness lies. I've seen the threads on Warseer.

I still blame Draigo.

 aracersss wrote:
I still don't how some whine over this ...



... he looks F epic

It's the initial angle - it was an odd one, and didn't show the proportions of the model clearly.

This one? Much better.

 Elbows wrote:
Simple: aesthetics are a personal thing.

Personally I think he looks horribly done, but that's something I see with more and more digital sculpts (where I believe the majority of people doing them probably have much less of a genuine art background and are simply good on the computer). To me the figure looks like someone just opened up a 3D program and threw a veritable bucket of details at a model with little consideration for the end result.

I'm not sure why differing opinions are difficult for people to contemplate. Of course the most common response is calling someone who disagrees with you a "hater" which is basically the level of retort of a four year old child - because the person would rather not debate/discuss or acknowledge differing opinions.

GW's been on a role lately, but I don't like everything they've done. I don't care for the recent Eldar triad or this Primarch...but I love almost all of their Tzeentch releases, etc. An opinion is not right, or wrong...it's just an opinion. The above Primarch screams "crank it from 11 to 13!" or what a Primarch might look like if you asked my nine year old nephew to design one.

I think the problem is more that people state their opinions as of they are facts. As of you looking something is factually incorrect and you're an idiot for doing so.

Look at the long lists of people dissecting RG as if they are fine art critics dissecting a masterpiece.

If you mock something someone likes, often without basis, you're going to irritate them. Look at your last line, you don't like it but you have decided to insinuate that it's designed by a 9 yr old, that it's cranked from 11 to 13! ... that's why people get irritated and the discussion descends into the schoolyard.

For the record I think the proportions look off too, I'm sure it will have some kind of reasoning with it being a supporting thing but it isn't my cup of tea - so it's not just that I'm calling you a hater because you criticised my Primarch of choice

 warboss wrote:


I did it yesterday virtually in mspaint. I matched the 60mm base sizes (assuming that's what both actually come on). If the GW one comes on an even larger base then all bets are off.

It's not so much the height but rather the ridiculous pose and popeye like exaggerated proportions of the GW model that make it look so ridiculously huge (and the excessive armor filigree that make it look gaudy). The attached pic looks small but is magnified in the spoiler below.

Spoiler:

Thank you for this. It only reinforces that I vastly prefer the FW one.

Chikout wrote:
Here's the foreword version without the Base. As you can see, he is about twice the height of a regular marine. Combined with the other picture it shows that the 40k and 30k version are of a very similar scale, but the new version has been bulked out a lot by the suit.
I am still not that keen on the sculpt, but any complaints about him being too big should be equally levied at the forgeworld primarchs.

Wait, it shows what-now? Ignore the direct height comparison and consider the posing and the individual elements of the bodies - Plastic Rowboat's greaves are nearly twice as long as Resin Rowboat, his thighs are a bit longer, and his torso is far bulkier. If you stood Plastic Rowboat upright in the same pose as the resin one he'd be almost half-again as tall.

And again, the FW Primarchs are properly scaled relative to humans, it's the normal Marine models that are the odd ones out.

So, no, complaints about size shouldn't be equally levied at the FW Primarchs, they're consistent with the current fluff and substantially smaller than Plastic Rowboat.

 Elbows wrote:
Simple: aesthetics are a personal thing.

Personally I think he looks horribly done, but that's something I see with more and more digital sculpts (where I believe the majority of people doing them probably have much less of a genuine art background and are simply good on the computer). To me the figure looks like someone just opened up a 3D program and threw a veritable bucket of details at a model with little consideration for the end result.

I'm not sure why differing opinions are difficult for people to contemplate. Of course the most common response is calling someone who disagrees with you a "hater" which is basically the level of retort of a four year old child - because the person would rather not debate/discuss or acknowledge differing opinions.

GW's been on a role lately, but I don't like everything they've done. I don't care for the recent Eldar triad or this Primarch...but I love almost all of their Tzeentch releases, etc. An opinion is not right, or wrong...it's just an opinion. The above Primarch screams "crank it from 11 to 13!" or what a Primarch might look like if you asked my nine year old nephew to design one.

A little bit about the digital stuff. In a recent interview Jes Goodwin said that anyone who wants a job at GW needs to show their skill with physical sculpting first. The theory being that you can then learn the cad stuff later.
As far a taste goes I agree. I love the recent Eldar stuff, I think the forgeworld Horus is much worse than this new Roboute, my wife really hates the new Celestine etc etc.

If you cannot post without insult other members then it's better you don't post at all.

 Thairne wrote:
I wonder if this time there will be some rules for DA in the book... There is a smidgeon of hope with Cypher appearing.
The Inner Circle will get NUTS and hunt that guy down. Again.

 TedNugent wrote:

 Thairne wrote:
I wonder if this time there will be some rules for DA in the book... There is a smidgeon of hope with Cypher appearing.
The Inner Circle will get NUTS and hunt that guy down. Again.

Spoiler:

They already met Cypher. And let him go. Multiple times.

That is why there is that little "again" at the end
I mean its just not like

I don't like the proportions on Guilliman.

Forgeworld models are far better. You can tell the difference in the level of respect they give to the subject matter apart from their mastery of craft. Seems like they're cranking this stuff out too fast without thinking. This is three decades in the making and neither the model nor the plot represent that.

I'm excited as everyone else is, but this is looking like Age of Sigmar.

 Elbows wrote:
Simple: aesthetics are a personal thing.

Personally I think he looks horribly done, but that's something I see with more and more digital sculpts (where I believe the majority of people doing them probably have much less of a genuine art background and are simply good on the computer). To me the figure looks like someone just opened up a 3D program and threw a veritable bucket of details at a model with little consideration for the end result.

I'm not sure why differing opinions are difficult for people to contemplate. Of course the most common response is calling someone who disagrees with you a "hater" which is basically the level of retort of a four year old child - because the person would rather not debate/discuss or acknowledge differing opinions.

GW's been on a role lately, but I don't like everything they've done. I don't care for the recent Eldar triad or this Primarch...but I love almost all of their Tzeentch releases, etc. An opinion is not right, or wrong...it's just an opinion. The above Primarch screams "crank it from 11 to 13!" or what a Primarch might look like if you asked my nine year old nephew to design one.

The 3D artist isn't the one designing the mini, that is a designers job. The 3D artist would have had art to work from.

 TedNugent wrote:
I don't like the proportions on Guilliman.

Forgeworld models are far better. You can tell the difference in the level of respect they give to the subject matter apart from their mastery of craft. Seems like they're cranking this stuff out too fast without thinking. This is three decades in the making and neither the model nor the plot represent that.

I'm excited as everyone else is, but this is looking like Age of Sigmar.

And you believe the sculptor of this doesn't have respect of the subject matter? If I was hired to sculpt for them I would dgaf about people bickering as 1 I am paid for talents and promote their vision 2 Get to bring something to/ breathe new life into things 3 Following concept art 4 much more talented than peers, or enough to have the job (as an art grad myself I believe that while people have opinions, their criticisms are not on the same level as someone who has also devoted credited education/ apprentice time in the same field)

GW has been firing on all cylinders.

Is that the Burning Blade relic?

Guilliman preferred using his gladius per the novels - ofc he has a gladius in both the Forgeworld model and rules.

I wonder if they gifted him the Burning Blade for his return.

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:


And you believe the sculptor of this doesn't have respect of the subject matter? If I was hired to sculpt for them I would dgaf about people bickering as 1 I am paid for talents and promote their vision 2 Get to bring something to/ breathe new life into things 3 Following concept art 4 much more talented than peers, or enough to have the job (as an art grad myself I believe that while people have opinions, their criticisms are not on the same level as someone who has also devoted credited education/ apprentice time in the same field)

GW has been firing on all cylinders.

Absolutely not, especially not in comparison to the Forgeworld sculptors.

First of all, it was clearly digitally drawn. It has no resemblance to the FW model. He isn't using a gladius. His face looks like it was stung by bees. The iconography and armor look like they were born out of 40k instead of being his traditional armor befitting of his personality descriptions in the novels. His pose is absurd and makes him look like an action figure, whereas he was dignified and poised like Julius Caesar in the FW model, again in line with his fluff and depictions in the HH novels. Where does the sword come from? The braziers and skulls are also out of place.

Watch this video and compare the sculptor's attitude:

 TedNugent wrote:
Is that the Burning Blade relic?

Guilliman preferred using his gladius per the novels - ofc he has a gladius in both the Forgeworld model and rules.

I wonder if they gifted him the Burning Blade for his return.

I heavily disagree with your opinion, since there's 10k of years between both models and we don't even know how much Cybernetics is under the hood, but concerning your qustions, warhammer-community tells us:

Roboute Guilliman returns to the Imperium after several millennia in stasis, resurrected by arcane Imperial artifice and fell xenos sorcery (which we’re pretty sure some in the Imperium are very much not ok with). His suit of armour is a marvel to behold – the pinnacle of power-armoured technology (courtesy of Belisarius Cawl) while his blade is no less than one of the blazing swords once carried by the Emperor of Mankind himself. Crowning his armour is a celestial halo, an obvious symbol of the Emperor’s blessing, perhaps gifted by some other hero of the Imperium..

His armor was made by Cawl, so yes, it's 40k. It has a life support under the hood. He doesn't have his gladius since, hey, here's one of your father's swords. His armor even bears the Celestine's Halo. Yes, this is 40k's RB, since, well, we are in 40k and the plot advanced and it's no longer the pretty faced 30k's RB.

 TedNugent wrote:
Is that the Burning Blade relic?

Yes. Though, the big E supposedly had a few of them during the Heresy.

Also, it looks like he might have Primarch's Wrath as well. It was in Guilliman's personal armoury.

I would like to see a paintjob that isn't 50% gold. He looks busy because the paintjob emphasises all the filigree and nonsense.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:
Is that the Burning Blade relic?

Yes. Though, the big E supposedly had a few of them during the Heresy.

Also, it looks like he might have Primarch's Wrath as well. It was in Guilliman's personal armoury.

What doesn't everyone have a closet full of 2000 degree burning blades?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
[the big E supposedly had a few of them during the Heresy.

How do you figure?

 TedNugent wrote:
Is that the Burning Blade relic?

Guilliman preferred using his gladius per the novels - ofc he has a gladius in both the Forgeworld model and rules.

I wonder if they gifted him the Burning Blade for his return.

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:


And you believe the sculptor of this doesn't have respect of the subject matter? If I was hired to sculpt for them I would dgaf about people bickering as 1 I am paid for talents and promote their vision 2 Get to bring something to/ breathe new life into things 3 Following concept art 4 much more talented than peers, or enough to have the job (as an art grad myself I believe that while people have opinions, their criticisms are not on the same level as someone who has also devoted credited education/ apprentice time in the same field)

GW has been firing on all cylinders.

Absolutely not, especially not in comparison to the Forgeworld sculptors.

First of all, it was clearly digitally drawn. It has no resemblance to the FW model. He isn't using a gladius. His face looks like it was stung by bees. The iconography and armor look like they were born out of 40k instead of being his traditional armor befitting of his personality descriptions in the novels. His pose is absurd and makes him look like an action figure, whereas he was dignified and poised like Julius Caesar in the FW model, again in line with his fluff and depictions in the HH novels. Where does the sword come from? The braziers and skulls are also out of place.

Watch this video and compare the sculptor's attitude:

The forgeworld one is pretty bland. If I had to categorize I'd say GW+Helm>FW>>>>>>GW without helm. But that's me.

 Desubot wrote:

What doesn't everyone have a closet full of 2000 degree burning blades?

I suspect every godlike immortal superbeing that commands a galactic empire does.

 TedNugent wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
[the big E supposedly had a few of them during the Heresy.

How do you figure?

He would be foolish not to have more than one.
Also have a variety of weapons to choose from.

One can still claim that Kaldor Draigo is more powerful than Roboute?

its going to be interesting to see if the Gray Knights yeild to Roboute's command

LightKing wrote:
One can still claim that Kaldor Draigo is more powerful than Roboute?

its going to be interesting to see if the Gray Knights yeild to Roboute's command

Dunno... but if Draigo is powerful enough to tag a daemon primarch's heart with his initials then maybe he could remove some of Guilliman's filigree that is so excessive it would make Fulgrim blush.