The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17

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**TheDraconicLord**

reds8n wrote:
ref :

http://www.blacklibrary.com/whats-coming-soon/march/smb-eye-of-ezekiel-ebook.html

via twitter :

. hmmm .....

Ezekiel knows about the Lion, Cypher is there, and there's actual interaction between him and the Lion and possibility of his "awakening" soon?

Spoiler:

I LOVE PLOT ADVANCEMENT!

**reds8n**

..maybe..

One wonders if maybe Ezekiel is possibly seeing a vision of what happened in the past ?

**TheDraconicLord**

That could be the moment Cypher was given his mysterious mission, the one concerning the Lion's Blade

God-Emperor damn it, 2017 is being THE 40k year.

**Crazyterran**

LightKing wrote:
has there been any spoilers in how Calgar reacts to Roboute's return?

Would Roboute become Chapter Master, bumping Marneus to First Captain?

I wonder if they are going to kill off Agammen, or something.,.

Though i expect a lot of no named Ultramarine characters are going to die, and i dont see Cassius or Tigurius in the previews they showed.

**insaniak**

Looky Likey wrote:
I thought he was like Magnus, able to alter his size at will? Although some of the Primarchs saw him differently from the others, as a normal human if I remember correctly?

I don't think there's anything that says he actually changes size, although there was one story (the one about the last church on Terra) that made it seem more like he just appears to change size. It refers to him looking like a regular human, but stuff happening (chairs creaking when he sits down, and the like) that suggest that he's actually bigger than he appears.

**H.B.M.C.**

reds8n wrote:
One wonders if maybe Ezekiel is possibly seeing a vision of what happened in the past ?

I think that's what's implied. And I think the full text will make it explicit.

**Matt.Kingsley**

Aye, especially with the bit at the end about a Daemon 'ruining the moment'.
No doubt the Daemon is showing him the vision of the past.

**eedden**

Yodhrin wrote:
eedden wrote:
Vorian wrote:
Elbows wrote:
Simple: aesthetics are a personal thing.

Personally I think he looks horribly done, but that's something I see with more and more digital sculpts (where I believe the majority of people doing them probably have much less of a genuine art background and are simply good on the computer). To me the figure looks like someone just opened up a 3D program and threw a veritable bucket of details at a model with little consideration for the end result.

I'm not sure why differing opinions are difficult for people to contemplate. Of course the most common response is calling someone who disagrees with you a "hater" which is basically the level of retort of a four year old child - because the person would rather not debate/discuss or acknowledge differing opinions.

GW's been on a role lately, but I don't like everything they've done. I don't care for the recent Eldar triad or this Primarch...but I love almost all of their Tzeentch releases, etc. An opinion is not right, or wrong...it's just an opinion. The above Primarch screams "crank it from 11 to 13!" or what a Primarch might look like if you asked my nine year old nephew to design one.

I think the problem is more that people state their opinions as of they are facts. As of you looking something is factually incorrect and you're an idiot for doing so.

Look at the long lists of people dissecting RG as if they are fine art critics dissecting a masterpiece.

If you mock something someone likes, often without basis, you're going to irritate them. Look at your last line, you don't like it but you have decided to insinuate that it's designed by a 9 yr old, that it's cranked from 11 to 13! ... that's why people get irritated and the discussion descends into the schoolyard.

For the record I think the proportions look off too, I'm sure it will have some kind of reasoning with it being a supporting thing but it isn't my cup of tea - so it's not just that I'm calling you a hater because you criticised my Primarch of choice

This, and the fact that this happens with every model released.

You mean people have opinions about every single release? No, that can't be right, surely everyone is only allowed to have one or at most two opinions a year. Letting everyone have an opinion about everything would just be lunacy.

No, I mean that there are condescending jerks, that belittle others for their opinion. On every release and on other occasions.

**reds8n**

I think we can just accept that people will have different opinions, even when it comes to toy soldiers, and move on from this tangent.

Further posts continuing this side trek will be treated as spam.

**Alpharius**

reds8n wrote:
..maybe..

One wonders if maybe Ezekiel is possibly seeing a vision of what happened in the past ?

Oh great, another Chaos Daemon tainted 'vision' that will be taken as "gospel"!

(OK, OK, I'll wait to know for certain before going too crazy/nuts/off the rails!

**Mr Morden**

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
LightKing wrote:
I want to know something guys

will Roboute have authority over the other chapters

for example would Blood Angels listen to him over Dante?

They will all listen and obey their spiritual liege.

You are assuming that Dante would disagree....there is a good chance that he, like any other citzien of the Imperium, high or low, would at the very least respect and consider the words of a Primarch

**PhillyT**

Crazyterran wrote:
LightKing wrote:
has there been any spoilers in how Calgar reacts to Roboute's return?

Would Roboute become Chapter Master, bumping Marneus to First Captain?

I wonder if they are going to kill off Agammen, or something.,.

Though i expect a lot of no named Ultramarine characters are going to die, and i dont see Cassius or Tigurius in the previews they showed.

I think Roboute will have far bigger things to concern himself with than being chapter master of the UM. Most likely he is going to reform the legions to a degree. I think he is going to become the defacto commander of as many imperial forces as he can get his hands on.

**Albino Squirrel**

I always thought that how people saw the emperor was just a psychic projection, and he was really just a shriveled old man, but a very powerful psyker. Now I wonder if he's just a very powerful daemon.

**Alpharius**

I definitely do NOT see Guilliman reforming the Legions!

HE is the one that broke them up, after the disaster that was the Horus Heresy.

**sfshilo**

Crazyterran wrote:
LightKing wrote:
has there been any spoilers in how Calgar reacts to Roboute's return?

Would Roboute become Chapter Master, bumping Marneus to First Captain?

I wonder if they are going to kill off Agammen, or something.,.

Though i expect a lot of no named Ultramarine characters are going to die, and i dont see Cassius or Tigurius in the previews they showed.

He is totally bringing back the ultramarines LEGION.

This is setting up for a civil war, the Imperium is trash at the moment.

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Red Corsair wrote:
Funny looking at that classic depiction of the Emperor Sanguinius and Horus. None of them are really 3 and a half times larger the then marines in the room. I mean if the big E is only marginally larger then a marine why is RG SOOOOO fething huge?

What are you talking about? In that picture the big E is like 1/3 larger then the marine next to him. Horus is nearly twice as large......

Primarchs have and continue to be UGE. You are thinking back to RT fluff which is been dead from a fluff standpoint for some time....

**Fenrir Kitsune**

sfshilo wrote:

What are you talking about? In that picture the big E is like 1/3 larger then the marine next to him. Horus is nearly twice as large.........

That's just perspective.

**Bulldogging**

Alpharius wrote:
I definitely do NOT see Guilliman reforming the Legions!

HE is the one that broke them up, after the disaster that was the Horus Heresy.

Yeah I don't see Roboute admitting he fethed up.

But then again this is the Ultramarines, his rerolling 2+plot armor save will protect his decisions.

I am surprised at the odd miniature pose and looks though, especially after how amazing Magnus looks. Definitely looking forward to seeing the Lion though.

**Red Corsair**

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
sfshilo wrote:

What are you talking about? In that picture the big E is like 1/3 larger then the marine next to him. Horus is nearly twice as large.........

That's just perspective.

I swear a solid half of dakkanaughts don't know what perspective even is.

Back on topic, I am betting RG consolidates all the marines similar to what just happened with the eldar.

**Kriswall**

Bulldogging wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
I definitely do NOT see Guilliman reforming the Legions!

HE is the one that broke them up, after the disaster that was the Horus Heresy.

Yeah I don't see Roboute admitting he fethed up.

But then again this is the Ultramarines, his rerolling 2+plot armor save will protect his decisions.

I am surprised at the odd miniature pose and looks though, especially after how amazing Magnus looks. Definitely looking forward to seeing the Lion though.

Miniature looks are always going to be a personal value decision. I actually really didn't like the Magnus model at all. I really like the plastic Roboute. To each his own.

**Red Corsair**

Bulldogging wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
I definitely do NOT see Guilliman reforming the Legions!

HE is the one that broke them up, after the disaster that was the Horus Heresy.

Yeah I don't see Roboute admitting he fethed up.

But then again this is the Ultramarines, his rerolling 2+plot armor save will protect his decisions.

I am surprised at the odd miniature pose and looks though, especially after how amazing Magnus looks. Definitely looking forward to seeing the Lion though.

The Lion is my favorite loyalist primarch, I have to admit I am excited to see him from either GW or FW

**PhillyT**

Alpharius wrote:
I definitely do NOT see Guilliman reforming the Legions!

HE is the one that broke them up, after the disaster that was the Horus Heresy.

You don't think he is going to consolidate power under his command?

I think thats the entire point. He is going to pull Space Marine forces under his command. He won't reform the actual, original legions (that wouldn't be good fluffwise or in terms of GW selling models with variety) but he will certainly be commanding far more than just the Ul;tramarines going forward.

**streetsamurai**

Red Corsair wrote:
Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
sfshilo wrote:

What are you talking about? In that picture the big E is like 1/3 larger then the marine next to him. Horus is nearly twice as large.........

That's just perspective.

I swear a solid half of dakkanaughts don't know what perspective even is.

Yeah, that's beyond sad. I mean, comprehending prespective is not exactly as hard as comprehending rocket physic

**Alpharius**

PhillyT wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
I definitely do NOT see Guilliman reforming the Legions!

HE is the one that broke them up, after the disaster that was the Horus Heresy.

You don't think he is going to consolidate power under his command?

I think thats the entire point. He is going to pull Space Marine forces under his command. He won't reform the actual, original legions (that wouldn't be good fluffwise or in terms of GW selling models with variety) but he will certainly be commanding far more than just the Ul;tramarines going forward.

Sure, he might be 'the general in charge' and maybe even one of the High Lords (which would be one way to get him off the stage without killing him/putting him pack in stasis - turn him into a bureaucrat!

), but he won't be the only one making the decisions, especially when it comes to the Space Marines.

And especially when another Primarch (or two?) returns as well...

**casvalremdeikun**

Red Corsair wrote:
Bulldogging wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
I definitely do NOT see Guilliman reforming the Legions!

HE is the one that broke them up, after the disaster that was the Horus Heresy.

Yeah I don't see Roboute admitting he fethed up.

But then again this is the Ultramarines, his rerolling 2+plot armor save will protect his decisions.

I am surprised at the odd miniature pose and looks though, especially after how amazing Magnus looks. Definitely looking forward to seeing the Lion though.

The Lion is my favorite loyalist primarch, I have to admit I am excited to see him from either GW or FW

About that...

The Lion and Dorn are my favorites. I really like that most of the issues that those legions suffered from was caused by their primarchs being unable to relate to other people. The Lion's isolation and how it shaped him and his legion is really cool.

Anyway, I really hope they DON'T spoil the Cypher mystery.

Spoiler:

**TheoreticalFish**

My Stupid fan theory is that Robitussin Gingervitus takes one look at the bloated, hypocritical Imperium and goes "Nope".

Gathers all the Astartes (Or maybe just the founding chapters), runs off and starts Imperium Secondus. Civil War II! If Marvel can do it, so can we.

That leaves the Imperial Guard, Sisters, Black Templars and Custodes defending Imperium Primaris.

Severely weakened Imperium, leads to Orks, Tyranids, Tau being more involved and taking advantage.

Fun fun fun

**SarisKhan**

I've been thinking of a possibility of Imperium Secundus: Electric Boogaloo as well. Robuto Gojiramon sure would feel out of place in the current, fanatically religious Imperium. Actually, even his own gene-sons aren't exactly as he left them...

**H.B.M.C.**

TheoreticalFish wrote:
... Robotusen Gingervitus...

Come on... really? I mean that doesn't even make sense.

**Crimson**

Albino Squirrel wrote:
I always thought that how people saw the emperor was just a psychic projection, and he was really just a shriveled old man, but a very powerful psyker.

Yeah, that's way cooler than him actually being a silly giant.

**ProtoClone**

SarisKhan wrote:
I've been thinking of a possibility of Imperium Secundus: Electric Boogaloo as well. Robuto Gojiramon sure would feel out of place in the current, fanatically religious Imperium. Actually, even his own gene-sons aren't exactly as he left them...

I honestly don't see RG lasting long.

Everything about RG represents everything the emperor wanted his empire becoming. The longer RG is alive the more of a destabilizing threat he becomes and the High Lords can't have their empire falling.

**PhillyT**

I think you're wrong there. Robert is sticking around. If anything, more primarchs will be arriving though I think thats quite a long way off.