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Angels of Caliban has some good stuff in it about the differences between the two Primarchs. The Lion is all about fixing the problem in a absolutely direct path that solves it, and he doesn't have a problem using anything at his hands to solve it. (Kind of a Radical point point of view). To Guilliman you have to solve the problem in the right way, or why did you even fight.

The Lion would say that that he cares whether the War is won, don't ask him about the means used.

So we know who's involves, have we had any leaks yet about the overarching plot?

Gotta love how people are still butthurt about Matt Ward.

I mean, he did kinda destroy the fluff of whatever he touched, and then fan boi'd over his most favorite.

 fox-light713 wrote:

Alcibiades wrote:
Most codexes are written better than most Black Library books, in my opinion. Those are usually horrible.

I"m guessing you've only read the CS goto books.

No, but I'm not going to start criticizing other people's literary taste.

Rule #2 is "Stay On Topic".

More "The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch", less overall general BL/GW/FW Literary Criticism please.

Feel free to start a topic on that in the appropriate sub-forum if you'd like though...

So when is Rise of the Primarch featuring in white dwarf? March?

I'm still adjusting to this new GW. Actually previewing and hyping up releases months in advance. I keep popping into Tescos and wondering why the latest issue with the primarch isnt out yet.

Sirius42 wrote:So we know who's involves, have we had any leaks yet about the overarching plot?

Cypher kills Abadon and 8th edition will be called Age of the Emperor is a new rumour I read today.

Davor wrote:

Sirius42 wrote:So we know who's involves, have we had any leaks yet about the overarching plot?

Cypher kills Abadon and 8th edition will be called Age of the Emperor is a new rumour I read today.

Please not start this again - without actual, verifiable proof of this, that line of posting will be considered trolling and treated as such.

BrianDavion wrote:


yeah even as a guy with an Ultramarines and Grey Knights army, with no partiuclar intreast in the dark angels. Cypher strikes me as the real "INTREEEEEEESTING" part here.

I've read whatever Cypher stuff I could easily find. He seems just like a stock plot deus ex machina.

But that does ofc mean whatever he does do will be huge.

 Alpharius wrote:

Davor wrote:

Sirius42 wrote:So we know who's involves, have we had any leaks yet about the overarching plot?

Cypher kills Abadon and 8th edition will be called Age of the Emperor is a new rumour I read today.

Please not start this again - without actual, verifiable proof of this, that line of posting will be considered trolling and treated as such.

I read it today on Ntfka site. I didn't list the name because now we are just going to get a bunch of posts on saying how that site is not reliable. So no I am not trolling. http://natfka.blogspot.ca/2017/02/warhammer-40k-8th-edition-will-change.html here is the link.

I think it's less that it spam, more "take the rumor with a bucket of salt until a reliable source confirms it"

Alcibiades wrote:
Most codexes are written better than most Black Library books, in my opinion. Those are usually horrible.

Phil Kelly was great in the 4th ed Ork codex, but the most recent codexes are also awful.

The Black Library HH stuff is truly epic grade tripe.

Do we start now our own Version of 40k or should we jump to WP FireFight?

Davor wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

Davor wrote:

Sirius42 wrote:So we know who's involves, have we had any leaks yet about the overarching plot?

Cypher kills Abadon and 8th edition will be called Age of the Emperor is a new rumour I read today.

Please not start this again - without actual, verifiable proof of this, that line of posting will be considered trolling and treated as such.

I read it today on Ntfka site. I didn't list the name because now we are just going to get a bunch of posts on saying how that site is not reliable. So no I am not trolling. http://natfka.blogspot.ca/2017/02/warhammer-40k-8th-edition-will-change.html here is the link.

Perhaps if you read it on an unreliable site, you shouldnt repost it in the first place

 TedNugent wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:


yeah even as a guy with an Ultramarines and Grey Knights army, with no partiuclar intreast in the dark angels. Cypher strikes me as the real "INTREEEEEEESTING" part here.

I've read whatever Cypher stuff I could easily find. He seems just like a stock plot deus ex machina.

But that does ofc mean whatever he does do will be huge.

Yeah he seems to be a walking get of jail free card for the writers, if they want to maintain the status quo cypher can kill whover wins abbadon't or Robot Girlyman.
They want to massively shake things up then again whoever wins imp or chaos cypher can kill the emperor causing him to be reborn and starting a new age where the emperor can screw with the victor.
They can use him to stir drama with the 9th traitor legion and the worst kept secret in 40k.
So on and so forth.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

Perhaps if you read it on an unreliable site, you shouldnt repost it in the first place

I consider it reliable or take the site for what it is, gathers rumours. I just know a few people get upset on here when ever that name or BoLS gets mentioned. I didn't want people chiming in about that. Didn't want to read posts on how bunk those sites are.

*edit*

I didn't see it as a problem. Someone asked a question if there were rumours of new fluff coming out. I answered what I read today. What is wrong in trying to help someone by answering their question? It was the first time I read the "Age of Emperor" actually being used as a title. Someone asked for rumours, I just mentioned what I read today. No foul was ment at all.

 kodos wrote:
Do we start now our own Version of 40k or should we jump to WP FireFight?

It's naftka we are talking about. I bet anyone ten euros that this is a troll post.

I ment no troll post at all Lord Kragan or do you mean Ntfka was trolling?

Davor wrote:
I ment no troll post at all Lord Kragan or do you mean Ntfka was trolling?

No no, I meant Naftka. I think this someone trying to make fun of people. Age of the Emperor has always been a community meme and it's just too much coincidence that they went and "named" the new edition with a name with such a malus on it.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 kodos wrote:
Do we start now our own Version of 40k or should we jump to WP FireFight?

It's naftka we are talking about. I bet anyone ten euros that this is a troll post.

it is not funny anymore, because the same was said after round bases for fantasy were announced

actually I don't really care if it is true, 8th won't getting better and I will skip it anyway
question is just, if GW kill it instandly there is a chance to make a fan based rule set, if they do it not WP is the only alternative

SeanDrake wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:


yeah even as a guy with an Ultramarines and Grey Knights army, with no partiuclar intreast in the dark angels. Cypher strikes me as the real "INTREEEEEEESTING" part here.

I've read whatever Cypher stuff I could easily find. He seems just like a stock plot deus ex machina.

But that does ofc mean whatever he does do will be huge.

Yeah he seems to be a walking get of jail free card for the writers, if they want to maintain the status quo cypher can kill whover wins abbadon't or Robot Girlyman.
They want to massively shake things up then again whoever wins imp or chaos cypher can kill the emperor causing him to be reborn and starting a new age where the emperor can screw with the victor.
They can use him to stir drama with the 9th traitor legion and the worst kept secret in 40k.
So on and so forth.

Him killing some major character is not what I'm referring to.

He is going to be the fulcrum for whatever comes next.

Basically his past lore involves him roaming around the universe, jumping in and out of time potholes and snatching unusual things. Whatever he is doing involves 10,000 years, an obscure secret objective, and a lot of silly mysteries.

One example is him showing up and leaving the lion helm and sword of secrets in an accessible location for the DA to access. He also is carrying a sword on his back of unclear but obvious importance. I'm thinking he is related to either another Primarch coming back, or some kind of revelation related to the Imperium. Obviously he convinces Guilliman to take him to Terra, and he also convinced Asmodai to let him go, so whatever he knows is going to be cataclysmic.

Davor wrote:


I consider it reliable or take the site for what it is, gathers rumours. I just know a few people get upset on here when ever that name or BoLS gets mentioned. I didn't want people chiming in about that. Didn't want to read posts on how bunk those sites are.

Yet, here we are.

Know why?

Natfka on Faeit 212 - Total rumors: (420 TRUE) / (858 FALSE) / (78 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - Updated 1/10/2017

That's barely a 30% accuracy rate, without accounting for how many of that 420 were self evident, easily predicted or simple luck.

You'll notice Alpharius' warning calls for actual, verifiable proof. Let me give you a little lesson in sources (because god knows if you put any stock in Natfka you need it) the article you link to has no citation, no quotation and is authored by nobody with any inherent authority. It has zero value as anything other than an opinion piece, with the extra cherry of sounding plausible just to sucker in those extra few people.

No wonder "fake news" is getting so much traction when the populace at large is so willing to accept such insubstantial rubbish at face value. Try and be slightly less credulous, and look at the quality of the source before thoughtlessly regurgitating it and muddying the waters with worthless non-info.

 kodos wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 kodos wrote:
Do we start now our own Version of 40k or should we jump to WP FireFight?

It's naftka we are talking about. I bet anyone ten euros that this is a troll post.

it is not funny anymore, because the same was said after round bases for fantasy were announced

actually I don't really care if it is true, 8th won't getting better and I will skip it anyway
question is just, if GW kill it instandly there is a chance to make a fan based rule set, if they do it not WP is the only alternative

So you've seen 8th edition already? Please tell us what changes are in it.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 kodos wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 kodos wrote:
Do we start now our own Version of 40k or should we jump to WP FireFight?

It's naftka we are talking about. I bet anyone ten euros that this is a troll post.

it is not funny anymore, because the same was said after round bases for fantasy were announced

actually I don't really care if it is true, 8th won't getting better and I will skip it anyway
question is just, if GW kill it instandly there is a chance to make a fan based rule set, if they do it not WP is the only alternative

So you've seen 8th edition already? Please tell us what changes are in it.

Bad ones only bad things can come from the future. The past was always better lol

When ever you join tends to be close to if not exactly perfect. Then as things move farther away from said time frame things get worse for you. So no matter what changes atleast 50% will be pissed.

Back to topic. Is this the last book or is there going to be more The Gathering Storm books? I thought it was a trilogy. The White Dwarf magazine makes it like there could be more.

Do we know for sure this is the ending of a trilogy or just a continuation as the WD seems to suggests when it says "continues"? n

White Dwarf really doesn't make it sound like there could be more.

The Gathering Storm is a trilogy. We've gotten two of the three books. The final book ("Rise of the Primarch") is in March.

Davor wrote:
Back to topic. Is this the last book or is there going to be more The Gathering Storm books? I thought it was a trilogy. The White Dwarf magazine makes it like there could be more.

Do we know for sure this is the ending of a trilogy or just a continuation as the WD seems to suggests when it says "continues"? n

I'm still guessing its the end of a trilogy that leads into another trilogy that leads into 8th

Thank you Kanluwen and Digclaw. Just wanted to make sure.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

So you've seen 8th edition already?.

I don't need to see it to make this conclusion
Been with the game since the 3rd Edition and it was getting worse with each one

Main reason is because of the style how GW make new Editions, Copy&Paste old rules, change some stuff that sounds cool, set a design goal for the first new faction book and change the design goal after 6 months
nothing will change, because GW never tried to make an edition better than the last one, just different

and if the system get the necessary reboot, we will get an AoS like system, which means and below average rule set (and AoS is not bad, there are just better fantasy skirmish systems out there)

Maybe this is your first Edition change in 40k, than it is ok to think it will be better, but after you have seen 3 of them you will know that they just don't care about rules or how to improve gameplay