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**Cosmic**

My WD came through the post earlier... fantastic read, lovely pictures! The last issue on the shelf was from six years ago - so much has changed since then! Glad to be back

**Nevelon**

oni wrote:
Not related... But I see plastic Ultramarines Honour Guard in our future.

Source?

I’d be all over that like ugly on an ape, but haven’t seen anything that suggests it. I’d take a blurry pic or a friend of a friend reference.

You can never have to many honor guard.

**endlesswaltz123**

Azreal13 wrote:
Which would be a perfectly reasonable stance to take with any user that displays what someone else finds annoying habits, if the problem user hadn't already been publicly asked by legitimate moderators to curb the behaviour, publicly apologised, then carried right on with the same behaviour.

For months.

What you may see as bullying is, at this point, simply people reaching the limits of their patience having attempted to be polite in the first instance, and while you're quite correct that young people may be using the board, users that have been registered since 2012 can only be so young, and can certainly be old enough to moderate their behaviour when explicitly asked to do so.

But this is all off topic...

When it was mentioned you don't know the persons background, they may mean that they are talking about people potentially with learning difficulties, who don't actually realise they are being annoying to you.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Nevelon wrote:
oni wrote:
Not related... But I see plastic Ultramarines Honour Guard in our future.

Source?

I’d be all over that like ugly on an ape, but haven’t seen anything that suggests it. I’d take a blurry pic or a friend of a friend reference.

You can never have to many honor guard.

Sounded more like a prediction than an actual Rumour.

**Azreal13**

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Azreal13 wrote:
Which would be a perfectly reasonable stance to take with any user that displays what someone else finds annoying habits, if the problem user hadn't already been publicly asked by legitimate moderators to curb the behaviour, publicly apologised, then carried right on with the same behaviour.

For months.

What you may see as bullying is, at this point, simply people reaching the limits of their patience having attempted to be polite in the first instance, and while you're quite correct that young people may be using the board, users that have been registered since 2012 can only be so young, and can certainly be old enough to moderate their behaviour when explicitly asked to do so.

But this is all off topic...

When it was mentioned you don't know the persons background, they may mean that they are talking about people potentially with learning difficulties, who don't actually realise they are being annoying to you.

It's a historic problem going back some time, and it has been explained to the user that there's an issue on multiple occasions by multiple users in multiple threads (including moderators.)

The Venn diagram that shows a group of people with difficulties that are competent enough to do something as considered as write a post on an Internet forum, not something that just happens spontaneously like it may do verbally, is able to write and spell fairly coherently while keeping what they post loosely on topic and acknowledge and apologise when they're informed their behaviour isn't necessarily what is expected and still be compelled to keep doing it is going to have a really small overlap. So small that the balance of probability suggests that probably isn't the reason.

If Lightking does indeed inhabit such a unique set of criteria, then, rather than simply apologise and keep doing it, then I think they should contact the mod team privately so they can take steps to allow everyone to coexist.

But this is all off topic...

**unmercifulconker**

When ya had a reaaaaaally

day in work followed my train cancellations whilst in freezing weather and you ready to burst a fuse and you see the WD packaging waiting for you at the door........

Aaannnnndd....relax.

**Lord Kragan**

https://regimental-standard.com/2017/03/01/heroic-saviour-didnt-even-need-to-use-his-sword/

Regimental standard speaks of Cypher.

Also, seeing as guilliman can't take off his armor, I'd bet Alpahrius' ass that they just went and sawed off the head and placed it into a robot body, like Futurama's Nixon. Also, Celestine sounds like a rabid fangirl.

This would go like follows:

guilliman wakes up

"Salutes, my liege, I'm Marneus Calgar, your chapter master!"

"We are being attacked, it seems."

"It pains me to say so, my liege... the fell forces of chaos are assaulting our stronghold."

"Oh Guilliman, you are a gift to all mankind."

"Um, yes, as you say... now really we need to make haste and head for-"

"Here, have this Iron Halo. If only it could match your majesty."

"Right, thank you most kindly... Calgar, who is this woman?"

"She's saint celestine, an imperial saint, but that doesn't matter now. Action matters. My liege, I hope you're feeling confortable in your cyborg body, because we had to burn the original."

"You did WHAT!?

**Desubot**

So when was cypher and girlyman coming out? i really wana take a gander at cyphers sprue like really badly.

**LightKing**

Lord Kragan wrote:
https://regimental-standard.com/2017/03/01/heroic-saviour-didnt-even-need-to-use-his-sword/

Regimental standard speaks of Cypher.

Also, seeing as guilliman can't take off his armor, I'd bet Alpahrius' ass that they just went and sawed off the head and placed it into a robot body, like Futurama's Nixon. Also, Celestine sounds like a rabid fangirl.

This would go like follows:

guilliman wakes up

"Salutes, my liege, I'm Marneus Calgar, your chapter master!"

"We are being attacked, it seems."

"It pains me to say so, my liege... the fell forces of chaos are assaulting our stronghold."

"Oh Guilliman, you are a gift to all mankind."

"Um, yes, as you say... now really we need to make haste and head for-"

"Here, have this Iron Halo. If only it could match your majesty."

"Right, thank you most kindly... Calgar, who is this woman?"

"She's saint celestine, an imperial saint, but that doesn't matter now. Action matters. My liege, I hope you're feeling confortable in your cyborg body, because we had to burn the original."

"You did WHAT!?

is Regimental Standard run by GW or is it a fan site?

**Lord Kragan**

LightKing wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
https://regimental-standard.com/2017/03/01/heroic-saviour-didnt-even-need-to-use-his-sword/

Regimental standard speaks of Cypher.

Also, seeing as guilliman can't take off his armor, I'd bet Alpahrius' ass that they just went and sawed off the head and placed it into a robot body, like Futurama's Nixon. Also, Celestine sounds like a rabid fangirl.

This would go like follows:

guilliman wakes up

"Salutes, my liege, I'm Marneus Calgar, your chapter master!"

"We are being attacked, it seems."

"It pains me to say so, my liege... the fell forces of chaos are assaulting our stronghold."

"Oh Guilliman, you are a gift to all mankind."

"Um, yes, as you say... now really we need to make haste and head for-"

"Here, have this Iron Halo. If only it could match your majesty."

"Right, thank you most kindly... Calgar, who is this woman?"

"She's saint celestine, an imperial saint, but that doesn't matter now. Action matters. My liege, I hope you're feeling confortable in your cyborg body, because we had to burn the original."

"You did WHAT!?

is Regimental Standard run by GW or is it a fan site?

Lightking's next question: are people mean to me or am I making myself a target?

**Grimskul**

LightKing wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
https://regimental-standard.com/2017/03/01/heroic-saviour-didnt-even-need-to-use-his-sword/

Regimental standard speaks of Cypher.

Also, seeing as guilliman can't take off his armor, I'd bet Alpahrius' ass that they just went and sawed off the head and placed it into a robot body, like Futurama's Nixon. Also, Celestine sounds like a rabid fangirl.

This would go like follows:

guilliman wakes up

"Salutes, my liege, I'm Marneus Calgar, your chapter master!"

"We are being attacked, it seems."

"It pains me to say so, my liege... the fell forces of chaos are assaulting our stronghold."

"Oh Guilliman, you are a gift to all mankind."

"Um, yes, as you say... now really we need to make haste and head for-"

"Here, have this Iron Halo. If only it could match your majesty."

"Right, thank you most kindly... Calgar, who is this woman?"

"She's saint celestine, an imperial saint, but that doesn't matter now. Action matters. My liege, I hope you're feeling confortable in your cyborg body, because we had to burn the original."

"You did WHAT!?

is Regimental Standard run by GW or is it a fan site?

If you click on the link and the part where it says "Legal Stuff" it tells you explicitly it is an official Game Workshop community site. You should really take some of the advice people have told you to heart and do your research before asking easily answered questions.

**casvalremdeikun**

oni wrote:
Not related... But I see plastic Ultramarines Honour Guard in our future.

I would be okay with plastic Honour Guard if they weren't Chapter exclusive. Also, if they did that, they would need to make a plastic Calgar since his model comes with the Honour Guard.

**LightKing**

Grimskul wrote:
LightKing wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
https://regimental-standard.com/2017/03/01/heroic-saviour-didnt-even-need-to-use-his-sword/

Regimental standard speaks of Cypher.

Also, seeing as guilliman can't take off his armor, I'd bet Alpahrius' ass that they just went and sawed off the head and placed it into a robot body, like Futurama's Nixon. Also, Celestine sounds like a rabid fangirl.

This would go like follows:

guilliman wakes up

"Salutes, my liege, I'm Marneus Calgar, your chapter master!"

"We are being attacked, it seems."

"It pains me to say so, my liege... the fell forces of chaos are assaulting our stronghold."

"Oh Guilliman, you are a gift to all mankind."

"Um, yes, as you say... now really we need to make haste and head for-"

"Here, have this Iron Halo. If only it could match your majesty."

"Right, thank you most kindly... Calgar, who is this woman?"

"She's saint celestine, an imperial saint, but that doesn't matter now. Action matters. My liege, I hope you're feeling confortable in your cyborg body, because we had to burn the original."

"You did WHAT!?

is Regimental Standard run by GW or is it a fan site?

If you click on the link and the part where it says "Legal Stuff" it tells you explicitly it is an official Game Workshop community site. You should really take some of the advice people have told you to heart and do your research before asking easily answered questions.

it wasn't linking to the website, sorry

look, I tend to ask alot of questions "trivial" or not because i am interested in learning more, I don't need the armchair psychologists

if a MOD pm me's that I should stop asking these questions and take it down a notch, I WILL

but as for other people, if you don't like the question, don't respond

simple as that really

**Rayvon**

LightKing wrote:

look, I tend to ask alot of questions "trivial" or not because i am interested in learning more, I don't need the armchair psychologists

if a MOD pm me's that I should stop asking these questions and take it down a notch, I WILL

but as for other people, if you don't like the question, don't respond

simple as that really

This is not really a thread for asking questions mate, thats why people are getting miffed off.

Try here

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/show/31.page

or here

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/show/69.page

**The Observer**

People are also getting pretty miffed because the questions asked are usually of such a trivial nature that 5 minutes of googling and 2 minutes of reading comprehension could solve them. If one wants to learn the basics of the setting, then the wh40k wikia and Lexicanum, apart from the rulebooks that is, are the first place to go.

**LightKing**

fair enough, i won't ask fluff questions on this thread anymore unless their about specifics of the release

**Azreal13**

LightKing wrote:

look, I tend to ask alot of questions "trivial" or not because i am interested in learning more, I don't need the armchair psychologists

if a MOD pm me's that I should stop asking these questions and take it down a notch, I WILL

but as for other people, if you don't like the question, don't respond

simple as that really

Let me quote myself from November...

Perhaps if you're struggling to understand stuff, try

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

Rather than asking a lot of what are fundamentally lore and background questions in News and Rumours.

You will likely not receive "a PM from a Mod," I've personally seen at least 2 in thread warnings to keep things on topic and not persistently ask tangentially related questions, which if not specifically aimed at you, could have only applied to you, Alpharius' last comment ITT can only be seen as confirmation the moderators are aware of your behaviour and are discouraging people from indulging you, and why do that if it's a desirable way to conduct yourself?

IME I'd say you're probably on the path towards sanctions for being persistently off topic, and as your comment about "armchair psychologists" seems to suggest you don't feel that there's any underlying reason that compels you to act the way you have been, I'd suggest you stop now for the sake of your own account if nothing else?

**Manchu**

LightKing wrote:
fair enough, i won't ask fluff questions on this thread anymore unless their about specifics of the release

Thanks! You will likely get better and more answers to fluff questions if you ask in the 40k Background section.

FYI - please just hit the mod alert button if you feel someone is posting in the wrong thread/section, thanks!

**LightKing**

some new rumors although some might of been speculated

Spoiler:

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2017/02/26/gathering-storm-iii-rise-primarch-leak-compilation/

**H.B.M.C.**

Well it says that the GK is Stern, which we know is wrong, so how could the rest be right?

**pretre**

LightKing wrote:
some new rumors although some might of been speculated

Spoiler:

Last book is the Series
Character Trio Roboute Guilliman, Cypher and a Grey Knight Master (Stern)
Abaddon is likely to be killed during the last book, by Cypher with a Bolt Pistol
Crawl builds new Roboute Guilliman Armour using the Triaros Conveyor to sustain him from dying to original poison.
Roboute Guilliman has the Emperors sword either found by Trazyn or given to Roboute by the Emperor himself.
Cypher is finally revealed to be Farith Redloss , first captain of the Deathwing

Guilliman goes to Terra and is upset with the Custodes and blames them for everything that has happened to keep the Emperor oblivious to how different the Galaxy is 10,000 later by himself. Guilliman confronts the Emperor and is given to him the Flaming Sword. Guilliman becomes de-facto Emperor and sends the Custodes away to start to start a new Crusade and Age of the Emperor.

Cypher kills Abaddon and/or the Emperor, thus Roboute Guilliman will become the Emperor Incarnate, as the Emperor is destroyed and fragmented. Cypher will be at Guilliman’s side.

More Daemon Primarchs emerge from the expanding warp and Mortarion & Fulgrim lead a counter Crusade against Guilliam.

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2017/02/26/gathering-storm-iii-rise-primarch-leak-compilation/

As it says in the quote, this a compilation of other leaks and rumors, not original content.

**JustaerinAtTheWall**

I feel like revealing Cypher's identity would be a major mistake for GW. He'd still be a super-dope gunslinging BA, but the mystery behind his being is gone. I don't think he's gonna be revealed, and to make Guilliman Emperor is rediculous. The moment any one of his brothers return, they will challenge his given position and another civil war will erupt. Besides, the Big E is the icon of the Imperium and to remove him like that will spark a lot of hate from fans imo.

**LightKing**

The emperor needs to "die", because of the possibility of him being reborn as the star child

**Rubenite**

From natfka:

Triumviate of the Primarch - 90$
-3 Models, Guilliman, Cypher and Grand Master Voldus.
-Guilliman comes with the Armour of Fate, the Hand of Dominion and The Emperors Sword. All Friendly units can Reroll failed leadership checks. Guilliman has ALL command Traits.
-Cypher comes with Eternal warrior, fleet, infiltrate and shrouded
-Voldus hammer works as a conduit for his psychic powers

Gathering Storm: Rise of the Primarch - 50$
-Datasheets for the Triumvirate of the Primarch
- Formations to field the Fallen, the Grey Knights Bulwark of Purity, the Victrix Guard of the Ultramarines and the Triumvirate of the primarch
-Daemonic Adversaries - Special rules to field grey knights that are not daemons.

Last line about Daemonic Adversaries doesn't make sense - could be special rules to field grey knights against armies that are not daemons? Either way, can't wait to see some new Grey Knight formations (seriously hoping there's no 'Dreadknight Wing' though). Wonder what the hammer conduit could mean...

Sounds like RG might have all of the command warlord traits from the BRB. That's a fearsome 12" buff bubble!

**casvalremdeikun**

If that is true, I need to get me some HH Tactical Squads to turn into Fallen Angels! If Guilliman really comes with all the Command traits, that is nuts.

Some Grey Knight Terminators to go with Grey Knight McHammer would be a good idea as well.

**Captain Azrael**

JustaerinAtTheWall wrote:
I feel like revealing Cypher's identity would be a major mistake for GW. He'd still be a super-dope gunslinging BA, but the mystery behind his being is gone. I don't think he's gonna be revealed, and to make Guilliman Emperor is rediculous. The moment any one of his brothers return, they will challenge his given position and another civil war will erupt. Besides, the Big E is the icon of the Imperium and to remove him like that will spark a lot of hate from fans imo.

I agree, how I think it will go down for the Emperor part - Emps will make Guilliman Lord Commander of the Imperium and give him full control like he had before. Then Cypher will kill him ,initiating the Star Child prophesy. So Guilliman will rule only until Emperor returns to lead them again.

But my bigger qeustion is -

Spoiler:

**casvalremdeikun**

Spoiler:

**Earth127**

Defnitely picking up the book. Depending on how it's done this could be good or bad. Given the other 2 gathering storm books were good (better than end times anyway) this might work out. REvealing a long standing mystery can sometimes work out for the better.

Spoiler:

This increased my interest in HH, it did not decrease it. If this leak about Cypher proves true I won't be dissapointed.

I don't mind campiness or tearing down of supposed "sacred houses", as long as you end up in an interesting place that allows for more interesting interaction between factions count me interested. Everyone is an donkey-cave towards everyone even themselves can get tiresome.

**Alpharius**

Captain Azrael wrote:
JustaerinAtTheWall wrote:
I feel like revealing Cypher's identity would be a major mistake for GW. He'd still be a super-dope gunslinging BA, but the mystery behind his being is gone. I don't think he's gonna be revealed, and to make Guilliman Emperor is rediculous. The moment any one of his brothers return, they will challenge his given position and another civil war will erupt. Besides, the Big E is the icon of the Imperium and to remove him like that will spark a lot of hate from fans imo.

I agree, how I think it will go down for the Emperor part - Emps will make Guilliman Lord Commander of the Imperium and give him full control like he had before. Then Cypher will kill him ,initiating the Star Child prophesy. So Guilliman will rule only until Emperor returns to lead them again.

But my bigger qeustion is -

Spoiler:

why they cannot simply remove poison form Guilliman's body is the rumor about him staying in the armor is true?

casvalremdeikun wrote:

Spoiler:

Isn't the poison daemonic poison from Fulgrim? I imagine it is much more complicated than that.

As possibly non-nonsensical as it was, I think I preferred it when Guilliman was healing in stasis, somehow.

Maybe it was one of his secret Primarch powers - super (slow) regeneration?

**casvalremdeikun**

Alpharius wrote:
Captain Azrael wrote:
JustaerinAtTheWall wrote:
I feel like revealing Cypher's identity would be a major mistake for GW. He'd still be a super-dope gunslinging BA, but the mystery behind his being is gone. I don't think he's gonna be revealed, and to make Guilliman Emperor is rediculous. The moment any one of his brothers return, they will challenge his given position and another civil war will erupt. Besides, the Big E is the icon of the Imperium and to remove him like that will spark a lot of hate from fans imo.

I agree, how I think it will go down for the Emperor part - Emps will make Guilliman Lord Commander of the Imperium and give him full control like he had before. Then Cypher will kill him ,initiating the Star Child prophesy. So Guilliman will rule only until Emperor returns to lead them again.

But my bigger qeustion is -

Spoiler:

why they cannot simply remove poison form Guilliman's body is the rumor about him staying in the armor is true?

casvalremdeikun wrote:

Spoiler:

Isn't the poison daemonic poison from Fulgrim? I imagine it is much more complicated than that.

As possibly non-nonsensical as it was, I think I preferred it when Guilliman was healing in stasis, somehow.

Maybe it was one of his secret Primarch powers - super (slow) regeneration?

And that is fine too. Perhaps the wound healed but the poison is still present?