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2017/03/03 21:07:44
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
The latest Whie Dwarf does cover a large amount of the querries voiced here
sooo Spoliers:
Spoiler:
So the Iron Halo is from Saint Celestine,
His gun is the Hand of Dominion (but now a bolt cannon)
Greyfax is kept out of stuff in case she freaks and tries to kill people.
When Guilliman awakens, he fights the Black Legion but once he can rest
he closes the door to his sanctum, sits down, puts his head in his hands and wonders where everyting went wrong in the galaxy.
They have a road trip to Terra, Cypher and RG don;t get on.
Image of RG facing off against Magnus the Red
The Chaos gods are excited by his arrival - fun times - new stuff!
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Azreal13 wrote: I dont mind people disagreeing with me, but I'm afraid I am going to insist on them displaying comprehension of my argument while doing so.
Wargames being nothing like a TV show is absolutely, completely, irrelevant to the point I was making.
Awfully hypocritical to suggest that when you clearly did not understand the point I was making at all. But to each their own, I liked the setting without advancement for what it was and I will chose to like the setting with advancement for what it is. I'm sure you'll enjoy your negativity.
Doubling down on the snark huh?
I guess we're back at square one, because the whole extra thing (besides, on evidence so far, the whole point I was making) you've not understood is I used your post as an example in a response to CalgarsPimpHand, and wasn't addressing anything in your post specifically, merely using it as an example of people who are excited for all the changes without necessarily giving due consideration to the implications long term.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Azreal13 wrote: I guess that's a pretty thick silver lining eh? 5 years ago, if you liked the 40K universe but couldn't stand the game, you were stuck playing OOP games/editions, but at least nuGW is providing other places in 40K for us to play.
They broke up with FFG and this cancelled all 5 of the RPGs. From my perspective there are now fewer ways to play 40K.
Mr Morden wrote: The latest Whie Dwarf does cover a large amount of the querries voiced here
sooo Spoliers:
Spoiler:
So the Iron Halo is from Saint Celestine,
His gun is the Hand of Dominion (but now a bolt cannon)
Greyfax is kept out of stuff in case she freaks and tries to kill people.
When Guilliman awakens, he fights the Black Legion but once he can rest
he closes the door to his sanctum, sits down, puts his head in his hands and wonders where everyting went wrong in the galaxy.
They have a road trip to Terra, Cypher and RG don;t get on.
Image of RG facing off against Magnus the Red
The Chaos gods are excited by his arrival - fun times - new stuff!
so this must be the image of RG and Magnus fighting
Azreal13 wrote: I guess that's a pretty thick silver lining eh? 5 years ago, if you liked the 40K universe but couldn't stand the game, you were stuck playing OOP games/editions, but at least nuGW is providing other places in 40K for us to play.
They broke up with FFG and this cancelled all 5 of the RPGs. From my perspective there are now fewer ways to play 40K.
Never been a role player, but yeah, sucks if you were.
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LightKing wrote: Will the Emperor be even aware that Roboute is back? can he feel his presence?
You're doing it again. Calm down.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Mr Morden wrote: The latest Whie Dwarf does cover a large amount of the querries voiced here
sooo Spoliers:
Spoiler:
So the Iron Halo is from Saint Celestine,
His gun is the Hand of Dominion (but now a bolt cannon)
Greyfax is kept out of stuff in case she freaks and tries to kill people.
When Guilliman awakens, he fights the Black Legion but once he can rest
he closes the door to his sanctum, sits down, puts his head in his hands and wonders where everyting went wrong in the galaxy.
They have a road trip to Terra, Cypher and RG don;t get on.
Image of RG facing off against Magnus the Red
The Chaos gods are excited by his arrival - fun times - new stuff!
so this must be the image of RG and Magnus fighting
Mr Morden wrote: The latest Whie Dwarf does cover a large amount of the querries voiced here
sooo Spoliers:
Spoiler:
So the Iron Halo is from Saint Celestine,
His gun is the Hand of Dominion (but now a bolt cannon)
Greyfax is kept out of stuff in case she freaks and tries to kill people.
When Guilliman awakens, he fights the Black Legion but once he can rest
he closes the door to his sanctum, sits down, puts his head in his hands and wonders where everyting went wrong in the galaxy.
They have a road trip to Terra, Cypher and RG don;t get on.
Image of RG facing off against Magnus the Red
The Chaos gods are excited by his arrival - fun times - new stuff!
so this must be the image of RG and Magnus fighting
Mr Morden wrote: The latest Whie Dwarf does cover a large amount of the querries voiced here
sooo Spoliers:
Spoiler:
So the Iron Halo is from Saint Celestine,
His gun is the Hand of Dominion (but now a bolt cannon)
Greyfax is kept out of stuff in case she freaks and tries to kill people.
When Guilliman awakens, he fights the Black Legion but once he can rest
he closes the door to his sanctum, sits down, puts his head in his hands and wonders where everyting went wrong in the galaxy.
They have a road trip to Terra, Cypher and RG don;t get on.
Image of RG facing off against Magnus the Red
The Chaos gods are excited by his arrival - fun times - new stuff!
so this must be the image of RG and Magnus fighting
Mr Morden wrote: The latest Whie Dwarf does cover a large amount of the querries voiced here
sooo Spoliers:
Spoiler:
So the Iron Halo is from Saint Celestine,
His gun is the Hand of Dominion (but now a bolt cannon)
Greyfax is kept out of stuff in case she freaks and tries to kill people.
When Guilliman awakens, he fights the Black Legion but once he can rest
he closes the door to his sanctum, sits down, puts his head in his hands and wonders where everyting went wrong in the galaxy.
They have a road trip to Terra, Cypher and RG don;t get on.
Image of RG facing off against Magnus the Red
The Chaos gods are excited by his arrival - fun times - new stuff!
so this must be the image of RG and Magnus fighting
Mr Morden wrote: The latest Whie Dwarf does cover a large amount of the querries voiced here
sooo Spoliers:
Spoiler:
So the Iron Halo is from Saint Celestine,
His gun is the Hand of Dominion (but now a bolt cannon)
Greyfax is kept out of stuff in case she freaks and tries to kill people.
When Guilliman awakens, he fights the Black Legion but once he can rest
he closes the door to his sanctum, sits down, puts his head in his hands and wonders where everyting went wrong in the galaxy.
They have a road trip to Terra, Cypher and RG don;t get on.
Image of RG facing off against Magnus the Red
The Chaos gods are excited by his arrival - fun times - new stuff!
so this must be the image of RG and Magnus fighting
Mr Morden wrote: The latest Whie Dwarf does cover a large amount of the querries voiced here
sooo Spoliers:
Spoiler:
So the Iron Halo is from Saint Celestine,
His gun is the Hand of Dominion (but now a bolt cannon)
Greyfax is kept out of stuff in case she freaks and tries to kill people.
When Guilliman awakens, he fights the Black Legion but once he can rest
he closes the door to his sanctum, sits down, puts his head in his hands and wonders where everyting went wrong in the galaxy.
They have a road trip to Terra, Cypher and RG don;t get on.
Image of RG facing off against Magnus the Red
The Chaos gods are excited by his arrival - fun times - new stuff!
so this must be the image of RG and Magnus fighting
Thats a Bloodthirster of Khorne, not Magnus the Red.
Nope wrong pic - its the models not an image - see p54 of WD
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Mr Morden wrote: The latest Whie Dwarf does cover a large amount of the querries voiced here
sooo Spoliers:
Spoiler:
So the Iron Halo is from Saint Celestine,
His gun is the Hand of Dominion (but now a bolt cannon)
Greyfax is kept out of stuff in case she freaks and tries to kill people.
When Guilliman awakens, he fights the Black Legion but once he can rest
he closes the door to his sanctum, sits down, puts his head in his hands and wonders where everyting went wrong in the galaxy.
They have a road trip to Terra, Cypher and RG don;t get on.
Image of RG facing off against Magnus the Red
The Chaos gods are excited by his arrival - fun times - new stuff!
so this must be the image of RG and Magnus fighting
unmercifulconker wrote: So if it turns out to be RG and his side vs Ecclesiarchy, I wonder and worry what side the Templars would take.
I pretty much doubt it will be like that because, as we can see in newest art above, Guilliman received an blessed Iron Halo from Celestine. And when you look at diorama they arranged for this book we can clearly see that two of them will wage battle together. It will be very hard going against organization that promotes God Emperor's faith when you have real Saints and real Daemons fighting all around you.
My take on what will happen in the end?
Spoiler:
Judging by the latest quote we got from it it is clear that he will meet his father on the Golden Throne. Emps will most probably give him instruction on what to do next before allowing/ordering Cypher to kill him so that he could ascend to Godhood.
This is of course only speculation, but logically it should be the how this book ends.
"I do not care who knows the truth now, tomorrow, or in ten thousand years. Loyalty is its own reward."
2017/03/03 21:18:53
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
I think it's probably the Administratium that will be the main adversary. RG is a huge threat to their absolute rule afterall.
On the whole I don't care about 40k anymore, at least not anything that originated from the last 5 years or so, although I am making an exception for this as RG's return is directly interacting with one the key pillars of what makes the 40k fluff so interesting.
Basically a vast 'good' undertaking that was undermined at a fatal moment and has been stagnating ever since under an utterly authoritarian regime that must be cruel and unyielding or everything will fall apart. RG could be the catalyst that brings back the 'good' or he could cause the whole thing to collapse. As GW will want to keep the setting going I suspect that the end result will be underwhelming and for this reason it would probably be for the best if RB was left asleep and someone like Macharius was resurrected instead.
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LightKing wrote: So do the rules that were leaked pretty much make
RG the most powerful single character in 40k tabletop?
Unless someone can confirm that he has Eternal Warrior, he could still be ID'd pretty easily be I7+ force weapons, so long as they can get past a T6 and 3++ (say, by having S8 and 6+ attacks). Magnus qualifies for that, does he not?
Edit: Apparently the twitch confirms he has Eternal Warrior and FnP. In that case, Magnus is probably not going to win in melee, given Guilliman can fish for Ds and regains wounds every turn.
He also has no way of dealing with a Flying enemy. Magnus qualifies for that, does he not?
He also could be sniped, like most things, by D weapons. Magnus qualifies for that, does he not?
That said, RG's incorporation of all the Command Traits give him some serious 12" auras of kickassitude:
Enemy units within 12" must use their lowest Leadership value, not their highest - good against some armies, less against others.
But the big kicker is that Friendly units within 12" use Guilliman's Ld 10, have Move Through Cover, Add 1" to their Run and Charge distances, and re-roll all To-Hit rolls of 1 (both shooting and assault).
Is RG the most powerful on a personal level? Eh, I still think Magnus probably takes that cake (though RG is easily better at hordes - that "one attack per model in a unit" ability is gangbusters, literally).
Is RG one of the most potent army-wide boosters introduced to the game yet? Possibly so. He's putting out a 26+" diameter bubble of buff.
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2017/03/03 21:34:53
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
Bobthehero wrote: Oh man, I just so hope he doesn't have EW, Beast Slayer shells could be renamed Primarch Hunter shells and all would right in my heart
According to BoLS, the twitch confirms he has EW and FnP.
2017/03/03 21:57:43
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
Azreal13 wrote: For some people, the fact that they've done it is already sufficient to call it a flop.
I'd count myself in the deeply sceptical but still open minded camp, but it's difficult to see a route forward that's not going to look like a Saturday morning cartoon.
Azrael, gotta ask you a question. Do you play 40k currently? If not, when did you quit? Seems kinda pointless to bemoan a game you aren't playing
Into 7th, I still have two armies with a third (more 30K orientated but with an eye towards using it in 40K also) WIP.
I have stopped playing, because I find the game deeply unsatisfying to play as it stands, but I'd say I'm lapsed rather than quit.
Equally, I'm not bemoaning the game (in this context,) I'm not even specifically criticising the details of the changes (although god knows I have my reservations) I'm questioning the wisdom of taking any setting and moving the timeline forward, because this in and of itself presents creative challenges for maintaining the longevity of the game's fiction.
That's a fair response. However, I take the opposite view. I think moving the timeline forward helps the longevity of the game's fiction. You can only continue to write so much in the same "event". I mean, yeah we haven't covered everything in the Horus Heresy, but it's pretty fairly detailed. If they don't move forward, I'd say in another 10 years they'd be out of ideas for 30k/40k lore.
What about all the races, Craftworlds, Guard Regiments, Chapters, sub Factions, battles, campaigns and characters that have only ever had a passing reference in lore?
What about the Ghoul (Ghost?) Stars?
What about the 10 000 years since the Heresy?
There's a huge amount of space left to explore, this isn't some creative decision to move things forward because they've run out of design space, they've moved things forward because it's easy and they know it will allow them to produce stuff that sells by the bucket.
That's not necessarily a criticism of GW as a company, while one could argue they have a certain artistic responsibility to maintain the integrity of something they're custodians of, the reality is they exist to sell product, but it is something I think should give the fans pause before they throw a party.
It's not like the Gathering Storm is going to stop any 30k production, I'm pretty sure FW will still be taking care of that. I think it's just that their focus (rightly so) is continuing the 40k line.
Also, I don't think there's that much to explore. Does every craftworld, guard regiment, etc. deserve a full explanation? I think it's more interesting that they aren't fully explored, as it leaves some more player choice in there.
That's a little contrary - "I think it's more interesting that stuff is left unexplained, but I'm keen to see all this stuff that was previously unexplained dragged front and centre into the spotlight in the name of moving things forward."
Ultimately, whether a Craftworld or whatever deserves a full exploration is determined by the quality of that exploration. Is it interestingly different enough from what has gone before?
It's moot though, GW have gone for the low hanging fruit, while leaving huge parts of the map unexplored.
Isn't exploring the map really more Black Library's field? GW are moving the story forward so that they can refresh the ranges- bring in new elements to the factions model wise rather than just releasing slight variants/sculpts of the existing range. Exploring the breadth of the setting doesn't really allow them to do that. Exploring craftworld Lugganath doesn't present the same opportunities to bring new models in the same way as introducing the Ynnari does for eldar. The Ynnari have allowed the introduction of a new aesthetic which opens up the possibilities for new eldar units and models without retconning at all. Ultimately GW needs to refresh things to sells us more models, that's what their core business is, hopefully they do it well. Personally I'm enjoying it so far and hoping to see developments for my Nids as well, but I understand if you don't like the direction things are headed.
2017/03/03 21:57:49
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
Get the White Dwarf! Mr. Morden already covered the important bits but man, Roboute's return is glorious! There's also a diorama there with Big Bobby G and two Custodes and a piece of terrain, custom made for the diorama, I hope it becomes a new terrain kit.
About his return moment:
Spoiler:
First thing he does is SHORYUKEN a Black Legionnaire and punch a TERMINATOR through a marble column! RG has no time to think, just act, and man oh man, BL is so fethed
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"Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth! These are the truths of this world! Surrender to these truths, you pigs in human clothing!" - Satsuki Kiryuin, Kill la Kill
2017/03/03 22:18:07
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
The fluff is like ketchup and mustard on a burger. Yes it's desirable, yes it makes things better, but no it doesn't fundamentally change what you're eating and no you shouldn't just drown the whole meal in it.
2017/03/03 22:18:11
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch
Azreal13 wrote: I dont mind people disagreeing with me, but I'm afraid I am going to insist on them displaying comprehension of my argument while doing so.
Wargames being nothing like a TV show is absolutely, completely, irrelevant to the point I was making.
Awfully hypocritical to suggest that when you clearly did not understand the point I was making at all. But to each their own, I liked the setting without advancement for what it was and I will chose to like the setting with advancement for what it is. I'm sure you'll enjoy your negativity.
Doubling down on the snark huh?
I guess we're back at square one, because the whole extra thing (besides, on evidence so far, the whole point I was making) you've not understood is I used your post as an example in a response to CalgarsPimpHand, and wasn't addressing anything in your post specifically, merely using it as an example of people who are excited for all the changes without necessarily giving due consideration to the implications long term.
Incoming transmission
The Gathering Storm is over.
We saw Cadia burn, a Craftworld shattered, and we followed Eldar and Saint into the nightmare. We saw a Primarch rise again, and we went into hell itself to reach Terra.
The Gathering Storm is over.
Old Night is once again upon us. The gods fight against each other and laugh. But we won't give up without a fight either. We will muster. A new Great Crusade must begin. For Terra, and for the Emperor!
This is, it's time for Humanity to once again kick the living crap of their enemies. It's time to make the Imperium great again!
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"Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth! These are the truths of this world! Surrender to these truths, you pigs in human clothing!" - Satsuki Kiryuin, Kill la Kill
2017/03/03 22:19:48
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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SHORYUKEN a Black Legionnaire and punch a TERMINATOR through a marble column! 
