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 TheDraconicLord wrote:


About his return moment:

Spoiler:

First thing he does is SHORYUKEN a Black Legionnaire and punch a TERMINATOR through a marble column! RG has no time to think, just act, and man oh man, BL is so fethed

Good thing he does that in the book, because as is, he will never be able to do that in the game.
I still can not believe how ridiculously awful his rules are...
If he is just a monstrous creature, he has less mobility even than the terminators...

So Old Night returning and a new GC?

God they really are turning to morph 40k into 30k for some reason.

Part of me like that, part of me doesn't... Not really much else to say until more information comes out.

I'm about 95% sure 30k primarchs are not MCs, and are still independent characters.

I know this gets tossed around a lot, but this is another very AOS-y decision.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
I'm about 95% sure 30k primarchs are not MCs, and are still independent characters.

I know this gets tossed around a lot, but this is another very AOS-y decision.

Yup, they're infantry.
Tough infantry that hit like trucks compared to normal infantry, but still infantry.

 Azreal13 wrote:
You know why TV shows have a shelf life? Or why movie sequels are almost always inferior to their predecessors? It's because if you have to work with a narrative, you either have to offer resolution or keep one-upping previous events. If you don't offer resolution, the audience gets bored and frustrated, if you continue to go bigger, you eventually cross into parody.

GW are already bordering on the latter, if they keep moving things forward (even if this is a single step for now) where can you see the game in 3 years? 10? 40K has lasted 30 years inhabiting, give or take, the same snap shot of time. It might seem exciting to have these long hinted at events actually occur in the fluff and in game, but ultimately what GW have done by moving the narrative forward rather than diving deeper into the universe is start a stopwatch that's going to keep counting down for their customers. What was a sandbox for the gamer and designers to play in is becoming a vector headed towards a conclusion. When your stated aim is to make the best toy soldiers in the world and keep doing it forever, starting your golden goose IP on a journey towards a conclusion isn't the best idea.

Okay I'll bite.

I don't think this is true. TV shows typically fail for two reasons. The first is that the writers run out of ideas, dig themselves into a hole and/or just say they don't want to do it any more.
The second is similar but instead of the writers its the actors. Characters and actors are linked and while writers might continue on in the world the fans don't think it is enjoyable without those characters and their actors.

I don't see how this "narratives lead to end points" stacks up.

Mainly because I have never got this difference between a story and a setting and aside from the catchy "gotcha" quote have never seen it explained.

As someone said above the Star Wars films are stories. The Star Wars universe is however a setting.
The same applies to say Lord of the Rings or Games of Thrones or even Harry Potter.
A setting just seems to be a sufficiently detailed world that you can start to imagine independent of a handful of characters.

What is the conclusion to 40k? Why does it have to have one? Why are GW setting a stop watch which counts down to some identifiable end point?

GW could sit down tomorrow and write out a planned history from the dawn of M42 through to M43 for every faction.
That would give them a thousand years to play with. Factions and characters could do this or that. Wars could be fought and planets won, lost or destroyed. They can write stories covering all of this.

I don't know how many campaign books a thousand years of potential conflicts would cover - its a question of imagination - but lets say in 20, 30, 100 years time they are close to telling them all. Well then they can just sit down and plot out M43-M44.

I think its perfectly reasonable to say you don't have faith in GW's writing or imagination to tell good stories. This idea however that once you start advancing the plot you have to ultimately reach the end point where everyone either lives happily ever after or dies is just wrong.

 Johnny The Lictor wrote:
Pre-Orders are up on the New Zealand website.

I fell off my chair thinking that was US dollars!

I think it makes perfect sense for RG to be a MC - look at the size of him. He must be close to the size of a Carnifex?

spartiatis wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:


About his return moment:

Spoiler:

First thing he does is SHORYUKEN a Black Legionnaire and punch a TERMINATOR through a marble column! RG has no time to think, just act, and man oh man, BL is so fethed

Good thing he does that in the book, because as is, he will never be able to do that in the game.
I still can not believe how ridiculously awful his rules are...
If he is just a monstrous creature, he has less mobility even than the terminators...

Depends on his points but he has a 3+ Invun, FNP< Eternal Warrior and gets back up on a 4+ - so makes a Cheesetide or CheeseKnight look flimsy
He has a S6 AP1 weapon that does loads of stuff including a D Strike, plus a Bolt cannon.

Apart from not being super speedy what exactly is he missing?

 Mr Morden wrote:

spartiatis wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:


About his return moment:

Spoiler:

First thing he does is SHORYUKEN a Black Legionnaire and punch a TERMINATOR through a marble column! RG has no time to think, just act, and man oh man, BL is so fethed

Good thing he does that in the book, because as is, he will never be able to do that in the game.
I still can not believe how ridiculously awful his rules are...
If he is just a monstrous creature, he has less mobility even than the terminators...

Depends on his points but he has a 3+ Invun, FNP< Eternal Warrior and gets back up on a 4+ - so makes a Cheesetide or CheeseKnight look flimsy
He has a S6 AP1 weapon that does loads of stuff including a D Strike, plus a Bolt cannon.

Apart from not being super speedy what exactly is he missing?

He could be pretty speedy with an electrodisplacement blessing with the librarius conclave.

 Mr Morden wrote:

spartiatis wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:


About his return moment:

Spoiler:

First thing he does is SHORYUKEN a Black Legionnaire and punch a TERMINATOR through a marble column! RG has no time to think, just act, and man oh man, BL is so fethed

Good thing he does that in the book, because as is, he will never be able to do that in the game.
I still can not believe how ridiculously awful his rules are...
If he is just a monstrous creature, he has less mobility even than the terminators...

Depends on his points but he has a 3+ Invun, FNP< Eternal Warrior and gets back up on a 4+ - so makes a Cheesetide or CheeseKnight look flimsy
He has a S6 AP1 weapon that does loads of stuff including a D Strike, plus a Bolt cannon.

Apart from not being super speedy what exactly is he missing?

Character, he is missing character, stats and rules wise he is very boring, also, why is he a MC now? why cant he join units anymore?

To me Brother Templars, FOR THE EMPERAAAAAAAAAAAA!

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
I think it makes perfect sense for RG to be a MC - look at the size of him. He must be close to the size of a Carnifex?

He's about the same size as Cawl, who is Infantry.

So...yeah.

 Formosa wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

spartiatis wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:


About his return moment:

Spoiler:

First thing he does is SHORYUKEN a Black Legionnaire and punch a TERMINATOR through a marble column! RG has no time to think, just act, and man oh man, BL is so fethed

Good thing he does that in the book, because as is, he will never be able to do that in the game.
I still can not believe how ridiculously awful his rules are...
If he is just a monstrous creature, he has less mobility even than the terminators...

Depends on his points but he has a 3+ Invun, FNP< Eternal Warrior and gets back up on a 4+ - so makes a Cheesetide or CheeseKnight look flimsy
He has a S6 AP1 weapon that does loads of stuff including a D Strike, plus a Bolt cannon.

Apart from not being super speedy what exactly is he missing?

Character, he is missing character, stats and rules wise he is very boring, also, why is he a MC now? why cant he join units anymore?

Ah so boring rules rather than bad rules - I see. Re MC - gues they went by size but they are very inconsistant - see Cawl.

Maybe they wanted something other than yet another Deathstar character?

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
PEOPLE! Lady Atia has posted!

!!!!!!!BIG SPOILERS!!!!!

Spoiler:

Incoming transmission
The Gathering Storm is over.

We saw Cadia burn, a Craftworld shattered, and we followed Eldar and Saint into the nightmare. We saw a Primarch rise again, and we went into hell itself to reach Terra.

The Gathering Storm is over.

Old Night is once again upon us. The gods fight against each other and laugh. But we won't give up without a fight either. We will muster. A new Great Crusade must begin. For Terra, and for the Emperor!

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1763

This is, it's time for Humanity to once again kick the living crap of their enemies. It's time to make the Imperium great again!

are these really the final words in the book?

 Mr Morden wrote:

spartiatis wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:


About his return moment:

Spoiler:

First thing he does is SHORYUKEN a Black Legionnaire and punch a TERMINATOR through a marble column! RG has no time to think, just act, and man oh man, BL is so fethed

Good thing he does that in the book, because as is, he will never be able to do that in the game.
I still can not believe how ridiculously awful his rules are...
If he is just a monstrous creature, he has less mobility even than the terminators...

Depends on his points but he has a 3+ Invun, FNP< Eternal Warrior and gets back up on a 4+ - so makes a Cheesetide or CheeseKnight look flimsy
He has a S6 AP1 weapon that does loads of stuff including a D Strike, plus a Bolt cannon.

Apart from not being super speedy what exactly is he missing?

S10, actually. And while the D on 6's to hit is nice, what really makes that weapon amazing is its "make an attack against EVERY model in EVERY unit within 1" of him, and all you have to give up is the normal 6 attacks" rule.

Due to the Command Traits, he also runs and charges an extra 1". He ain't fast, but he's not quite as slow as some. And he's re-rolling 1's to hit in assault from the same, so he's got a better chance of getting the D.

LightKing wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
PEOPLE! Lady Atia has posted!

!!!!!!!BIG SPOILERS!!!!!

Spoiler:

Incoming transmission
The Gathering Storm is over.

We saw Cadia burn, a Craftworld shattered, and we followed Eldar and Saint into the nightmare. We saw a Primarch rise again, and we went into hell itself to reach Terra.

The Gathering Storm is over.

Old Night is once again upon us. The gods fight against each other and laugh. But we won't give up without a fight either. We will muster. A new Great Crusade must begin. For Terra, and for the Emperor!

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1763

This is, it's time for Humanity to once again kick the living crap of their enemies. It's time to make the Imperium great again!

are these really the final words in the book?

Is the Emperor issuing a new crusade, it seems like Roboute is doing that

edit: my bad responding to my self

Sisters *have* to be making a comeback now. Celestine herself has brought big Robbie G to the show...gaks about to get real.

LightKing wrote:

LightKing wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
PEOPLE! Lady Atia has posted!

!!!!!!!BIG SPOILERS!!!!!

Spoiler:

Incoming transmission
The Gathering Storm is over.

We saw Cadia burn, a Craftworld shattered, and we followed Eldar and Saint into the nightmare. We saw a Primarch rise again, and we went into hell itself to reach Terra.

The Gathering Storm is over.

Old Night is once again upon us. The gods fight against each other and laugh. But we won't give up without a fight either. We will muster. A new Great Crusade must begin. For Terra, and for the Emperor!

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1763

This is, it's time for Humanity to once again kick the living crap of their enemies. It's time to make the Imperium great again!

are these really the final words in the book?

Is the Emperor issuing a new crusade, it seems like Roboute is doing that

edit: my bad responding to my self

We've hit a new low here...

...God is dead. God remains dead. And we killed him.

so, we;'ve seen the stats for gulliman himself, there been any leaks of the other two characters? I gotta give GW credit, they're packaging cypher with the ONE guy whom could over shadow HIS release

for real though....its amazing how GW really turned around, they been making great money on these releases with an increase of productivity

all thanks to this guy

Another old night means the astronomicon is no more which means the big buy powering it must be no more to ....

looking at this image again, does anyone notice the Dark Angels symbol on the bottom left


a dark angel listening to the Ultramarines primarch...interesting

LightKing wrote:

Spoiler:

looking at this image again, does anyone notice the Dark Angels symbol on the bottom left


a dark angel listening to the Ultramarines primarch...interesting

You do know he comes packaged with Cypher who is a Fallen Dark Angel right?

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

LightKing wrote:

Spoiler:

looking at this image again, does anyone notice the Dark Angels symbol on the bottom left


a dark angel listening to the Ultramarines primarch...interesting

You do know he comes packaged with Cypher who is a Fallen Dark Angel right?

Cypher doesn't have the dark angels symbol on his back though

LightKing wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

LightKing wrote:

Spoiler:

looking at this image again, does anyone notice the Dark Angels symbol on the bottom left


a dark angel listening to the Ultramarines primarch...interesting

You do know he comes packaged with Cypher who is a Fallen Dark Angel right?

Cypher doesn't have the dark angels symbol on his back though

Any number of the Fallen that follow Cypher could.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

LightKing wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

LightKing wrote:

Spoiler:

looking at this image again, does anyone notice the Dark Angels symbol on the bottom left


a dark angel listening to the Ultramarines primarch...interesting

You do know he comes packaged with Cypher who is a Fallen Dark Angel right?

Cypher doesn't have the dark angels symbol on his back though

Any number of the Fallen that follow Cypher could.

fair enough.... I assume that the guy with the ultramarines symbol is Marneus Calgar in Terminator armour?

LightKing wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

LightKing wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

LightKing wrote:

Spoiler:

looking at this image again, does anyone notice the Dark Angels symbol on the bottom left


a dark angel listening to the Ultramarines primarch...interesting

You do know he comes packaged with Cypher who is a Fallen Dark Angel right?

Cypher doesn't have the dark angels symbol on his back though

Any number of the Fallen that follow Cypher could.

fair enough.... I assume that the guy with the ultramarines symbol is Marneus Calgar in Terminator armour?

That would be a safe bet.

when does this book come out i need it