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Good lord I can't take the histrionics. Does anyone have some story leaks to discuss?

 Roleplayer wrote:
Don't worry.

I'd be sure to burn them in purging fire first.

get some sweet youtube views.


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But in all seriousness, its a sad day when you can see that your 25 years of miniature paining/hobbying may come to an end cause of some fanfic writers in nottingham

Fanfic which you have not read yet, which you don't need to read.
Nothing that is happening in any way makes your painted models less beautiful, nothing prevents you telling stories from any time in the 41st millennium.
As an example Gaunt's Ghosts are all long dead in the current timeline but I am still looking forward to the next book in the series.
GW is just telling another story in this setting. If you don't like that story, ignore it.

I've been following 40K on and off since the mid 90s. The "fate of the galaxy" metaplots were always one of the worst parts of the fluff and it's disappointing to see GW take this turn with them.

I'm doubtful this will benefit GW in the long run. They're exploiting the audience's investment in the status quo by destroying it. The only reason Primarchs returning is a big deal is the decades in which it didn't happen.

Generating short term excitement at the cost of long term investment is a good move if you're writing a story but a bad tradeoff for a setting that supports a miniature wargame (and novels etc.). Especially one that encourages players to personalise their armies and write their own background. (I dunno, maybe GW doesn't want to do that anymore.)

Sure, in theory the new normal could turn out more interesting and more popular than the old. More likely people will never care this much about the setting again and 40K goes the way of superhero comics, with earthshaking events becoming a regular thing until it turns into a soap opera.

Personally I'd already drifted away from the official fluff. It's not a huge loss to ignore what GW does with 40K from this point. And it's hardly the first franchise to start crapping on what made it cool. Still sucks though.

Yeah, I just dont have the faith in the fluff writing, to be honest.

Like, i don't think GW have the self control to do that, as almost the entire orginal setting crew have left the ship now.

We'll wait and see, but from what i've seen its all very GULLIMAN IS HERE TO SAVE THE DAY EVERYONE, YAYZ.

I don't think GW will just go, okay, we've done a little thing here, lets take 5-10 years to see how it shakes out slowly an explore the new setting they'll be like

That sold well, lets throw another huge thing in every 6 months or so, and give nothing a chance to breath, so its always stuff stuff stuff.

That's my worry.

Daedalus81 wrote:
Good lord I can't take the histrionics. Does anyone have some story leaks to discuss?

Or not...that'd just infuriate the histrionics further.

 Roleplayer wrote:
I have about 40,000 pts of Blood Angels, Tau, Sisters of Battle, Blood Ravens and Ultra Marines all painted to the standard of these few minis listed below. Accumulated over 25 years of painting and assembling.

Sadly, these current changes are making me consider just throwing the whole lot in the trash and give up miniature painting and go find other hobbies.

I don't think I can reconcile these changes to myself in something I have loved for so long. Very hard.

Don't toss it, you could ship it to me instead!

 Roleplayer wrote:
Yeah, I just dont have the faith in the fluff writing, to be honest.

Like, i don't think GW have the self control to do that, as almost the entire orginal setting crew have left the ship now.

We'll wait and see, but from what i've seen its all very GULLIMAN IS HERE TO SAVE THE DAY EVERYONE, YAYZ.

I don't think GW will just go, okay, we've done a little thing here, lets take 5-10 years to see how it shakes out slowly an explore the new setting they'll be like

That sold well, lets throw another huge thing in every 6 months or so, and give nothing a chance to breath, so its always stuff stuff stuff.

That's my worry.

my worry too truth be told, I don't mind the timeline advancing but doing it too quick tends to be... problematic.

 Fabio Bile wrote:


Generating short term excitement at the cost of long term investment is a good move if you're writing a story but a bad tradeoff for a setting that supports a miniature wargame (and novels etc.). Especially one that encourages players to personalise their armies and write their own background. (I dunno, maybe GW doesn't want to do that anymore.)

Only if they take it too far. If they advance the timeline a few fractions then settle into a new status quo instead of carrying the story all the way to its conclusion (Desctruction of the Warhammaer Fantasy world and the discontinuation of the game), then they can preserve the setting.

Instead of the old Status Quo being "11th hour before midnight with the Imperium of Man on the brink of collapse and one final apocalyptic war ", the new Status Quo is "the clock has struck midnight, the collapse of the Imperium and the final apocalyptic war has begun".

That final apocalyptic battle is now the setting. So long as they don't take it through to its final conclusion, the setting still exists.

Like, in all honestly, there are a lot of great stories to explore with the return of one (AND ONLY ONE) primarch.

Will he kneel to the High Lords of Terra? Will he get a seat with them?
How will the church react? What tensions will appear in the imperium?
Will he like what the Ultramarines have become?
Will he be accepted or deemed a heretic by the inquisition?
is the galaxy just too big for even a primarch to have any influence on at all?Will he come back, but nothing change because the wheels are just too big to get moving again at this point, no matter what
Is it ALL futile?

but I have pretty sure GW has no interest in pausing the universe here for a few years so we can explore those questions in the same, slow careful detail and examination we've xplored things so far.

instead it'll just be on to the next big shiny thing!
I feel they are doing this just to make a splash, so we need a BIG THING, rather than, we had a great idea for a story, that will also by chance, make a splash.

This should have been done over an entire year, with each book every 4 months.

Giving people a chance to examine each step, play out battles in each step.

Right now its just a whir of colours and GW yelling CONSUME.

 Roleplayer wrote:
Like, in all honestly, there are a lot of great stories to explore with the return of one (AND ONLY ONE) primarch.

Will he kneel to the High Lords of Terra? Will he get a seat with them?
How will the cbhurch react? What tensions will appear in the imperium/
Will he like what the Ultramarines have become?
Will he be accepted or deemed a heretic by the inquisition?
is the galaxy just too big for even a primarch to have any influence on at all?Will he come back, but nothing change because the wheels are just too big to get moving again at this point, no matter what
Is it ALL futile?

but I have pretty sure GW has no interest in pausing the universe here for a few years so we can explore those questions in the same, slow careful detail and examination we've xplored things so far.

instead it'll just be on to the next big shiny thing!
I feel they are doig this just to make a splash, so we need a BIG THING, rather than, we had a great idea for a story, that will also by chance, make a splash.

I'm sorry, but what rock have you been living under for the last decade? This is GW's MO, its nothing new. It was inevitable that they'd one day move on to Primarchs.

Though I do agree that the fluff of this is probably sub-par. They should be letting Black Library's best writers have at it. I want to read an entire NOVEL about Guilemans return, not just a Codex subsection.

(I've butchered Guilemans name haven't I? This is why I call him Girlyman, much easier to spell. )

As someone who had played 40k for 25 years, it certainly was not inevitable.

And I don't see the need for it, when we can all play 30k for the Age of Heroes.

And I don't see the need for it, when we can all play 30k for the Age of Heroes.

Thats a fair point.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

And I don't see the need for it, when we can all play 30k for the Age of Heroes.

Thats a fair point.

Not really. Lots of 30K models are out of reach for mainstream hobbyists.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

And I don't see the need for it, when we can all play 30k for the Age of Heroes.

Thats a fair point.

Not really. Lots of 30K models are out of reach for mainstream hobbyists.

Also a fair point.

What a load of nonsense, there are tens of thousands of people who own a bunch of marines and a few rhinos. Just because you can spend a bunch of money on some FW stuff doesn't mean you can't also spend a similar amount on GW main, and nobody says you have to play 30K at 5000 points.

Which part?

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

And I don't see the need for it, when we can all play 30k for the Age of Heroes.

Thats a fair point.

Not really. Lots of 30K models are out of reach for mainstream hobbyists.

Also a fair point.

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Daedalus81 wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

And I don't see the need for it, when we can all play 30k for the Age of Heroes.

Thats a fair point.

Not really. Lots of 30K models are out of reach for mainstream hobbyists.

Also a fair point.

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I don't quite understand that but it made me laugh nonetheless.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Roleplayer wrote:
As someone who had played 40k for 25 years, it certainly was not inevitable.

And I don't see the need for it, when we can all play 30k for the Age of Heroes.

You can still play games set in 40k pre-end times, it's not like they are rewriting the last 10,000 years.

That's what all my friends said about the Warhammer World when End Times hit.

But all it did was fracture the community. Now about 30% still play in Sigmar (which I don't, as whats the point without the story?) and the rest gave up the hobby, since the story they liked was trashed.

I imagine the same thing will happen with 40k. Not that I really play anymore (maybe 2 games in 3 years), but I was still painting 1-2 full armies a year.


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But, I hope that those who are keen enjoy it.

You've clearly won this battle, and its happening.

Time for the old guard to bow out, make way for a younger generation, and find other hobbies

 Roleplayer wrote:


That's what all my friends said about the Warhammer World when End Times hit.

But all it did was fracture the community. Now about 30% still play in Sigmar (which I don't, as whats the point without the story?) and the rest gave up the hobby, since the story they liked was trashed.

I imagine the same thing will happen with 40k. Not that I really play anymore (maybe 2 games in 3 years), but I was still painting 1-2 full armies a year.

Then people should catch up with the AoS story thus far, because otherwise they're just making blind judgments. And i'd wager more people left because they didn't like the rules than those who left because of the story.

 Roleplayer wrote:
But all it did was fracture the community. Now about 30% still play in Sigmar (which I don't, as whats the point without the story?) and the rest gave up the hobby, since the story they liked was trashed.

Why can't that 70% have simply continued to play older Editions with each other?

Time for the old guard to bow out, make way for a younger generation, and find other hobbies

Other games.

Remember, GW isn't a hobby any more than Ford is "cars."

I've been playing Guild Ball for the game for a few months now, I just this week discovered that the fluff is awesome too.

Come, join us!

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Roleplayer wrote:
But all it did was fracture the community. Now about 30% still play in Sigmar (which I don't, as whats the point without the story?) and the rest gave up the hobby, since the story they liked was trashed.

Why can't that 70% have simply continued to play older Editions with each other?

Because the community is ridiculously fickle. Everyone likes to pretend they have it cornered as to why their system is great, but blowing up WHFB revealed just how much the community disagreed already.

Daedalus81 wrote:
Good lord I can't take the histrionics. Does anyone have some story leaks to discuss?

I couldn't agree more. There are so many people investing such effort to whine in this thread. All I want to do is read about some fluff or rules, not listen to some conservative players trying to hold onto the way they want the game to be for the past few days. It's, frankly, insufferable. Contributes absolutely nothing

In any case, I'd like to talk about some of the rules!

If you haven't watched the stream on Warhammer TV here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/126067508 or don't have a subscription, Guilliman seems like a beast, but you have to get him into combat. He moved a grand total of 12" for the entire duration of the game, killed Skarbrand, countless Bloodletters, and a Daemon Prince. He's SO slow.

They made a point to bring up that Cypher complements the Deny the Witch reroll that Guilliman has. It seems Cypher is getting some new rules!

They were pretty hush hush on points, Lord of War status, or anything of that nature.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Roleplayer wrote:


That's what all my friends said about the Warhammer World when End Times hit.

But all it did was fracture the community. Now about 30% still play in Sigmar (which I don't, as whats the point without the story?) and the rest gave up the hobby, since the story they liked was trashed.

I imagine the same thing will happen with 40k. Not that I really play anymore (maybe 2 games in 3 years), but I was still painting 1-2 full armies a year.

Then people should catch up with the AoS story thus far, because otherwise they're just making blind judgments. And i'd wager more people left because they didn't like the rules than those who left because of the story.

I've read the Age of Sigmar story. I still liked the WHFB setting better and would rather they had put the AoS ruleset there. But that doesn't doesn't mean I can't enjoy the AoS setting and story for what it is, because at the end of the day things have changed and being perpetually upset about it won't do anything but ruin by enjoyment.

I see nothing but heresy in this thread. Follows of Tzeentch and Nurgle battling over change and decay. Exterminatus is recommended.

This is getting a little heated and way off topic (the latter of which I've played a part). Can we get back on topic now?

I have deleted a number of off-topic posts. Please take the debate about whether GW should push the "story" further to the 40k Background sub-forum, along with questions/speculation about story elements. Thanks!

Remember when we wanted a SM MC?

Not like this GW... not like this. He's almost unplayable. :(

 Crazyterran wrote:
Remember when we wanted a SM MC?

Not like this GW... not like this. He's almost unplayable. :(

Isn't the Sanguinor a MC? And Mephiston?