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How is he unplayable.

A slow model that can't join units since he's a mc, costs 350 points, and all his command abilities only work within 12", which will quickly be out paced.

If he had been an extremely bulky infantry he could have been worth it, but MC killed him.

Unless he has IC and I missed it, the most he will do is die to a round of grav fire.

It wouldn't matter if he was an IC, since IC MCs can't join other units either.

A 12" radius is nothing to sneeze at - that's more than a 2 foot diameter circle of awesomesauce buffitude.

Yes, he's a touch slow, but not THAT slow - 6" +1d6+1 run distance (yes, you give up shooting, but keeping your faster elements inside the bubble of buffitude is probably worth it) averages at around 10" a round.

Start him at the forefront of your assault, and even your faster elements won't get outside of his buff range for at least a round or two.

Also... not everyone has Grav, y'know. 2+/3++/5+++ at 6 wounds is definitely a tough nut to crack - even with Grav, that's not going to be easy to get through. I'm sure Martel has the mathhammer for Grav against exactly such a target (except with 5 wounds) memorized at this point.

 Unusual Suspect wrote:
It wouldn't matter if he was an IC, since IC MCs can't join other units either.

A 12" radius is nothing to sneeze at - that's more than a 2 foot diameter circle of awesomesauce buffitude.

Yes, he's a touch slow, but not THAT slow - 6" +1d6+1 run distance (yes, you give up shooting, but keeping your faster elements inside the bubble of buffitude is probably worth it) averages at around 10" a round.

Start him at the forefront of your assault, and even your faster elements won't get outside of his buff range for at least a round or two.

Also... not everyone has Grav, y'know. 2+/3++/5+++ at 6 wounds is definitely a tough nut to crack - even with Grav, that's not going to be easy to get through. I'm sure Martel has the mathhammer for Grav against exactly such a target (except with 5 wounds) memorized at this point.

that said no gulliman isn't gonna be able to win entire games by himself. and god I wish people would stop using that as the metre stick of if a units any good

I hope he can be run in any Armies of the Imperium kind of like Celestine and the others. Then I can play him without having to start an Ultramarines army.

 tastytaste wrote:

Goobi2 wrote:
By the tracker Atia is 100% But moving into a new crusade (a rally for the wavering Imperium) was gonna be the most likely next step anyway. The whole faction got Avatar of Khaine'd so much they were becoming as much of a joke as Abaddon. (In a fashion) With this regroup and push, they can seem like a legitimate space power, even though the odds are stacked against them.

Really wanna see those new Cypher rules, since Robby is D-Bait

The Crusade Rumor has been around more than a few weeks and reads something like this.

Guilliman goes to Terra and is upset with the Custodes and blames them for everything that has happened to keep the Emperor oblivious to how different the Galaxy is 10,000 later by himself. Guilliman confronts the Emperor and is given to him the Flaming Sword. Guilliman becomes de-facto Emperor and sends the Custodes away to start to start a new Crusade and Age of the Emperor.

She [i][u]is not first to the party on this rumor.

Seriously, what's wrong with you? That's not the first time you talk out of your ass. You are aware that the NDA for preview copies tells you when you are allowed to talk about that stuff? You are aware that this is not a rumour as it's backed up by one of said preview copies?

350 points? Is that right? I think Magnus got a sore deal even with him being a flying monstrous creature.

Curious if any of you have seen this. Supposedly, his rules are here:

https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2017/03/03/triumvirate-of-the-primarch-tactical-review-roboute-guilliman/

What had he expected to see he wondered? He had read the reports. His gene father had been kept alive through the artifice of the Golden Throne for over 10,000 years. The Primarch of the XIII had steeled himself for anything, but this rotted desiccated husk of a corpse could not have been the proud and radiant Emperor of all Mankind.

Roboute Guilliman shook with emotion, overcome by a grief he had felt only once before. He raised his hand slowly to touch his gene father’s face. In perfect unison, the 4 custodians flanking him directed their guardian spears at a unique and exposed weakness. A knee, an ankle, a shoulder and his outstretched hand. All meant to incapacitate and not kill him.

“Killing me now would be a mercy. I assure you.”

The Primarch knelt in front of his father. “Why do I still live? What more do you want from me? I gave everything I had to you, to them. Look what they’ve made of our dream. This bloated, rotting carcass of an empire is not driven by reason and hope, but by fear, hate and ignorance. Better that we had all burned in the fires of Horus’s ambition than lived to see this.”

It was at this exact moment, when the sword that rested at the Emperor’s seat burst into flames. Legends have given this mighty blade many titles but the Gladius Regis, the Sword of Kings is its one true name. Roboute Guilliman felt the white hot heat of its flames wash away his doubts, fears and despair. Like Lazarus of old, he felt the hope in his heart beat again. Grasping the blade in both hands and raising it to the sky, the Primarch of the XIII roared his defiance to a rapt audience:

“My father has given us this sign. Even now he fights for the salvation of us all. To the enemies of mankind, I say let them come. We will show them we will not go quietly into the night. We will show them the might of the Imperium. We will show them an Imperium resurgent! Are you with me? ”

…

A 3rd Farseer crystallised from the effort of bypassing the Imperial Palace’s many psychic wards. Even the brow of venerable Eldrad was tight with supreme effort.

“We now have our champion.”


Forgive the bad fanfic. I get it. Rise of the Primarch represents change and change can either be frightening or interesting. I prefer the more positive mindset. We can always complain about it later.

Just a few more days till release!

Probably not a great idea posting fanfic here, as some will take it as a quote from the book.

Yeah I did too. It was working well until he became the President from ID4 (although the "We have our Champion" bit was cool).

So, gold claps on the fanfic, but don't post it here.


Anyway, ordered my Big G, plus the second and third book from the series.

Great!
No we need 30k v 40k Guilliman

Not bad for some of the fanfic I've seen. It had me entertained. I say this will be a fun time for us all. Good job GW. Now make the first book after this devoted to Tyranids and I will put down more twenties than a depraved soul at a slaaneshi strip club.

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:
Not bad for some of the fanfic I've seen. It had me entertained. I say this will be a fun time for us all. Good job GW. Now make the first book after this devoted to Tyranids and I will put down more twenties than a depraved soul at a slaaneshi strip club.

I would be extremely interested to see what they did with a Tyranid triumvirate!

On that note, with all the current ones being a single 'race' (human, eldar, space marine) do we know if future triumvirates (if there are any) will follow the same trend?

 commander dante wrote:
Great!
No we need 30k v 40k Guilliman

On tabletop, 40k Guilliman will fold 30k Guilliman into a pretzel.

30k Guilliman gives out better army wide buffs, but i think if you keep things within 12" 40k Guilliman wins there too.

I am kind of dissapointed that the Nids have had no part to play so far. My only hope is that there will be a future release of books that centre around a mass tyranid incursion.

I expect the Xenos species (Necron, Tau, Ork and Nid) will be able to make significant gains with the Imperium so distracted by Abaddon and his Crusade.

So we may not see them covered until the Storm is over.

 daemonish wrote:
I am kind of dissapointed that the Nids have had no part to play so far. My only hope is that there will be a future release of books that centre around a mass tyranid incursion.

In fairness Chaos has always been "The great enemy" (thats literally one of the nicknames for the faction) so I don't begrudge them getting center stage for a bit, I suspect, if GW takes the approuch I'm expecting we'll see the 'nids featured later on,


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 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:
Not bad for some of the fanfic I've seen. It had me entertained. I say this will be a fun time for us all. Good job GW. Now make the first book after this devoted to Tyranids and I will put down more twenties than a depraved soul at a slaaneshi strip club.

I would be extremely interested to see what they did with a Tyranid triumvirate!

On that note, with all the current ones being a single 'race' (human, eldar, space marine) do we know if future triumvirates (if there are any) will follow the same trend?

honestly, I don't think the 'nids would work for a trimvurate. as the triumvirates are very character driven, which is something Tyranids aren't. (and the few 'nid characters we have have always felt somewhat clumsy to me) I'm kinda hoping GW does a campaign book ala wraith of magnus, or two, followed by a trilogy of books that handles the larger picture. and I think 'nids would be better used in a more focused campaign. Perhaps "the defence of Baal"? that brings out some fantastic new tyranid units as the 'nids adapt to changes in tatics and new units deployed...

Maybe in the grand finalle they can consume Sanguintis' biomass and use his genetic material as the basis for some monsterous 'nid that can be the "tyranid answer to primarchs"

>Monstrous Creature
feth you GW. I am honestly very annoyed by this.

BrianDavion wrote:
In fairness Chaos has always been "The great enemy" (thats literally one of the nicknames for the faction) so I don't begrudge them getting center stage for a bit...

Their moment on 'centre stage' resulted in 8 new Imperial miniatures and 3 new Eldar miniatures, a whole new Eldar faction and a Primarch returning from the dead.

Meanwhile, these, these and these remain on sale with no updates.

Hope we get a Gears of War 2 Prescott level speech from RG before starting the new Crusade!

"We will go to where they live, and where they breed....and we will DESTROY THEM!"

"THIS IS THE DAY WE CORRECT THE COURSE OF HUMAN HISTORY!!"

"THIS IS THE DAY WE ENSURE OUR SURVIVAL AS A SPECIES!"

God damn I love a good crusade. RG making the Imperium great again. He's no Dorn but by Joe we'll give it a shot!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
In fairness Chaos has always been "The great enemy" (thats literally one of the nicknames for the faction) so I don't begrudge them getting center stage for a bit...

Their moment on 'centre stage' resulted in 8 new Imperial miniatures and 3 new Eldar miniatures, a whole new Eldar faction and a Primarch returning from the dead.

Meanwhile, these, these and these remain on sale with no updates.

consider the Tzeetch stuff they just got. I'd not be suprised to see more stuff, keep in mind that this is 40ks anniversry and they're just getting started. I don't wanna speculate too much here (at the risk of generating rumors) but I'd be very suprised if we didn't see new stuff for chaos soon. (especially as the mutilator and obliterators are an obvious canidate for a duel kit)

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Hope we get a Gears of War 2 Prescott level speech from RG before starting the new Crusade!

"We will go to where they live, and where they breed....and we will DESTROY THEM!"

"THIS IS THE DAY WE CORRECT THE COURSE OF HUMAN HISTORY!!"

"THIS IS THE DAY WE ENSURE OUR SURVIVAL AS A SPECIES!"

God damn I love a good crusade. RG making the Imperium great again. He's no Dorn but by Joe we'll give it a shot!

That would be good - if he does not sucumb to the whole "why am I alive element"

Two things:

Does anybody else think the fallen weren't even painted? They look photoshopped. They're in the exact same pose as the company vets.

I think Girlyman looks kind of... bad. Admittedly I do mainly play Horus Heresy. I think Valdor would put up a good fight.

I suspect they're in the same pose as DA company vetsd because thats what they are mini wise

BrianDavion wrote:
I suspect they're in the same pose as DA company vetsd because thats what they are mini wise

They're posable minis...

Even the highlights are identical!

Yeah they're definitely photoshopped.

It's not even that they're posed the same: they're also positioned exactly the same in images for both sets!

I'm wondering if the fallen will get actual rules or just some stupid codex marines thing.

I've got some unmarked Iron Hands I want to try them out with.

 Mantle wrote:
350 points? Is that right? I think Magnus got a sore deal even with him being a flying monstrous creature.

an FMC with a lot of psychic ability

 Crazyterran wrote:
A slow model that can't join units since he's a mc, costs 350 points, and all his command abilities only work within 12", which will quickly be out paced.

If he had been an extremely bulky infantry he could have been worth it, but MC killed him.

Unless he has IC and I missed it, the most he will do is die to a round of grav fire.

My Tyranids are playing tiny violins for you :-D