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2017/03/10 16:36:14
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
Is there a summary of Hastings and Sad Panda's rumours anywhere in this thread?
"We are the Red Sorcerers of Prospero, damned in the eyes of our fellows, and this is to be how our story ends, in betrayal and bloodshed. No...you may find it nobler to suffer your fate, but I will take arms against it."
2017/03/10 16:37:06
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
"We are the Red Sorcerers of Prospero, damned in the eyes of our fellows, and this is to be how our story ends, in betrayal and bloodshed. No...you may find it nobler to suffer your fate, but I will take arms against it."
2017/03/10 16:40:57
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
Gamgee wrote: Hastings mix up Custodes and new marines? I doubt it. He has been a 40k fan for years and years. If he knows the difference between DW and normal marines to leak that years ago then he almost certainly knows about custodes. If these were cutodes he would just say custodes. He specifies NEW marines. He did say he knew about the plot in the three GS3 books a long time before any of us.
It seems incredibly unlikely he would get custodes (which appear in the very book GS3) and Gullimarines mixed up.
Sounds like wishful thinking to me to deny your new gullimarine overlords.
But don't all the ultraultramarine details come from some rando on 4chan rather than Hastings
Dead account, no takesy-backsies
2017/03/10 16:42:56
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
I thought Guilliman's blood was tainted with poison? Hence the whole life support system on his new armor. How are they going to get around this - some new form of dialysis? If that's the case, why not do the same to Roboute himself?
This is stupid. I don't buy it.
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2017/03/10 16:47:23
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
I thought Guilliman's blood was tainted with poison? Hence the whole life support system on his new armor. How are they going to get around this - some new form of dialysis? If that's the case, why not do the same to Roboute himself?
This is stupid. I don't buy it.
Probably since this has been in the works for about 10k years they probably used RG blood from before stasis, but who knows...
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2017/03/10 17:11:37
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
Gamgee wrote: Hastings mix up Custodes and new marines? I doubt it. He has been a 40k fan for years and years. If he knows the difference between DW and normal marines to leak that years ago then he almost certainly knows about custodes. If these were cutodes he would just say custodes. He specifies NEW marines. He did say he knew about the plot in the three GS3 books a long time before any of us.
It seems incredibly unlikely he would get custodes (which appear in the very book GS3) and Gullimarines mixed up.
Sounds like wishful thinking to me to deny your new gullimarine overlords.
But don't all the ultraultramarine details come from some rando on 4chan rather than Hastings
This is what hastings has said directly on the matter. The source is the comment section on war for sigmar where hastings is dropping this info. So he has said stuff on the matter. He says the new marines will be better in every way than normal marines. Like sigmarines to Empire soldiers in AoS. The 4chan poster is the one to describe the model though.
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/03/40k-rumors-guilliman-planning-new-space-marines.html
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2017/03/10 17:18:24
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
I'm not sure it should be alarm bells for "super marines" just yet. The larger scale might be just reflective of the larger scale already seen with the Death Watch and Rubic Marines. The scale shift is already in progress. Rather than just having it happen with new releases, they give a fluff justification.
2017/03/10 17:24:52
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
Your glossing over everything hastings said.Hastings has an 80% correct rate on the tracker. Ah well not much else to say now it's all been said. Just waiting for adepticon now. MEA releases that same week. I hope it's good or there's two things to get butthurt about kek.
2017/03/10 17:26:34
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
From the summary of GS3 one wrote on Bolter and Chainsword:
Spoiler:
Yvraine speaks up, explaining that the power she wields as the Emissary of Ynnead will be key to restoring Guilliman. But such power is not wielded without sacrifice – for Guilliman to live again, he must first die.
...she notices Cawl, Tigurius and the Ynnari standing next to Guilliman’s stasis-pod....
Calgar notices the commotion too, and watches in horror as Yvraine raises her sword above Guilliman. He shouts a command to Tigurius, ordering him to stop the xenos witch, but Tigurius shakes his head in response as Yvraine cuts through the power cables sustaining the stasis field. The auto-reliquary that Cawl had been transporting then unfurls, and engulfs Guilliman.
...when the lights on the auto-reliquary blink from red to green. With a hiss, the arms of the auto-reliquary fold back and stepping out with a breathtaking splendour strides Roboute Guilliman.
It sounds to me as if the poison is gone with his first death.
At the end he wrote: New Armies would be raised, in numbers not seen since the days of the Great Crusade. From Cawl’s forges on Mars would come new and terrible weapons whose fury the worshippers of Chaos would be unable to stand.
No word about advanced Space Marines
2017/03/10 17:46:08
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
silent25 wrote: I'm not sure it should be alarm bells for "super marines" just yet. The larger scale might be just reflective of the larger scale already seen with the Death Watch and Rubic Marines. The scale shift is already in progress. Rather than just having it happen with new releases, they give a fluff justification.
Hastings says the new marines will be better in every way than normal marines. Like sigmarines to Empire soldiers. Not that there just bigger or true scale but "Better in every way" specifically they are stronger, faster and tougher.
Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis
2017/03/10 17:59:43
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
A Chaos Daemon SC that has existed as is for quite a while so isn't actually new or modified beyond simply getting a bigger, easier to target model. You know, unlike Celestine's new kit, or Cawl, or Greyfax, or the Ynnari lot, or Roboute.....
And a 750 point 1 Legion only LoW that's a FMC and becomes useless if a 140 point Culexus assassin stands near it. P.S. Sisters of Silence do the same thing to it as well.
No, methinks they do not really compare.
As it stands the new Imperial and Eldar SCs will pretty much dumpster the Chaos SCs by default.
It's really, really sad how GW try to set up these fluff battles without realising that trying to re-enact them would be a farce.
Now only a CSM player.
2017/03/10 18:07:02
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
Its easy for me to think that (and indeed I hope that) internally custodes are thought of a super space marine variant. If thatz the case Hastings would still very much be correct.
Gamgee wrote: Your glossing over everything hastings said.Hastings has an 80% correct rate on the tracker. Ah well not much else to say now it's all been said. Just waiting for adepticon now. MEA releases that same week. I hope it's good or there's two things to get butthurt about kek.
80% isn't 100%
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
2017/03/10 18:45:42
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
Gamgee wrote:Your glossing over everything hastings said.Hastings has an 80% correct rate on the tracker. Ah well not much else to say now it's all been said. Just waiting for adepticon now. MEA releases that same week. I hope it's good or there's two things to get butthurt about kek.
SeanDrake wrote:
silent25 wrote: I'm not sure it should be alarm bells for "super marines" just yet. The larger scale might be just reflective of the larger scale already seen with the Death Watch and Rubic Marines. The scale shift is already in progress. Rather than just having it happen with new releases, they give a fluff justification.
Hastings says the new marines will be better in every way than normal marines. Like sigmarines to Empire soldiers. Not that there just bigger or true scale but "Better in every way" specifically they are stronger, faster and tougher.
No I understand that point. I'm just saying these are likely just at the scale already releases. When stood next to a Death Watch, they will be the same size.
2017/03/10 19:28:28
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
It's by no means a foregone conclusion and we know some embellishments/misinformation usually accompany legitimate leaks so there's definitely room for doubt here. Wait and see.
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Dead account, no takesy-backsies
2017/03/10 19:57:31
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
I'm wondering if these super marines won't be made from humans but from regular marines; humans go through an 'upgrade' to become space marines, with the new process being a further 'upgrade' to super marines.
Firefox1 wrote: From the summary of GS3 one wrote on Bolter and Chainsword:
Spoiler:
Yvraine speaks up, explaining that the power she wields as the Emissary of Ynnead will be key to restoring Guilliman. But such power is not wielded without sacrifice – for Guilliman to live again, he must first die.
...she notices Cawl, Tigurius and the Ynnari standing next to Guilliman’s stasis-pod....
Calgar notices the commotion too, and watches in horror as Yvraine raises her sword above Guilliman. He shouts a command to Tigurius, ordering him to stop the xenos witch, but Tigurius shakes his head in response as Yvraine cuts through the power cables sustaining the stasis field. The auto-reliquary that Cawl had been transporting then unfurls, and engulfs Guilliman.
...when the lights on the auto-reliquary blink from red to green. With a hiss, the arms of the auto-reliquary fold back and stepping out with a breathtaking splendour strides Roboute Guilliman.
It sounds to me as if the poison is gone with his first death.
At the end he wrote: New Armies would be raised, in numbers not seen since the days of the Great Crusade. From Cawl’s forges on Mars would come new and terrible weapons whose fury the worshippers of Chaos would be unable to stand.
No word about advanced Space Marines
Let me see if I understand this correctly:
Spoiler:
Eldar healed his soul while Cawl healed his body. The poison was removed after he died.
So the reason he cannot take off his armor is because that will result in death of his soul?
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"I do not care who knows the truth now, tomorrow, or in ten thousand years. Loyalty is its own reward."
2017/03/10 20:16:21
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
I thought Guilliman's blood was tainted with poison? Hence the whole life support system on his new armor. How are they going to get around this - some new form of dialysis? If that's the case, why not do the same to Roboute himself?
This is stupid. I don't buy it.
It gets even better. Guilliman can't even take off his armor, lol.
Spoiler:
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Fang, son of Great Fang, the traitor we seek, The laws of the brethren say this: That only the king sees the crown of the gods, And he, the usurper, must die.
Mother earth is pregnant for the third time, for y'all have knocked her up. I have tasted the maggots in the mind of the universe, but I was not offended. For I knew I had to rise above it all, or drown in my own gak.
2017/03/10 20:25:27
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
I thought Guilliman's blood was tainted with poison? Hence the whole life support system on his new armor. How are they going to get around this - some new form of dialysis? If that's the case, why not do the same to Roboute himself?
This is stupid. I don't buy it.
It gets even better. Guilliman can't even take off his armor, lol.
Spoiler:
Wait, why is that stupid? That's not a half bad idea, no more idiotic than Vulkan being a perpetual
I thought Guilliman's blood was tainted with poison? Hence the whole life support system on his new armor. How are they going to get around this - some new form of dialysis? If that's the case, why not do the same to Roboute himself?
This is stupid. I don't buy it.
It gets even better. Guilliman can't even take off his armor, lol.
Wait, why is that stupid? That's not a half bad idea, no more idiotic than Vulkan being a perpetual
I have a sneaking suspicion whatever "ailment" is keeping him in his armour and this "pain" he constantly felt will be "healed" with his visit to the Big E.
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2017/03/10 22:12:06
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
Grey Templar wrote: The Riptide can't be a giant death robot, its completely lacking a sword or massive chainsaw. All giant death robots have swords or massive chainsaws.
2017/03/10 22:15:29
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
I wonder if they'll create the NuMarines as a new faction, maybe a new Legion for the new Crusade, instead of kit for current Chapters? That certainly wouldn't sit well with some Chapters.
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
2017/03/11 02:51:57
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
JohnnyHell wrote: I wonder if they'll create the NuMarines as a new faction, maybe a new Legion for the new Crusade, instead of kit for current Chapters? That certainly wouldn't sit well with some Chapters.
I kind of just hope it is an improvement on the process in making SM. These new, even better, SM will have more to them but take longer to make...that kind of thing.
Fang, son of Great Fang, the traitor we seek, The laws of the brethren say this: That only the king sees the crown of the gods, And he, the usurper, must die.
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