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 cuda1179 wrote:
Actually, according to the Government the average illegal immigrant recieved more back in tax returns than they ever contribute

I think this is an extremely dubious claim and I don't believe you.

 Frazzled wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Part of the subsidization of in-state tuition comes from taxes on purchases/services within the state. So unless they're entirely self-sufficient, growing everything they need and living from streams or whatever--they're paying part of that subsidization.

And, as of the last article on the subject that I read (admittedly, 2 years ago now) in the state of California, undocumented immigrants are "Worth" about 2 billion in state/local taxes. In some jurisdictions within California, they provide the bulk of the tax input for that location, so it's not like they are contributing what amounts to nothing.

Actually, according to the Government the average illegal immigrant recieved more back in tax returns than they ever contribute. Illegal immigrants contribute about 12 billion in taxes (that's all taxes, property, sales, income, gasoline, etc) in a fiscal year. That's about $980 per person. Far, far below the national average.

Of course that means those are all stolen SS #s which are royally ing the people who have those SS#s.

Actually, you don't need a SS number to file your taxes. You can just apply for a Personal Identification Number instead. Legally speaking, there is no requirement that anyone actually get a social security number, no one can force you, and employers can't discriminate against you for not having one.


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 Spinner wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Part of the subsidization of in-state tuition comes from taxes on purchases/services within the state. So unless they're entirely self-sufficient, growing everything they need and living from streams or whatever--they're paying part of that subsidization.

And, as of the last article on the subject that I read (admittedly, 2 years ago now) in the state of California, undocumented immigrants are "Worth" about 2 billion in state/local taxes. In some jurisdictions within California, they provide the bulk of the tax input for that location, so it's not like they are contributing what amounts to nothing.

Actually, according to the Government the average illegal immigrant recieved more back in tax returns than they ever contribute. Illegal immigrants contribute about 12 billion in taxes (that's all taxes, property, sales, income, gasoline, etc) in a fiscal year. That's about $980 per person. Far, far below the national average.

Got a source? Because at this point, 'according to the Government' could potentially mean 'Donald Trump's Twitter account'.

Ask and you shall receive. You might need to go back and forth a little to put the info into context.

http://www.justfactsdaily.com/illegal-immigrants-and-federal-income-taxes/
http://cis.org/north/its-tax-refund-time-illegal-aliens
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/05/tax-credits-for-illegal-immigrants/
http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/james-agresti/about-61-million-illegals-filed-taxes-us-many-didnt-pay-received-refunds

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Dreadwinter wrote:
I feel like if you are brave enough to make the trip through Mexico to the US, then make it across the border and survive without getting caught, you are the type of go getter we need here in America,

I more or less agree, but that doesn't suddenly make them legal. We need accessible means for people like this to gain legal access. That way we can be more strict on illegal immigrants while maintaining part of what makes the US so great in the first place. At the end of the day immigration isn't going to disappear so we need to decide how we manage the immigrants.

The problem with all of this, is that a lot of this is tied into false economic narratives. If you look at the majority of the work being done by undocumented workers, it's the type that, despite GOP supporters crying out "they are taking our jobs!!!" are the exact type of work that most GOP supporters frown on, and refuse to do. It's also the type of work that the CEOs for the companies the work is being done for, don't want to be forced to pay more fore, in part because it will show what a lie and a scam they've been running for years, with their trickle-down policy efforts.

Thats part of what I am referring to. There is value in having these immigrants come over, but they do not have reasonable means to do so legally. We should create a situation where they can come here and work legally rather than illegally, because for one reason or another they will be here anyway.

 Frazzled wrote:

 feeder wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:


And if you're the people competing for those jobs, who's wages get trashed because of it, well those guys right?

Well, are you a libertarian or aren't you, Frazz?

I am the son of a man who worked in a dying industry and was laid off for two years and watched it nearly destroy him. I think you might gain the barest of an inkling how I feel about it.

But you are fine with legal immigrants coming to compete with the same jobs? Don't you see how that amounts to a double standard?
You just want to conserve the market advantage you feel entitled to, given where you where expelled from your mother's womb. At any cost. "Feth those kids who've lived all there lives here, as long as I can get my kid in university before them!"
Digusting.

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 feeder wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:


And if you're the people competing for those jobs, who's wages get trashed because of it, well those guys right?

Well, are you a libertarian or aren't you, Frazz?

I am the son of a man who worked in a dying industry and was laid off for two years and watched it nearly destroy him. I think you might gain the barest of an inkling how I feel about it.

But you are fine with legal immigrants coming to compete with the same jobs? Don't you see how that amounts to a double standard?
You just want to conserve the market advantage you feel entitled to, given where you where expelled from your mother's womb. At any cost. "Feth those kids who've lived all there lives here, as long as I can get my kid in university before them!"
Digusting.

That's an oversimplification and exaggeration of Fraz's position. That's not what Fraz was arguing and really just undermines your position by resorting to such tactics. Not to mention being downright hostile.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Hey look I spotted the 'everything that isn't liberal agenda gets shot down' argument! Looks like the GOP supporters ran out of evidence once again. At least Whembly has the dignity to fall silent rather than throw up that lame excuse.

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 Kovnik Obama wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 feeder wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:


And if you're the people competing for those jobs, who's wages get trashed because of it, well those guys right?

Well, are you a libertarian or aren't you, Frazz?

I am the son of a man who worked in a dying industry and was laid off for two years and watched it nearly destroy him. I think you might gain the barest of an inkling how I feel about it.

But you are fine with legal immigrants coming to compete with the same jobs? Don't you see how that amounts to a double standard?
You just want to conserve the market advantage you feel entitled to, given where you where expelled from your mother's womb. At any cost. "Feth those kids who've lived all there lives here, as long as I can get my kid in university before them!"
Digusting.

You do understand resources like these are finite... right?

I'm just wondering what everyone thinks the biggest story in US politics is right now?

Is it the absolute fail of the AHCA, which came after 6 years and 60 something pretend repeal attempts against ACA. I mean, I don't think it was that amazing that Republicans turned out to not actually have a plan for replacement, nor was it that much news that their plan failed, healthcare reform is hard. But Republicans giving up after three weeks was amazing.

Or is the actual AHCA bill itself a bigger story? The bill at its core was a trillion dollar tax cut for the rich, funded by cuts to medicaid and insurance subsidies. There was nothing done to mitigate this or even to conceal it, and as a result the bill was exactly as popular as you'd expect, with one poll at 17% approve. Despite this, Republicans still got about 200 representatives to agree to vote for this thing. About 85% of Republican House Reps saw a bill that worked to remove insurance coverage from 24 million people in order to fund a tax cut for the rich, saw it was horrifically unpopular, and agreed to sign on anyway. That is an incredibly brazen admission of what the Republican party is really about.

Or is the biggest story right now that after a bunch of Republicans attached to the Trump campaign/administration were caught lying about their contacts with Russian government officials, now there's more Republicans acting to distract, disrupt or delay inquiries in to the Trump campaign/administration's connections to Russia? I mean, while at this point we don't know exactly what the connections are, it would take an act of wilful delusion to pretend we aren't seeing an attempt at a cover up.

 reds8n wrote:
It's amazing quite how well you've learned from the Russians.

Yep. Trump takes repeated trips to one of his favourite golf clubs, and says it is to meet with important people, and that he won't be playing any golf. But he won't give the name of a single person he's meeting with. Then we find out that there's been $16k in golf buggies rented by the secret service to follow Trump around... as he sits in his meeting room meeting with people.

I mean, I get it, it's politics, people lie. But normally there is some kind of plausibility to those lies. Trump is very different, happy to tell blatant lies about the most petty things, believing there is just no political blowback to being caught telling an obvious lie. It is, as you say, much more in the Russian tradition of politics than the American.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Ask and you shall receive. You might need to go back and forth a little to put the info into context.

http://www.justfactsdaily.com/illegal-immigrants-and-federal-income-taxes

Some facts one can learn from your first source:

The Bush Administration didn't lie about WMDs
Global Warming is mostly made up bs
George W Bush didn't sign a SOFA that required the withdrawal of troops from Iraq
The south isn't really that racist

This is a site run by a guy who wrote a book claiming you can scientifically prove the Bible is true and evolution is a lie

I didn't read the rest of your links because I realize now literally anything else I do with my time is a better use

Article on the BBC regarding the Steele 'Dossier'

Shared with comment.

 Ouze wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Ask and you shall receive. You might need to go back and forth a little to put the info into context.

http://www.justfactsdaily.com/illegal-immigrants-and-federal-income-taxes

Some facts one can learn from your first source:

The Bush Administration didn't lie about WMDs
Global Warming is mostly made up bs
George W Bush didn't sign a SOFA that required the withdrawal of troops from Iraq
The south isn't really that racist

This is a site run by a guy who wrote a book claiming you can scientifically prove the Bible is true and evolution is a lie

I didn't read the rest of your links because I realize now literally anything else I do with my time is a better use

Even a blind Squirrel finds a nut once in a while. In all fairness, I provided links that sited their sources, including the IRS itself. Note how you haven't even tried to disprove any of it. Care to provide your own sources?

Using the freely available IRS data "72 percent of ITIN filers paid no income tax and received cash payments through child tax credits" That tax credit could be up to $1000 per child.

Just a quick look, but did you notice two of your sources seem to be identical? the justfactsfaily one and CNS. They seem to be the same article by the same person.

That's.....that's nepotism. That's not draining the Swamp

 cuda1179 wrote:
Even a blind Squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

Let me look at my clock. Yeah, it's broken, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. So, it's 3PM.

I still can't believe what I just heard on the radio. It was an actual audio clip from a recent interview with Paul Ryan about the newest GOP attempts at healthcare, and his response to the possibility that Trump might try working with the Democrats was "that's not conservative".
Like trying to work together is a bad thing.

Honestly though, despite the parody of Republicans as the "party of personal responsibility" the current actions of the party make complete sense if you think of the Republicans as the party of individualism. It's just that the current policies are all the insane, crazy parts of individualism rather than the sound ones.

I seem to hear and read that the hearings concerning the Trump/Russia connection are cancelled/put on hold.

Does anybody know anything about this?

 feeder wrote:
It is if America is all they've known or essentially known.

Hypothetical: it turns out your parents were Czechs that overstayed their visa and suddenly you get deported to your 'home' country of Czechia. I'm sure you'd be thrilled.

I wouldn't be thrilled with my parents, because it was their poor decision that put us in that predicament

 feeder wrote:
Look, don't get the idea that I think everyone in the world should be allowed to fly to the US and become a citizen tomorrow. I'm talking very specifically about kids who are already there and are already de facto Americans. They grew up there and have little or no ties to their "home" country. These people exist and should be encouraged to become productive members of the society they are already a part of.

I absolutely encourage them to become productive members of the society they are a part of by applying for citizenship like everyone else who wishes to become part of a new country

 feeder wrote:
Fair enough, but that's fantasy land.

Meanwhile, we have real people living in real situations and we should be encouraging them to better themselves for the good of society.

Encouraging people to be better and enforcing immigration laws are not mutually exclusive. Do you know what else works for the good of society? Abiding by the laws of that society


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 Dreadwinter wrote:
Maybe we should set a higher minimum and then legalize all of the illegal immigrants. Then they will contribute and the companies would be required to pay them a living wage. This would also help with bringing money in to communities, because now these illegal immigrants are making more money so they can spend a little more. Helping local business.

OR WE COULD BUILD THAT WALL!!!!!!!!

So if the illegal immigrants are currently being hired because they are cheap, off the book labor what do you think happens when we make them citizens and hike the minimum wage? Those illegal immigrants who adjust their status are not being hired because their labor costs increased, and with loosely enforced border controls unscrupulous employers will keep hiring people who come across illegally because they don't need to pay a minimum wage.

The majority of illegal immigrants are economic immigrants. Start to more heavily penalize employers and make e-verify mandatory and the issue will start to resolve itself


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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
We should create a situation where they can come here and work legally rather than illegally, because for one reason or another they will be here anyway.

We already have that;
https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/employment/temporary.html
https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/employment.html


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 Kovnik Obama wrote:
But you are fine with legal immigrants coming to compete with the same jobs? Don't you see how that amounts to a double standard?
You just want to conserve the market advantage you feel entitled to, given where you where expelled from your mother's womb. At any cost. "Feth those kids who've lived all there lives here, as long as I can get my kid in university before them!"
Digusting.

The only thing that is disgusting is that strawman you're building

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Dreadwinter wrote:
I feel like if you are brave enough to make the trip through Mexico to the US, then make it across the border and survive without getting caught, you are the type of go getter we need here in America,

I more or less agree, but that doesn't suddenly make them legal. We need accessible means for people like this to gain legal access. That way we can be more strict on illegal immigrants while maintaining part of what makes the US so great in the first place. At the end of the day immigration isn't going to disappear so we need to decide how we manage the immigrants.

The problem with all of this, is that a lot of this is tied into false economic narratives. If you look at the majority of the work being done by undocumented workers, it's the type that, despite GOP supporters crying out "they are taking our jobs!!!" are the exact type of work that most GOP supporters frown on, and refuse to do. It's also the type of work that the CEOs for the companies the work is being done for, don't want to be forced to pay more fore, in part because it will show what a lie and a scam they've been running for years, with their trickle-down policy efforts.



In other news, there is this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2017/03/28/white-house-staff-to-skip-correspondents-dinner-in-solidarity-with-trump/?utm_term=.aa68228b0bb9
Apparently, because Cheeto-in-Chief can't take a joke, neither can anyone else.... Bunch of thin-skinned whiners.

IMO this argument is weak but I at least ask you this question. So all these jobs that "people don't want to do" the jobs that undocumented people take. Would these jobs simply not get done if not for undocumented workers? Or would these jobs be done by citizens for a legal wage? I think the answer is pretty obvious but what do you think?

No one wants to be a trash man. However being a job working for a city usually - you are going to have to be a citizen on the books to get paid...guess what? Trash men get paid pretty well - because jobs people don't want to do should offer more pay than the ones that people want to do. Pretty simple market principles here.

They're not talking about trash man jobs, Xeno. They're talking about jobs working the fields or digging ditches or working in sweatshops.

In Oklahoma City the trashman (at least when I talked to them a while ago) makes more than the medic on the ambulance.

But yeah, it's not like fruit is left rotting in the fields when migrant labor isn't around to pick them or anything like that.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
They're not talking about trash man jobs, Xeno. They're talking about jobs working the fields or digging ditches or working in sweatshops.

Working in fields and digging ditches is hard work. You should get paid over minimum wage to do them. If there weren't people walking around begging to work for less than minimum wage - these jobs would be filled by Americans on a legal wage. That is all I am saying. You don't just dig a ditch to dig a ditch - you dig a ditch to clear the way for a big construction project which almost certain has the budget to afford this labor.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
They're not talking about trash man jobs, Xeno. They're talking about jobs working the fields or digging ditches or working in sweatshops.

Working in fields and digging ditches is hard work. You should get paid over minimum wage to do them. If there weren't people walking around begging to work for less than minimum wage - these jobs would be filled by Americans on a legal wage. That is all I am saying. You don't just dig a ditch to dig a ditch - you dig a ditch to clear the way for a big construction project which almost certain has the budget to afford this labor.

Do you honestly believe this to be the case?

Those jobs have, here in the US, had a tradition of being done by poor immigrant labor.
The Irish on the East Coast in relation to the railroads and the Chinese on the West Coast for the railroads immediately spring to mind.
And that's not getting into the whole sharecropper thing post-Civil War.

 d-usa wrote:
In Oklahoma City the trashman (at least when I talked to them a while ago) makes more than the medic on the ambulance.

But yeah, it's not like fruit is left rotting in the fields when migrant labor isn't around to pick them or anything like that.

- Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

- Right - so I really don't like the argument that migrants just do jobs that Americans don't want to do. Not only does it make Americans seem lazy and unwilling to do hard work - which I don't think is true. It tries to justify migrants taking jobs from American's by saying American's don't want to do this work - that's not true - Americans will do this work if the price is right.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
In Oklahoma City the trashman (at least when I talked to them a while ago) makes more than the medic on the ambulance.

But yeah, it's not like fruit is left rotting in the fields when migrant labor isn't around to pick them or anything like that.

- Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

- Right - so I really don't like the argument that migrants just do jobs that Americans don't want to do. Not only does it make Americans seem lazy and unwilling to do hard work - which I don't think is true. It tries to justify migrants taking jobs from American's by saying American's don't want to do this work - that's not true - Americans will do this work if the price is right.

And there's the statement I expected right frigging there.

Americans want to be paid a certain amount for what they consider a "menial" job, yet they also want to whine about foreigners(some of whom were doctors or scientists in the area that they came from) taking those exact jobs from them.
It's not an implication of "Americans being lazy", it comes down to the fact that for these kinds of people they complain and complain about >insert ethnicity here< taking jobs from them or suckling away at welfare programs--when they're on those exact welfare programs and receiving assistance that they don't realize where it comes from.

Look at how many Trumpers didn't even know that the Affordable Care Act is what was ensuring that they could get insurance. There is a very real disconnect between reality and the view of these people, skewed by the politicians that they follow and the media that they insist is "right" or "telling it like it is".

 Xenomancers wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
In Oklahoma City the trashman (at least when I talked to them a while ago) makes more than the medic on the ambulance.

But yeah, it's not like fruit is left rotting in the fields when migrant labor isn't around to pick them or anything like that.

- Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

- Right - so I really don't like the argument that migrants just do jobs that Americans don't want to do. Not only does it make Americans seem lazy and unwilling to do hard work - which I don't think is true. It tries to justify migrants taking jobs from American's by saying American's don't want to do this work - that's not true - Americans will do this work if the price is right.

Interesting choice of words there at the end, because that's the problem at the other end. Americans then won't buy the end product because the price will be too high. That's why we have cheap migrant labor and why we've sent jobs overseas: because it's cheap.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
They're not talking about trash man jobs, Xeno. They're talking about jobs working the fields or digging ditches or working in sweatshops.

Working in fields and digging ditches is hard work. You should get paid over minimum wage to do them. If there weren't people walking around begging to work for less than minimum wage - these jobs would be filled by Americans on a legal wage. That is all I am saying. You don't just dig a ditch to dig a ditch - you dig a ditch to clear the way for a big construction project which almost certain has the budget to afford this labor.

Do you honestly believe this to be the case?

Those jobs have, here in the US, had a tradition of being done by poor immigrant labor.
The Irish on the East Coast in relation to the railroads and the Chinese on the West Coast for the railroads immediately spring to mind.
And that's not getting into the whole sharecropper thing post-Civil War.

The world was a lot different then. The US was a lot different then. Indentured servitude, slavery, no minimum wages. The US was also in dire need of laborers to do the works of building a nation from nothing.

How can you compare that time to now? There aren't enough jobs to go around. 109 million people on welfare (granted some of these people do work) with a terribly low labor participation rate.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
They're not talking about trash man jobs, Xeno. They're talking about jobs working the fields or digging ditches or working in sweatshops.

Working in fields and digging ditches is hard work. You should get paid over minimum wage to do them. If there weren't people walking around begging to work for less than minimum wage - these jobs would be filled by Americans on a legal wage. That is all I am saying. You don't just dig a ditch to dig a ditch - you dig a ditch to clear the way for a big construction project which almost certain has the budget to afford this labor.

Do you honestly believe this to be the case?

Those jobs have, here in the US, had a tradition of being done by poor immigrant labor.
The Irish on the East Coast in relation to the railroads and the Chinese on the West Coast for the railroads immediately spring to mind.
And that's not getting into the whole sharecropper thing post-Civil War.

The world was a lot different then. The US was a lot different then. Indentured servitude, slavery, no minimum wages. The US was also in dire need of laborers to do the works of building a nation from nothing.

This is a false equivalency. The US, as of the time of the Civil War and the shoddy treatment given to the Irish and Chinese railway workers was an established country.

How can you compare that time to now? There aren't enough jobs to go around. 109 million people on welfare (granted some of these people do work) with a terribly low labor participation rate.

There's a low labor participation rate because of the fact that companies are not creating jobs. Every single time this argument of "low labor participation rate" gets brought up, it's important to remember that there is a lot more to it than that.

More and more of the kinds of jobs that would have been done by the kinds of people on welfare? They're automated now. An assembly line now doesn't need fifty people with virtually no education beyond "Insert tab A into slot B, pass to next station"--it needs someone who can potentially spot issues with the programming or mechanics with specialized training to ensure that things flow smoothly.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
In Oklahoma City the trashman (at least when I talked to them a while ago) makes more than the medic on the ambulance.

But yeah, it's not like fruit is left rotting in the fields when migrant labor isn't around to pick them or anything like that.

- Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

- Right - so I really don't like the argument that migrants just do jobs that Americans don't want to do. Not only does it make Americans seem lazy and unwilling to do hard work - which I don't think is true. It tries to justify migrants taking jobs from American's by saying American's don't want to do this work - that's not true - Americans will do this work if the price is right.

Hope you enjoy your 15 dollar carton of OJ maybe then the party of small government will deem it worthy to raise minimum wage to 9.50 an hour

Steelmage99 wrote:
I seem to hear and read that the hearings concerning the Trump/Russia connection are cancelled/put on hold.

Does anybody know anything about this?

Devin Nunes, Republican and chair of the House Investigative Committee, abruptly cancelled his meeting with former acting AG Sally Yates. She's the one that Bush fired after she said she wouldn't enforce his travel ban. But she's also the person that was briefed about Michael Flynn's conversations with Russia, and who will state that the official Whitehouse line given about what they knew and when was not true. Obviously the Trump administration and the Republican party can't have that, so they're doing what they can to delay testimony. First the Whitehouse, through Jeff Sessions heading up the Dept of Justice, argued that Yates couldn't testify as she was under client confidence, without Whitehouse permission. Yates and her lawyer disagree, saying it is inconsistent with past congressional inquiries, particularly on matters where many other officials have already made public statements to the committee.

Thing is though, the Trump admin doesn't want the PR hit of actually forbidding Yates from testifying, that would make it obvious they're silencing her because she will show Pence and the others who went on the record about what the Whitehouse knew about Flynn and when were lying. So they're instead decided to not say yes or no. Yates can't testify until she gets a yes, it will be another obvious part of the cover up if Trump says no, and so they just didn't answer.

Obviously you can't do that forever, so they hatched a plan with their man Nunes in the investigative committee, that he would cancel the hearing with Yates, and then just not schedule a new one. That way the Trump admin won't ever have to pick between letting Yates testify and prove them liars, or prevent her and show once again that they're engaged in a cover up.

It would look suss, and wouldn't actually be within Nunes power to block only Yates from testifying, but what he has absolute power over is the scheduling of future committee hearings. So Nunes plan at this point is to just not call another committee hearing.

It's still a dumb plan, obviously, the whole thing is absolutely transparent and is still nothing more than a stalling plan that kicks the problem down the road for another month or so. But it's like that great line from "All The President's Men";
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand."

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
In Oklahoma City the trashman (at least when I talked to them a while ago) makes more than the medic on the ambulance.

But yeah, it's not like fruit is left rotting in the fields when migrant labor isn't around to pick them or anything like that.

- Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

- Right - so I really don't like the argument that migrants just do jobs that Americans don't want to do. Not only does it make Americans seem lazy and unwilling to do hard work - which I don't think is true. It tries to justify migrants taking jobs from American's by saying American's don't want to do this work - that's not true - Americans will do this work if the price is right.

Interesting choice of words there at the end, because that's the problem at the other end. Americans then won't buy the end product because the price will be too high. That's why we have cheap migrant labor and why we've sent jobs overseas: because it's cheap.

Sending jobs oversees is just another way companies get around paying minimum wage for labor. Laws could be made to dissuade this behavior- regulations/taxes/incentives to hire Americans. Havn't seen anything on this front from trump though. Hes much more concerned about digging up tundra to lay pipe.