Yodhrin wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
If it does turn out to be 120 quid, meaning somewhere around 90 from online discounters, that will either be stupendous value for money or else the prices for individual Titans are going to be much lower than I was expecting. Either way, it would be reason to celebrate, but I'm going to continue believing the 180 quid rumour until we get official confirmation to guard against disappointment.

Not necessarily. Renegade gave us a crusader and a warden and terrain for 120. But a Warden alone is what, £90?

So it follows (potentially) that if Titanicus is £120, that's where the value is, but you pay a high premium for individual warlords / Reavers etc.

/edit - or maybe I misunderstand you. Are you saying that they might "cut" the value from the starter box, but instead give us cheaper standalones?

No I'm going by the rumour that the "bonus" value in the big box would be about equivalent to a free Warlord. Considering the box appears to contain the rulebook, rules starter pack(terminals, dice, cards, doodads etc), two warlords, two knight lances, and a box of terrain then if it clocks in at 120, either the box is a lot better value or some of the stuff inside is a lot cheaper than we thought it would be. I mean, assume old-Knight price for each Warlord, another 25 quid for each lance of knights, maybe 15 for the rules pack and 25 for the terrain? That'd be well over 200 quid's worth of stuff. At 180 RRP, the "free Warlord" comment makes sense, but at 120? It'd be practically half price compared to buying everything individually at those prices. Or, maybe we're overestimating how much they'll be asking for the Titans individually, if they're more like 50 bob for a Warlord and 15 quid for a lance of knights, 120 works.

Either way it would be great, but as I say I won't buy it until GW confirm it because it does seem like too good a bargain even for today's supposedly-reformed GW.

changemod wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
If it does turn out to be 120 quid, meaning somewhere around 90 from online discounters, that will either be stupendous value for money or else the prices for individual Titans are going to be much lower than I was expecting. Either way, it would be reason to celebrate, but I'm going to continue believing the 180 quid rumour until we get official confirmation to guard against disappointment.

Not necessarily. Renegade gave us a crusader and a warden and terrain for 120. But a Warden alone is what, £90?

So it follows (potentially) that if Titanicus is £120, that's where the value is, but you pay a high premium for individual warlords / Reavers etc.

/edit - or maybe I misunderstand you. Are you saying that they might "cut" the value from the starter box, but instead give us cheaper standalones?

No I'm going by the rumour that the "bonus" value in the big box would be about equivalent to a free Warlord. Considering the box appears to contain the rulebook, rules starter pack(terminals, dice, cards, doodads etc), two warlords, two knight lances, and a box of terrain then if it clocks in at 120, either the box is a lot better value or some of the stuff inside is a lot cheaper than we thought it would be. I mean, assume old-Knight price for each Warlord, another 25 quid for each lance of knights, maybe 15 for the rules pack and 25 for the terrain? That'd be well over 200 quid's worth of stuff. At 180 RRP, the "free Warlord" comment makes sense, but at 120? It'd be practically half price compared to buying everything individually at those prices. Or, maybe we're overestimating how much they'll be asking for the Titans individually, if they're more like 50 bob for a Warlord and 15 quid for a lance of knights, 120 works.

Either way it would be great, but as I say I won't buy it until GW confirm it because it does seem like too good a bargain even for today's supposedly-reformed GW.

If a warlord costs as much as a knight paladin, that’s widely overpriced for how much plastic you get even by GW standards.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
a few posts up the page here

 KTG17 wrote:
This size of these models are ridiculous.

I guess the fun of the game will be micro-managing the Warlord and others as they barely move on a 4x4 table, shooting 24 inches before moving into close combat that will take several turns to resolve. No room for movement, and judging by those city tiles, about as much strategy as Battletech. I mean with a model that big, you have to create a system that allows it to remain on a table for awhile, so its going to probably soak up a lot of damage. I am sure most games will come down to who has the last healthiest Warlord on the table.

£120 is about $150, but given this is GW, that would mean...$175?

 Overread wrote:
@Ktg17
In the old Titan Legions managing a titan was micro managing it. You had a reactor and power per turn which you had to allocate to different areas of its body (legs, weapons, head etc..) which would let you make attacks, move, boost performance, repair, run shields etc...

Barring big boards the warlords will not be manoeuvring so much as micro managing their attacks; the manoeuvring is the reavers, warhounds and knights etc.... The smaller and more nimble titanss which can duck past buildings and sweep in for surgical strikes.

 gorgon wrote:
I can’t imagine that it’ll be as low as 120. That’s wishful thinking that will end in disappointment, IMO.

The Renegade box didn’t include the equivalent of two boxes of Terminators (Knights) or all the terminals, etc. that AT will come with. The AT GM box will be 150 minimum and probably more like the rumored 180.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
I can’t imagine that it’ll be as low as 120. That’s wishful thinking that will end in disappointment, IMO.

The Renegade box didn’t include the equivalent of two boxes of Terminators (Knights) or all the terminals, etc. that AT will come with. The AT GM box will be 150 minimum and probably more like the rumored 180.

That punched cardstock (terminals, etc.) is surprisingly expensive.

Justyn wrote:

£120 is about $150, but given this is GW, that would mean...$175?

Imperial Knight: Renegade is 120 Pounds and 195 US. Despite 120 Pounds being about 155 US currently. I wouldn't be so annoyed with it except that they also force retailers to not ship to certain locations. GW seem bent on screwing Americans as hard as they can.

 Zethnar wrote:

Justyn wrote:

£120 is about $150, but given this is GW, that would mean...$175?

Imperial Knight: Renegade is 120 Pounds and 195 US. Despite 120 Pounds being about 155 US currently. I wouldn't be so annoyed with it except that they also force retailers to not ship to certain locations. GW seem bent on screwing Americans as hard as they can.

That's cute.

 Mysterio wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
a few posts up the page here

So just from speculation/wishing here, in this thread?

I mean, I'd be really happy if it was 'only' £120, but if our only 'source' for this is 'no source'...

£120 is about $150, but given this is GW, that would mean...$175?

Does GW dare to put out a $200 'starter' set?

 KTG17 wrote:


That sounds nice if the models were smaller. Suppose this game is a huge hit. And I hope it is. What are Eldar Phantoms and Ork Gargants going to look like? Both of those were larger than the old Warlords.

 KTG17 wrote:

 Overread wrote:
@Ktg17
In the old Titan Legions managing a titan was micro managing it. You had a reactor and power per turn which you had to allocate to different areas of its body (legs, weapons, head etc..) which would let you make attacks, move, boost performance, repair, run shields etc...

Yes, for the Imperator but not everyone else (the Mega Gargant has its own rules). But the Warlords were given orders like everyone else. It wasn't until they started taking damage did you have to worry about specifics. Plus while that model was the biggest on the board, it was still small enough to not physically dominate the board. Plus with all the other vehicles, infantry, etc, there was a lot to move and create tactics with. This game is going to have what? 6-12 models per side? Essentially everyone is just going to move those to the center of the board and blow each other up at point blank range. And being as tall as they are, shouldn't take too long to accomplish.

JWBS wrote:

 KTG17 wrote:

 Overread wrote:
@Ktg17
In the old Titan Legions managing a titan was micro managing it. You had a reactor and power per turn which you had to allocate to different areas of its body (legs, weapons, head etc..) which would let you make attacks, move, boost performance, repair, run shields etc...

Yes, for the Imperator but not everyone else (the Mega Gargant has its own rules). But the Warlords were given orders like everyone else. It wasn't until they started taking damage did you have to worry about specifics. Plus while that model was the biggest on the board, it was still small enough to not physically dominate the board. Plus with all the other vehicles, infantry, etc, there was a lot to move and create tactics with. This game is going to have what? 6-12 models per side? Essentially everyone is just going to move those to the center of the board and blow each other up at point blank range. And being as tall as they are, shouldn't take too long to accomplish.

Do you not think we'll be getting squadrons of shadowsords and the like? I never played Epic but I loved those models and the idea of them, moving slowly, setting up firing zones, bringing down giants that crossed their range (but like I say I never played, maybe they were crap ingame).

 Sherrypie wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 KTG17 wrote:

 Overread wrote:
@Ktg17
In the old Titan Legions managing a titan was micro managing it. You had a reactor and power per turn which you had to allocate to different areas of its body (legs, weapons, head etc..) which would let you make attacks, move, boost performance, repair, run shields etc...

Yes, for the Imperator but not everyone else (the Mega Gargant has its own rules). But the Warlords were given orders like everyone else. It wasn't until they started taking damage did you have to worry about specifics. Plus while that model was the biggest on the board, it was still small enough to not physically dominate the board. Plus with all the other vehicles, infantry, etc, there was a lot to move and create tactics with. This game is going to have what? 6-12 models per side? Essentially everyone is just going to move those to the center of the board and blow each other up at point blank range. And being as tall as they are, shouldn't take too long to accomplish.

Do you not think we'll be getting squadrons of shadowsords and the like? I never played Epic but I loved those models and the idea of them, moving slowly, setting up firing zones, bringing down giants that crossed their range (but like I say I never played, maybe they were crap ingame).

To begin with, no we don't. Designers have repeatedly said they want it to focus on titan combat. And yes, micro managing is in much larger focus here (which is fine) with only several models in the game (which is also entirely fine), so let's chill for the time being and wait for it. Perhaps they'll add tanks later on, perhaps not, as long as they'll stay true to the intended focus on titans that's fine for me.

BrianDavion wrote:
My hope is that the game'll end up a bit like battletech

 His Master's Voice wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
My hope is that the game'll end up a bit like battletech

It won't. Games Workshop has a recognizable brand for an 8mm combined arms games - it's called Epic. There's absolutely no reason for them to dilute the AT formula with things that would work much better in a separate (if related through miniatures) product line.

If you want Epic like I do, buy a lot of titans, then throw them at Tony Cottrell during the next Specialist Games seminar while shouting ARMAGEDDON. I'm sure that will get the point across.

 Prometheum5 wrote:
Stop trying to make Epic happen, this game is Adeptus Titanicus and I just want to micromanage my giant robots without worrying about tanks or squishies.