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I have been wondering about the validity of a fist on a Reaver. Is it really worth the loss of firepower?

Reavers with fists are designed to sneak and duck and get hit a few times and then strike hard in close combat. I think that their validity will vary a lot depending on the terrain and board setup you use.

If its dense with tall buildings then a reaver with close combat weapons is going to be viable because it will have cover to allow it to advance without just being ganged up on by warlords and other ranged units.

If you're playing with a lot of short terrain that might hide knights but not reavers; or you're playing on a very open battle field then a Reaver is going to find it a lot harder to get into close combat without taking damage and regretting the lack of a ranged weapon itself instead of the fist.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:


What was the rest of your force?

And how where the Reavers able to close with your Warlord?

We had a Warlord, a Reaver (mine with twin laser blasters, his with Gatling blaster and fist) and three knights each. There was a lot of tall buildings blocking LOS, and I’m crap, that’s how he got me.

Makes sense!

Good to see that terrain will really be a thing we'll need lots of - but I have yet to see an 'official' GW table that has had enough!

Another thing to remember, if you run Legio Gryphonicus and swap a Warhound out for a Reaver that Reaver can be upgraded so that it always gets to move and turn with it's boosted stats without pushing the reacter. Give it the move twice order it'll get across the table in a couple of turns. I made the mistake of ignoring it in my last game and it charged my warlord turn 3 and then proceeded to punch it into oblivion.

 Imateria wrote:
Another thing to remember, if you run Legio Gryphonicus and swap a Warhound out for a Reaver that Reaver can be upgraded so that it always gets to move and turn with it's boosted stats without pushing the reacter. Give it the move twice order it'll get across the table in a couple of turns. I made the mistake of ignoring it in my last game and it charged my warlord turn 3 and then proceeded to punch it into oblivion.

never ever EVER ignore your enemies flankers. I've yet to play a game of AT but generally speaking from experiance with similer games, if you ever get a good clear shot on a light flanker unit you take it. you wanna put them down before they can position themselves

Very true! When paying this game at the Maniple level, flanking units can spoil your whole day.

Even light units can really hurt a Warlord once they get in close.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
Another thing to remember, if you run Legio Gryphonicus and swap a Warhound out for a Reaver that Reaver can be upgraded so that it always gets to move and turn with it's boosted stats without pushing the reacter. Give it the move twice order it'll get across the table in a couple of turns. I made the mistake of ignoring it in my last game and it charged my warlord turn 3 and then proceeded to punch it into oblivion.

never ever EVER ignore your enemies flankers. I've yet to play a game of AT but generally speaking from experiance with similer games, if you ever get a good clear shot on a light flanker unit you take it. you wanna put them down before they can position themselves

This.

Sure, your opponent may be able to deal with Fisty Reaver before it gets punchy. So work with it. They can’t really allow it to get close, so exploit that. Simple one is a ‘death or glory’ affair, but there’s many other ways one can pull it off.

The warhounds cant come soon enough !

Not really a problem if your warlord also have a fist. Although it's a good idea to avoid getting charged

Fist genuinely seems wasteful on a Warlord. Just too slow and stumbly.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Fist genuinely seems wasteful on a Warlord. Just too slow and stumbly.

especially given the limits of carapiece weapons, Warlords IMHO work best at long range. in an ideal world you'd find a good hill top to park it on and rain down fire...

Actually that'd be a REALLY good table. an elevated position in the centre. with thick terrain around it,

What Legions you expect to see in Titandeath supplement?

3 per side, so... Nova Guard, Imperial Hunters and Firebrands (or Warp Runners) for loyalists and God Breakers, Death Stalkers and Death's Heads (or Tiger Eyes) for traitors?

Four Legions with new fluff and color schemes and two already existing.

I’d guess Ignatum, Astorum and Atarus for loyalists.

Mortis, Audax and Fureans for traitors.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Fist genuinely seems wasteful on a Warlord. Just too slow and stumbly.

Doesn't seem so when your Warlord get pummeled by the other guy

Not saying every Warlord should equip fist, but mixing thing up is good, especially when you know the enemy will be hitting you in CC, and you're unable to provide support to your warlord.

for those who like a whole maniple of big guys, having one warlord with a fist placed to move in on a Reaver who fancies his chances might be worth the loss of one gun...

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I’d guess Ignatum, Astorum and Atarus for loyalists.

Mortis, Audax and Fureans for traitors.

So the Legions with transfers and then a high profile one from the books.. seems a good guess, although the inclusion of Legio Tempestus in the first book makes that stand out a bit as an oddity. I always thought it odd that they gave us the rules for it but Legio Mortis is being used along side Gryphonicus as the poster boy Legion.)
that said I'm not sure they'll wanna put ALL the high profile legios into one supplement, as that could hurt long term sourcebook sales.

I'm painting Legio Atarus so I expect they'll get rules and I'll hate them (this is just how my luck runs)

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Fist genuinely seems wasteful on a Warlord. Just too slow and stumbly.

Double fist, flank and just go mental on the reactor. That thing barreling towards flankers will terrify your opponent!

I think things like fists on warlords might become far more powerful when other factions join in - especially things like Chaos which have multiple types of close combat weapons and will likely have tricks to get up close and personal. Making it far more worthwhile to take your own power close combat weapon even on a Warlord Class titan.

From what I hear a fist Warlord is very good in missions that require holding the midfield. There’s one guy I’ve seen swearing by a fist/sunfury/laser blasters.

Bell of Lost Souls is reporting on some upcoming stuff Apparently suggesting a lot of knights, link to the article is here

Apparently in Q4 2018-Q1 2019 they're hoping to get the Knight weapons Set out, as well as kits of the Dominus, Armangier, Ceratus, and Porphrian class knights.

take it with serious salt but thought I'd mention it.

I can believe Titan and knight weapons followed by Cerastus in the mid term future, but I can assure you that having been at a recent open day and directly asking about knight variants, the guy at the stall answered they have no plans for dominus and armiger.

I reckon that we'll see a combined weapon upgrade sprue soon - Weapons for the Knights, Warlord and Reaver on one sprue or in one box. And the new weapons are pretty much already to go judging from the photos from the Adeptus Titanicus rulebook.

BrianDavion wrote:
Bell of Lost Souls is reporting on some upcoming stuff

Just to save everyone the click, there's nothing of substance here as usual. It's a bunch of speculation based on things we already know so far, such as what the game designers have said in public or the unreleased upgrades we've seen pictures of.

 xttz wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Bell of Lost Souls is reporting on some upcoming stuff

Just to save everyone the click, there's nothing of substance here as usual. It's a bunch of speculation based on things we already know so far, such as what the game designers have said in public or the unreleased upgrades we've seen pictures of.

Thanks. BoL(lock)S in a nutshell then...

But where else can I go to be bombarded with forced redirect, no backsies, screen filling ads?

Heresy Online? (Is that place still up and running?)

I move at such a slow pace (Warlord, no reactor overload ability) that I'll probably wait until the weapon sprues are released before I start building/painting my AT stuff...

I've only built and base coated the chassis of one warlord. I need to start painting the armour plates, but I am putting it off as I need to learn how to paint flames, and I want to get it right... :/

 Mysterio wrote:
Heresy Online? (Is that place still up and running?)

I move at such a slow pace (Warlord, no reactor overload ability) that I'll probably wait until the weapon sprues are released before I start building/painting my AT stuff...

Me too! I'm all "look the God Engines walk!*"

*but only very slowly, and they're probably not going to get here any time soon.

 zedmeister wrote:
I reckon that we'll see a combined weapon upgrade sprue soon - Weapons for the Knights, Warlord and Reaver on one sprue or in one box. And the new weapons are pretty much already to go judging from the photos from the Adeptus Titanicus rulebook.

Going by the sizes and composition of the weapon sprues, best guess for the upgrade ones is:

Warlord- mars beta head, sunfury plasma destructor, arioch claw with vulcan bolter, twin laser blaster carapace mounts.
Reaver- alternate head (possibly the mk iv marine style one off the old metal) carapace turbolaser, volcano cannon, melta cannon, chainfist.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
I reckon that we'll see a combined weapon upgrade sprue soon - Weapons for the Knights, Warlord and Reaver on one sprue or in one box. And the new weapons are pretty much already to go judging from the photos from the Adeptus Titanicus rulebook.

Going by the sizes and composition of the weapon sprues, best guess for the upgrade ones is:

Warlord- mars beta head, sunfury plasma destructor, arioch claw with vulcan bolter, twin laser blaster carapace mounts.
Reaver- alternate head (possibly the mk iv marine style one off the old metal) carapace turbolaser, volcano cannon, melta cannon, chainfist.

It would be a shame if volcano cannon got priority over carapace megabolter: the laser blaster and melta cannon kinda already cover it’s niche thoroughly between them.