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 Thargrim wrote:
Luckily I purposely waited and never bought any warlords so I'm not that angry at the moment. I am concerned about the impact this will have on the already small playerbase though. Hopefully the backlash makes them rethink this method of releasing upgrade sprues.

Pretty much the case for me (more happy accident tbh, I spent my toy soldier money on different toy soldiers, and I may not even be buying this second round of Warlords - there may actually be a weapon sprue available when I finally do get round to it. It seems to make sense to me that they'll release one eventually).

Rather fear people are over reacting at the moment.

They’ve said there’s a new weapon sprue, being packaged with the Warlord.

But they’ve not said ‘it’ll be out later on it’s own’. Peeps are acting like they’ve said that, and then, I dunno, drop kicked their Hamster out the window, aiming for their Nan.

Consider Speed Freeks, Forgebane and even Deathwatch Overkill. All contain or contained ‘exclusive’ models, which have since seen a formal release on their own.

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 Thargrim wrote:
Luckily I purposely waited and never bought any warlords so I'm not that angry at the moment. I am concerned about the impact this will have on the already small playerbase though. Hopefully the backlash makes them rethink this method of releasing upgrade sprues.

Pretty much the case for me (more happy accident tbh, I spent my toy soldier money on different toy soldiers, and I may not even be buying this second round of Warlords - there may actually be a weapon sprue available when I finally do get round to it. It seems to make sense to me that they'll release one eventually).

Problem is with this release pattern even if they had released all the patterns AT ONCE it wouldn't have helped at all. It would still result in waaaay too many warlords for me to buy. I'm not made out of cash


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Rather fear people are over reacting at the moment.

They’ve said there’s a new weapon sprue, being packaged with the Warlord.

But they’ve not said ‘it’ll be out later on it’s own’. Peeps are acting like they’ve said that, and then, I dunno, drop kicked their Hamster out the window, aiming for their Nan.

Consider Speed Freeks, Forgebane and even Deathwatch Overkill. All contain or contained ‘exclusive’ models, which have since seen a formal release on their own.

We have no word it comes separately anyway. What we do know is it won't be for a while minimum. The uncertainty is not doing anybody here any favours. Even GW. Many people are going to look at 3rd parties to fulfill the weapon purchaces with this. It's been already long wait for weapons and now with months even in best case and that's with zero quarantees it comes on their own. Why wait for months for uncertain result when 3rd parties can do it right now?

Oh there I agree. But at the moment, peeps are jumping to conclusions, and ones I don’t feel are particularly safe.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Rather fear people are over reacting at the moment.

They’ve said there’s a new weapon sprue, being packaged with the Warlord.

But they’ve not said ‘it’ll be out later on it’s own’. Peeps are acting like they’ve said that, and then, I dunno, drop kicked their Hamster out the window, aiming for their Nan.

Consider Speed Freeks, Forgebane and even Deathwatch Overkill. All contain or contained ‘exclusive’ models, which have since seen a formal release on their own.

No. But Andy Hoare has been reacting to people annoyed by the present situation with words to the effect of "I never actually said we'd be selling the upgrades separately", which is hardly confidence-building. And actually, peeps are acting like they watched a lot of seminars and marketing streams which all *strongly* suggested there would be separate upgrade sprues, bought expensive models on the basis that in future they would have access to those upgrade sprues, and are now being told if they want the upgrade sprues they have to buy that same expensive model again. Feeling and expressing some irritation at that sequence of events isn't even remotely as unreasonable as you're trying to paint it as.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Consider Speed Freeks, Forgebane and even Deathwatch Overkill. All contain or contained ‘exclusive’ models, which have since seen a formal release on their own.

And when they announce that they're going to release the weapons on their own, then we'll talk. But as others have noted, no one at SG, FW, or GW has ever positively stated that the sprues will be available independently. And even if they are, the pattern that you're laying out will literally involve releasing each weapon as part of a Warlord release *before* they release an add-on weapons sprue. I'm guessing that next month we'll see an announcement of a Reaver with a different weapons load-out. If they were to do an alternating release schedule of a warlord with new weapons, followed by a reaver with new weapons, and only release the weapons sprues separately *after* all of that, then we could be waiting a very, very long time. In the meantime, people will continue to complain about the inability to get the models they need, which is the complaint that has dogged this game since release.

Which is fair enough.

But nobody has said they aren’t doing that, which isn’t the impression you’d get from the early reactions.

Maybe they’re not currently planning it. Maybe they are.

But the reaction I’ve seen ought to persuade!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Which is fair enough.

But nobody has said they aren’t doing that, which isn’t the impression you’d get from the early reactions.

Maybe they’re not currently planning it. Maybe they are.

But the reaction I’ve seen ought to persuade!

The reaction is along the lines of, "They'd better hurry up and announce this, or they're going to miss out to people with 3D printers due to stupidity and short-sightedness at their offices."

I have a 3d printer with excellent resolution, might be time for me to 3d design or find online some CAD warlord weapons. Does anyone know of any aside from the carapace laser blasters on shapeways and the knight missile pods from the same place?

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 Fajita Fan wrote:

Models have been out there based on the full size models since before AT was released once they announced the scale. I actually rather enjoyed tinkering with other weapon models to create my own.

Looking forward to this myself. Warglaives seem to be a good source for Reavers https://imgur.com/a/pJyMTaI what you finding good for Warlords? Contemptors, Telemon, Redemptor? I imagine the options are pretty much infinite but I'd like to see a few examples before I go buying bits that I don't already have.

Look at my gallery for close up pics of my Warlord Gatling and Reaver melta, I used a mix of 3D printed and GW bits for those, especially contempor parts. Reaver Turbolaser was made from a Sentinel exhaust, warp missile was made from an IG hunter killer, and the chainfist is some big chainsaw meant to look like a terminator chainfist. The Reaver volcano is made from a failed 3d printed design (mistakes happen) but I also found plenty of 3D printable designs online like laserblasters, megabolters, and plasmas and then modified them for printing in TinkerCAD, a free online website that’s easy to learn. Many US public library systems all over the country have publicly available 3D printers were you print for a nominal fee, mostly just the weight of the plastic. It can take a few tries to get it right, the blue weapons you see in my gallery were printed too big and I scaled them down later, that’s what you see primed.

I don’t support ripping off game companies by duplicating their work (I don’t print models like marines or tanks that are available to buy) but I started my weapon variants as soon as I got my titans when official weapon options weren’t available. If I’m going to have to buy all new titans to get the official plasma cannons or laserblasters I may as well keep the ones I printed.

 ph34r wrote:
I have a 3d printer with excellent resolution, might be time for me to 3d design or find online some CAD warlord weapons. Does anyone know of any aside from the carapace laser blasters on shapeways and the knight missile pods from the same place?

There's a plasma annihilator floating about as well, but other than that not yet.

This is a d*** move by GW, and andy hoare's reaction on social media stinks. GW has mislead the consumer and they know it, and are trying to blame us!
Like a wife beater blaming his wife for making him hit her.

 Fajita Fan wrote:
TinkerCAD, a free online website that’s easy to learn.

I second this. I don't own a 3D printer, and have never attempted to print an object. But I've fiddled a bit with TinkerCAD, and it's quite easy to use. I used it to design a substitute ambidextrous Reaver arm (similar to, but not exactly the same as the arms on the sprue), and it wasn't all that hard to do. Mind you, I haven't actually printed out the arm in question, so there might be issues with the design I made. But problems would likely be easy enough to correct if I were to actually try and use the design I made.

Hmm slightly disappointing, but not totally unexpected. I guess the remaining Warlord and Reaver weapons will get the same treatment. Hopefully the weapon sprue's will become available separately in the future, otherwise mixing and matching is gonna get a bit pricey. Although the silver lining is there will not be a shortage of Titan body's

That said I'll probably be getting this new Warlord kit and price willing a couple of the Knight boxes.

Funny thing i would have preordered 3 at half price of titan instantly. Now not sure will i even bother with 1 or just keep models as is unless they release them separately. Wysiwyg nice, not nice enough to buy like 10 warlords this would end up with(3rd pattern included)

Awesome TY

The dual Belicosa plus Apocalypse loadout has grown on me. It's reactor-intensive, sure, but the Warlord has pips to spare and the weapons complement each other really well. Plus those pie plates just wreck Knights.

And that's good because I'm not buying a car to get some shiny new hubcaps.

For anyone interested in ALL KINDS of 3d printed designs that people have uploaded like taco holders, flower pots, keychains, toys, and more you all should check out Makerbot's site thingiverse.com. The designs will print on any printer, not just a Makerbot.

Happy to see new models released, they are gorgeous. Curious to see the price for the knights ...

Much less happy to see a full alternate kit for the warlord and no separate weapons sprue.

I think a better move would have been to release both the full alternate kit and the new weapons' sprue at the same time. That way you would have early adopters (me included) happy not to have to buy a complete kit to have the new weapons, and "new" adopters happy because they have a broader range to choose from.

Hoping for the weapons' sprues to become available as standalone at a later stage (the sooner the better).

Even hoping for the old days to come back when you could actually order bits directly from GW (just dreaming …).

This said, nothing would prevent reselling the carapace and skeleton sprues although I fear it would be difficult to recoup the investment.

Now, for those enjoying conversions, I think keeping the weapons for the already owned AT warlords, converting the skeletons into a daemonic titan or a lighter knight for 40K and
reselling them might be a possibility.

Mendi Warrior wrote:


This said, nothing would prevent reselling the carapace and skeleton sprues although I fear it would be difficult to recoup the investment.

Now, for those enjoying conversions, I think keeping the weapons for the already owned AT warlords, converting the skeletons into a daemonic titan or a lighter knight for 40K and
reselling them might be a possibility.

I can't imagine the market for a bare warlord skeleton is going to be worth very much, how much demand is there for that? Bits resellers are going to have a glut of them on the market.

That is for sure, that is what I meant saying "I fear it would be difficult to recoup the investment".

I think converting them would be a better option (if you want to go the road of acquiring one for the weapons only that is).

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Rather fear people are over reacting at the moment.

They’ve said there’s a new weapon sprue, being packaged with the Warlord.

But they’ve not said ‘it’ll be out later on it’s own’. Peeps are acting like they’ve said that, and then, I dunno, drop kicked their Hamster out the window, aiming for their Nan.

Consider Speed Freeks, Forgebane and even Deathwatch Overkill. All contain or contained ‘exclusive’ models, which have since seen a formal release on their own.

No. But Andy Hoare has been reacting to people annoyed by the present situation with words to the effect of "I never actually said we'd be selling the upgrades separately", which is hardly confidence-building. And actually, peeps are acting like they watched a lot of seminars and marketing streams which all *strongly* suggested there would be separate upgrade sprues, bought expensive models on the basis that in future they would have access to those upgrade sprues, and are now being told if they want the upgrade sprues they have to buy that same expensive model again. Feeling and expressing some irritation at that sequence of events isn't even remotely as unreasonable as you're trying to paint it as.

Irritation is totally understandable given the weapon points having holes meant for magnets and this sentence from the Warhammer Community site:
"The next consideration was to fit the Warlord Titan onto three frames, divided into body, armour and weapons – which means that, in the future, we can easily produce a new set of weapons, or new armour and heads, anything we might want to add to give the customers more modularity. This feature will be replicated on the Reavers and Warhounds as well, allowing for loads of room to grow down the line." They never said an individual weapon sprue or a la carte options but I hope they didn't expect us to assume we'd have to buy whole different models to get more weapon options.

I always thought they could have thrown players a bone by packaging the Crusader weapon sprue in the Landraider box but those didn't have magnet holes built in and the alternate weapon sprue has been available separately for years. https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Upgrade-Pack-Land-Raider-Crusader

There are also loads of 3rd party bits companies, I'm actually kinda surprised we haven't seen a couple of previews for resin AT scale weapons from places like Kromlech or Scibor, maybe this will spur that on.

While they may not be an exact match for the weapons, Dreamforge do have some great looking plastic arms such as gattling guns, fists, and meltas that would be great on a warlord. https://dreamforge-games.com/collections/all

They also have two sizes of walkers that would be great additions to the game. I measured my 15mm one and it is 13cm tall which I think is the same size as a reaver. The 28mm version is taller than a warlord though so might not fit in quite as well.They also look incredible!

It does seem pretty lame...but GW's been doing bizarre and illogical release schedules/methods for a bit lately. Chewing up some of that goodwill they've been garnering.

However...I wouldn't panic since I know the 3D and resin market will jump on this and provide excellent options at better-than-GW costs. Heck, a community like YakTribe will probably pick it all up and create rules for new Titans, Knights and weapon options anyway.

 Elbows wrote:
It does seem pretty lame...but GW's been doing bizarre and illogical release schedules/methods for a bit lately. Chewing up some of that goodwill they've been garnering.

However...I wouldn't panic since I know the 3D and resin market will jump on this and provide excellent options at better-than-GW costs. Heck, a community like YakTribe will probably pick it all up and create rules for new Titans, Knights and weapon options anyway.

That's the thing. The 3D market is building up so quickly that it's a pretty dumb move on GW's part. I suspect that they haven't even thought about it. Hopefully they reconsider in a hurry.

Well, using the term "weapons upgrades" probably wasn't the best idea the FW guys have ever had. Still, this is the danger of forgetting that rumor mongers generated this and not FW. Sort of like watching the Mandella effect play out and everyone crying foul when reality doesn't match their memory.

I can imagine the opposite scenario though. "GW charged me $110 for a warlord and now they want me to pay another $40 (or whatever) for a couple weapons that should have been included in the first place!"

Kind of lose lose.

 Breotan wrote:
Well, using the term "weapons upgrades" probably wasn't the best idea the FW guys have ever had. Still, this is the danger of forgetting that rumor mongers generated this and not FW. Sort of like watching the Mandella effect play out and everyone crying foul when reality doesn't match their memory.

Folk keep saying stuff like this, but I will happily assert that if you had asked 99% of the people who're now pronouncing on how silly we all were for taking words at face value rather than parsing every potential meaning and then assuming the worst what they expected to be coming up for AT releases, they'd have said "weapon upgrade packs" as well. It's not like people indulged in some ridiculous "pack, packs, the Packers, pecker, woodpeckers, woody woodpecker, cartoons, Loony Toons - Bugs Bunny class Titan confirmed!!!!" free-association, pretty much everybody was anticipating weapon packs and that's down to nobody but FW. Even if we assume for the moment that they always intended to release things in this way, they would have to be literally blind to have missed how their marketing was being interpreted by the community, and even accounting for GW's daft timeline around information they could have firmly nipped this whole issue in the bud three months ago. They chose to do nothing. Andy Hoare, while a member of the bigger FB communities to do with AT until fairly recently, chose to say nothing. Even now, when even the most perfunctory "...and you'll be able to buy these sprues separately Soon(tm)" remark could defuse a substantial chunk of the discontent, they choose to say nothing. Well, they choose to say nothing except vague semantic nitpickery to try and absolve themselves of any responsibility.

So either they're genuinely so obtuse they didn't notice that what they were saying could be taken several ways and that people were taking it the wrong way, or simply don't care how we took it, in which case it's a bit rich for them and the Honour Guard now riding around calling people liars for ascribing one of a couple of possible meanings to words that were actually said by Andy & other SG folks to get uppity about people's irritation, or they knew damn well what was happening and made an entirely cynical business decision to withhold accurate information in the hopes people would buy Warlords they otherwise wouldn't have, in which case I'd say a negative reaction is well deserved.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I can imagine the opposite scenario though. "GW charged me $110 for a warlord and now they want me to pay another $40 (or whatever) for a couple weapons that should have been included in the first place!"

Kind of lose lose.

Except, as above, that's not right. People were expecting weapon upgrade packs. People have been expecting weapon upgrade packs ever since we first found out the contents of the Warlord box and Andy & co started talking on streams and at events about how the kit was magent-ready and more weapons would be coming in plastic. Even the people who didn't like the idea of being sold a "basic model" that they would then have to pay extra to flesh out properly were resigned to that being how things were going to be. The worst actually meeting people's expectations would have resulted in is the normal level of grumbling, the shitstorm is because they managed to exceed the level of bumming everyone was already prepared for.

Not to mention it's just bad for customers regardless of what expectations were and leading to less sales. I went from 1 per warlord(so 3 minimum, potentially 3 more) to 0. Idea of buying total of 10(assuming next sprue is samish) and yet more if 4th sprue comes...yep nope.


People are leaning toward 3rt parties or simply play non wysiwyg.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I can imagine the opposite scenario though. "GW charged me $110 for a warlord and now they want me to pay another $40 (or whatever) for a couple weapons that should have been included in the first place!"

Kind of lose lose.

Better than getting charged 110 just for a couple weapons. Now they've just made everyone that got in early on the game look like an idiot and gave everyone who was on the fence a reason to drop the idea entirely. It's really just a bit "gotcha!" from GW.

I made a post when I was on the fence asking whether they said there were going to be seperate weapons sprues - or in predictable GW fashion, they'd make their customers buy a whole new warlord like they did with the castellan knights. People posted links to the statements that they were going to be seperate. If they were going to pull cheap tricks like this, then they could have just not said anything and I would have held off, seen the BS they're pulling, and dropped the idea entirely.

I've got plenty of money for my hobby, but it's not unlimited and there are things I can get much more mileage out of than minis from a company intent on reaming it's customers with pricing gimmicks. If i can get a OK gaming PC or a good chunk of a 40k army i like, I'll probably get the army. If i can get a tiny bit of the army i like because of GW's price gimmicks, I'll take the PC.