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The only people who know for sure how big an Imperator is are FW.

I'd say that any BL novel or cover art is just interpretation.

My opinion, based on interviews with various FW folks on the topic, is that they are roughly twice the height of a Warlord.

I'd say Yodhrin has the size and price about right.

Despite their protestations, I expect they'll do it someday.

They've never said they would never do one - just that it's not in their plans at the moment, and those plans seem to stretch out for a couple of years at least.

Even if we could accurately scale the size of the Imperator from the artwork or old miniatures, that's irrelevant. It'll get reinterpreted, the size, proportions and details will change. The current plastic Warhound, Reaver and Warlord don't look like they have the same relative sizes as the old 80s models did.

That Fire Wasps one from the previous page is just an artist's interpretation anyway - basically the old Epic miniature with a new-style plasma cannon from Forge World's Warlord design grafted on instead of the original weapon.

Same artist (Neil Roberts I believe), but fairly consistent with the other image in scale. Also shows variant cathedrals on the backs, with all three different Imperators having a different style, which would be nice to see in a kit- a degree of modularity in the acropoliz.



And another, with humans and custodes for scale.

Is.....is that exotic dancers in the window of the Bastille bit?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Is.....is that exotic dancers in the window of the Bastille bit?

Slightly off tangent but if I may ask, what is happening in that picture? It looks like folk are running about in a panic.

Maybe the Imperator back will be blank so you can add a Civitas Imperialis set to it and design your own spires

Another pic of reference:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Is.....is that exotic dancers in the window of the Bastille bit?

I would have said they are classical style statues... but your interpretation is way better

Using the marines in that picture, some enterprising soul should be able to now tell us the height of an Imperator - excellent!

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Is.....is that exotic dancers in the window of the Bastille bit?

Who said being a Princeps doesn't have it's own rewards!

Eiríkr wrote:Slightly off tangent but if I may ask, what is happening in that picture? It looks like folk are running about in a panic.

To be fair, I'd panic a bit if that showed up!

Those pictures, especially that last one, look incredibly off scale, like an order of magnitude at least... pretty sure an Imperstr isn’t supposed to be a kilometre tall.

are the novels considered canon? cause in one of them, there was a warlord that i think fit the scale of the artwork on the rulebook for apocalypse was it? with it in the background: https://1d4chan.org/images/thumb/9/94/Titan_Space_Marines.jpg/300px-Titan_Space_Marines.jpg that image.

and Imperators are taller. it appears that there were different designs/sizes for titans but the most common ones may be the currently scaled ones?

Even the warhammer world diorama of the seige of terra is closer in line to that artwork scale with titans being like a smaller person in height. (which i kinda prefer).

Sanjay

Let's be honest with ourselves, the scale of GW/Forgeworld's eventual Adeptus Titanicus Imperator model will be whatever they deem to be the best compromise between cost of production, profit per unit, and overall visual appeal. Established lore (which itself is inconsistent) will take a backseat to the aforementioned considerations.

Oh of course it will. the same for any background. but that doenst change the fact that if it was real, the sizes very. thats all.

like the second death star was 160km diameter. models/toys are obviously never in scale with anything since they would still need to be the size of the house.

that doesnt change the fact of what the size of the official death star 2 was.

however, that does assume the books etc are canon.

regards,

Sanjay

StarFyre wrote:
Oh of course it will. the same for any background. but that doenst change the fact that if it was real, the sizes very. thats all.

like the second death star was 160km diameter. models/toys are obviously never in scale with anything since they would still need to be the size of the house.

that doesnt change the fact of what the size of the official death star 2 was.

however, that does assume the books etc are canon.

They're canon, but not necessarily true. As it has been noted, the stated size of Imperator Titan varies wildly in the books, even the size of one specific titan! BL authors make up details as they need and they often contradict each other (or even themselves), so one should take any such numbers with a grain of salt.

 Alpharius wrote:
Using the marines in that picture, some enterprising soul should be able to now tell us the height of an Imperator - excellent!

Gav Thorpe repeatedly states 45 metres in the book. Which seems really small when he's simultaneously writing about people walking down corridors in the leg decks.

Ye the text written height for titans is silly vs what the art shows

The titan on terra art with the custodes running around is ludicrous if a custodes stands just over 2 meters at 7-8 feet tall, imperators should only be around 20-30 space marines high, based on the distance of the imperator from the platform it looks like just the head of it is 10+ custodes tall, I still think the 100 meters+ is more "realistic" for the art and power descriptions of imperators

Consider that the big church on top is based somewhat on Japanese Pagoda mast on their battleships, those were around 30-40 meters high on their own above the waterline makes imperators seem somewhat goofy at 45 meters and considered huge warmachines really



Consider that a warlord titan is listed as 33 meters they are actually 5 meters shorter than the Rio jesus statue below

Any chance we can go back to posting news & rumours, rather than repeatedly bumping the thread to point out GW art isn't consistently scaled? Pretty sure that's been true for a while now, and definitely isn't news.

edit: FW just put all four civitas boards up for pre-order in a single bundle:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Imperial-Civitas-Complete-Gaming-Board-2019

 Togusa wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Umm warlord is about reqular knight and castellan is only slightly taller than reqular...were imperator that size head would be lower than in warlord.
24cm. That's what imperator should be

I have trouble with dimensions, so forgive me brother for being obtuse,

But are you saying somewhere between a Castellan and a Warhound in size?

Couldn't they just curb the size of the model, does the scale actually really matter?

I mean, look at the old Rhinos and Marines, definitely scale didn't matter there.

We just got true 6mm warlord, reaver and warhound. LEt's not go off scale right away. There's no reason not to make the imperator true scale


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JWBS wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Umm warlord is about reqular knight and castellan is only slightly taller than reqular...were imperator that size head would be lower than in warlord.
24cm. That's what imperator should be

An AT Warlord isn't almost 40K Knight size, it's much smaller


A Castellan Knight isn't only slightly taller than a regular Knight, it's much taller

I have knight and warlord in my room. It's about 1cm.

And second picture point is? It doesn't even SHOW castellan knight. For the record I also have castellan knight. It's bulkier but not significantly taller. Here it would be only slightly taller than the questor left but notably shorter than the cerastus in the middle.

You showed questor, cerastus and poryphion(Whatever spelling) knights. No castellan in sight.

Incidentally the rightmost knight in 28mm is about same height as warhound so that would be the height you would be looking at.


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 Norchack wrote:


Let's be honest with ourselves, the scale of GW/Forgeworld's eventual Adeptus Titanicus Imperator model will be whatever they deem to be the best compromise between cost of production, profit per unit, and overall visual appeal. Established lore (which itself is inconsistent) will take a backseat to the aforementioned considerations.

Well they made warlord, reaver and warhound 6mm scale to the spot...

New boards from Forgeworld:





Fun fact - these are built by hand. Not particularly interesting until you consider the crashed Xiphon...

tneva82 wrote:

JWBS wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Umm warlord is about reqular knight and castellan is only slightly taller than reqular...were imperator that size head would be lower than in warlord.
24cm. That's what imperator should be

An AT Warlord isn't almost 40K Knight size, it's much smaller


I have knight and warlord in my room. It's about 1cm.

And second picture point is? It doesn't even SHOW castellan knight. For the record I also have castellan knight. It's bulkier but not significantly taller. Here it would be only slightly taller than the questor left but notably shorter than the cerastus in the middle.

You showed questor, cerastus and poryphion(Whatever spelling) knights. No castellan in sight.

Incidentally the rightmost knight in 28mm is about same height as warhound so that would be the height you would be looking at.

I mixed up the Castellan and the Cerastus. If I make an Imperator I'll be using the Castellan. You're completely delusional about the Warlord being slightly smaller than a regular Knight. I've provided a picture for you to see the scale. Do you think it's doctored? Maybe you should take a picture of the Knight and Warlord that you have in your room to show the true comparison.

That Xiphon looks like mine...I need to see about getting a replacement wing from FW

Boards are OK, but I'm more excited about the next plastic terrain set.FW ought to make more scatter terrain for AT, like Titan wrecks, and less of the full size fixed boards. They look really good, but seem more suited for display than play with titans on bases.

 Eiríkr wrote:
Slightly off tangent but if I may ask, what is happening in that picture? It looks like folk are running about in a panic.

It's the cover for The Binary Succession - basically the ruling Council of Terra is ignoring the Mechanicum so

Hey guys, can we take all the discussion regarding the size of these robots elsewhere and leave this thread open for news and rumours? Thanks!

I wonder what these things are supposed to be

JWBS wrote:
I wonder what these things are supposed to be

They look Warlord-ish sized, but based on old metal epic knights

What is that from? Looks like it's been magnified quite a lot, based on the resolution.

Classic warlord design maybe?

It's the Ullanor pic. The large bots look at least twice as tall as the Reaver to me, considering perspective.

This was back in the day when GW's artwork also included stuff that wasn't a direct product placement. ;-)