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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I'm actually tempted to get more Knights now...

Same here! Thinking of black'n'silver this time...

Only trouble with them is the fragile feet when removing from the sprue. Thankfully haven't broken any but there was some close calls...

 ah64pilot5 wrote:
I would much rather see just some round out additions for the current knights (weapon options/variant types) and additional weapon option sprues for the Titans. While I like having the knights in the game, I would prefer the focus to stay on the Titans, maybe other variant titans, some specific chaos type upgrade sprues to represent late in the heresy period...More terrain sprue options.. (actually having the weapon cards available for purchase or heaven forbid, just include them in with the actual model for all weapon options included on the sprues....)
Continue with rules and legion specific benefits for other titan legions...

I agree with you regarding a focus on titans. Seems like all-Knight forces are an extreme concept compared to the controlled, conservative approach AT takes to titan maniples. As a result, there'd seem to be a high probability of them being broken in either direction. But we'll see. *shrug*

 gorgon wrote:

 ah64pilot5 wrote:
I would much rather see just some round out additions for the current knights (weapon options/variant types) and additional weapon option sprues for the Titans. While I like having the knights in the game, I would prefer the focus to stay on the Titans, maybe other variant titans, some specific chaos type upgrade sprues to represent late in the heresy period...More terrain sprue options.. (actually having the weapon cards available for purchase or heaven forbid, just include them in with the actual model for all weapon options included on the sprues....)
Continue with rules and legion specific benefits for other titan legions...

I agree with you regarding a focus on titans. Seems like all-Knight forces are an extreme concept compared to the controlled, conservative approach AT takes to titan maniples. As a result, there'd seem to be a high probability of them being broken in either direction. But we'll see. *shrug*

I am trying to remember if the Mechanicus have other Super Heavy Units that Titans and Ordinatus?

 Mr Morden wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 ah64pilot5 wrote:
I would much rather see just some round out additions for the current knights (weapon options/variant types) and additional weapon option sprues for the Titans. While I like having the knights in the game, I would prefer the focus to stay on the Titans, maybe other variant titans, some specific chaos type upgrade sprues to represent late in the heresy period...More terrain sprue options.. (actually having the weapon cards available for purchase or heaven forbid, just include them in with the actual model for all weapon options included on the sprues....)
Continue with rules and legion specific benefits for other titan legions...

I agree with you regarding a focus on titans. Seems like all-Knight forces are an extreme concept compared to the controlled, conservative approach AT takes to titan maniples. As a result, there'd seem to be a high probability of them being broken in either direction. But we'll see. *shrug*

I am trying to remember if the Mechanicus have other Super Heavy Units that Titans and Ordinatus?

Well, yeah - all of them. GW can try to chuck out the old fluff and basic common sense to try and flog new kits if they like("Err, naw, Skitarii just walk everywhere, and if they need to get somewhere quick, they just start walking sooner!"), but the idea that the Mechanicus doesn't operate forces of "normal" tanks and flyers, including superheavies, beggars belief.

And the solution for people who only want to play Titans vs Titans is, err, only play Titans vs Titans? There are folk out there still who, for some reason I can't fathom, insist on playing *only* core-rulebook content for Mordheim, Necromunda etc, and hey, you do you. I'd rather we have the *option* of more than just that.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 ah64pilot5 wrote:
I would much rather see just some round out additions for the current knights (weapon options/variant types) and additional weapon option sprues for the Titans. While I like having the knights in the game, I would prefer the focus to stay on the Titans, maybe other variant titans, some specific chaos type upgrade sprues to represent late in the heresy period...More terrain sprue options.. (actually having the weapon cards available for purchase or heaven forbid, just include them in with the actual model for all weapon options included on the sprues....)
Continue with rules and legion specific benefits for other titan legions...

I agree with you regarding a focus on titans. Seems like all-Knight forces are an extreme concept compared to the controlled, conservative approach AT takes to titan maniples. As a result, there'd seem to be a high probability of them being broken in either direction. But we'll see. *shrug*

I am trying to remember if the Mechanicus have other Super Heavy Units that Titans and Ordinatus?

Well, yeah - all of them. GW can try to chuck out the old fluff and basic common sense to try and flog new kits if they like("Err, naw, Skitarii just walk everywhere, and if they need to get somewhere quick, they just start walking sooner!"), but the idea that the Mechanicus doesn't operate forces of "normal" tanks and flyers, including superheavies, beggars belief.

And the solution for people who only want to play Titans vs Titans is, err, only play Titans vs Titans? There are folk out there still who, for some reason I can't fathom, insist on playing *only* core-rulebook content for Mordheim, Necromunda etc, and hey, you do you. I'd rather we have the *option* of more than just that.

Oh I know that they have lots of conventional vehicles (in the fluff if not the game for no reason) and one-offs but if they had other large scale walkers like the Titans or just them and the Oridinatus, they have the really big robots that FW do and the Knights so maybe thats more than enough?

Ah ok I see what you mean, superheavies that are exclusive to them. I think not, not yet anyway, I wouldn't put it past FW to come up with some superheavy Robot eventually.

They have bonded Knights, the Centurio Ordinatus, and the Collegia Titanica.

 Yodhrin wrote:
They have bonded Knights, the Centurio Ordinatus, and the Collegia Titanica.

I'm looking forward to eventual rules for Ordinatus.

That would seem to fit well with their concept thus far.

Ordinatus Majoris should be the size of Warlord Titans or bigger. The dinky Epic sculpts are way too small.
So, as much as I want them to return, I’d rather see the resin weapon packs and some additional Knights and Titans first.

Edit: more importantly, did anyone suggest when the new building kit was going to be released?

Wouldn't be a full Knights army without an Atrapos or Dominus to pack some serious punch.

I also expect they give the stubber and heavy flamer some use. it had special ammo rule in 30k.

Just in case folks missed it, the article on Molech mentions new Battlefield Assets, which require models...

So it's basically guaranteed there'll be something new inbound, whether that'll be drop forts, Evangelion style underground deployment shuttles, new Knights or something else entirely remains to be seen.

Most of you are probably already aware but there is an update for Doom Of Molech on Warhammer TV, tomorrow at 5pm, followed by Fureans vs Astorum...

https://www.twitch.tv/warhammer

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Edit: more importantly, did anyone suggest when the new building kit was going to be released?

I've not seen anything official - though they could talk about it in the live feed tomorrow - but since they had boxes already done during the preview, I'd guess very soon.

 gorgon wrote:

 ah64pilot5 wrote:
I would much rather see just some round out additions for the current knights (weapon options/variant types) and additional weapon option sprues for the Titans. While I like having the knights in the game, I would prefer the focus to stay on the Titans, maybe other variant titans, some specific chaos type upgrade sprues to represent late in the heresy period...More terrain sprue options.. (actually having the weapon cards available for purchase or heaven forbid, just include them in with the actual model for all weapon options included on the sprues....)
Continue with rules and legion specific benefits for other titan legions...

I agree with you regarding a focus on titans. Seems like all-Knight forces are an extreme concept compared to the controlled, conservative approach AT takes to titan maniples. As a result, there'd seem to be a high probability of them being broken in either direction. But we'll see. *shrug*

All titan, all knight. So what? Either way one thing gets spammed

I just view it as new challenges in the game.

Knights can be squishy. Titans can be vulnerable to Knights. Used together, they're really powerful. Used in exclusion of each other? Who knows.

Remember, this book is changing up how Knights fight, when fielded as an army. So the may lose some of their perks!

On the other hand we don't know what Knights to expect( well, perhaps educated guesses ) nor if their rules will differ from normal Knights.

The Acastus, for example, might be drawing from both Titans and Knights due to its almost-equal footing with a Warhound. Maybe it will lack servitor clades but need the use of a fire-arc, and have limits on its movement. Not sure how they are used in 40K, nor care for their fluff, but while they might not need weapon management, they might use warp-shields instead of ions if they work as independent units.

I'm not trying to predict the workings of the Acastus but merely illustrating a possibility - a unit with Titan-Knight Hybrid rules...or something else altogether.

Hopefully more will be revealled this evening...



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Sadly, I was constantly distracted during the preview so others might be able to fill in the blanks, but here goes...


DOM is set for April, possibly early April at that.

Giant lizards were recommeded as proxy models from 40K and AOS ranges, with a resin release being a possibility down the line.

Big pictures of all three Cerastus Knights, so it shouldn't be long until the other two variants are available.

A Household seems to be - as I understand it - in layers, Field commander and guards, then lancers and others.

I was not able to watch the live feed from today.

Those are usually quite the fount of information. Did anyone watch it and take notes?

Oh, they did say they would cover other legios and houses with each expansion and continually introduce new maniples.

Strategms for Knights would also be an ongoing thing too.

Overall it seems GW/FW are going with the flow and not trying to restrict players by giving them the choice of how they want to play their games and how they create their collections. The expansions are there to inspire players, not restrict them.

I listened to the recording and took notes...

-Molech is an early battle of the HH where House Devine betrays the Loyalists
-They have a copy of the book, it's coming next month
-Focus will be on Knights and Knight Houses
-Contents:
----Talks about the Warmaster's invasion
----History of Molech
----Legios - Crucius (Warmongers), Fortidus (Dauntless), Vulcanum (Dark Fire/Lords of Ruin), Interfector (Murder Lords)
----New Maniples - Fortis Battle (Warlord and Reavers), Ferrox Light (Reaver and Warhounds)
----Knight Houses - All knight forces now possible - House Devine, House Donar, House Indra, House Casker, House Cowshik, House Mamaragon, House Tazkhar
----Scenarios - recreates some of the key battles
----Battlefields - steam, ruins, cities - less lethal than those in Titandeath
-They have a spreadsheet of all Legios ever mentioned, and will keep knocking them off from "top tier" down
-They'll do the same thing with Knight Houses
-Legio Interfector has an Insanity Table
-Legio Audax ONLY uses scout Titans, but more than Warhounds
-All Knight Army uses another level of structure
-Groups Banners into Lances, which has an HQ, and then Lances have a Commander and Retinue
-FAQ comes out next month - and this book provides some clarifications
-Knights charge in a straight line - helps balance
-Knightly Qualities, Battle Standards, and Knight Strategems (with card pack, but rules are in the book as well)
-Some Strategems are unique to Knight Houses
-Playing all-Knight forces is very different and takes different tactics - expect casualties
-Beast Hunts as Matched Play, with three kinds of "monsters"
-They will do a combined Loyalist House decal sheet and Traitor one
-They will continue to do Imperial forces for the near future - Xenos might be done "someday"
-Civitas Imperialis Spires are on the way
-More Titan classes are on the way
-Grand Master Set is coming back, but no set date
-Mechanicum-style terrain is something for the future

I'm tempted to switch my WIP Legio Solaria to Legio Crucius...

Both Solaria and Fureans, which are what I'm building, have bonuses to light Titans... I was kinda hoping those two Legio would not be so similar.

Cheers for that, Schoon.

Chose Krytos as my chaos legio but unsure if I want the warmongers for the loyalists now or wait for the death bolts later on.

tneva82 wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 ah64pilot5 wrote:
I would much rather see just some round out additions for the current knights (weapon options/variant types) and additional weapon option sprues for the Titans. While I like having the knights in the game, I would prefer the focus to stay on the Titans, maybe other variant titans, some specific chaos type upgrade sprues to represent late in the heresy period...More terrain sprue options.. (actually having the weapon cards available for purchase or heaven forbid, just include them in with the actual model for all weapon options included on the sprues....)
Continue with rules and legion specific benefits for other titan legions...

I agree with you regarding a focus on titans. Seems like all-Knight forces are an extreme concept compared to the controlled, conservative approach AT takes to titan maniples. As a result, there'd seem to be a high probability of them being broken in either direction. But we'll see. *shrug*

All titan, all knight. So what? Either way one thing gets spammed

Oh I know it will get spammed, at least to an extent,,, but this is Adeptus Titanicus...not Adeptus Knightcus.... lets have more titans first,,, more options for them first,,, then expand out the knights. I know they are the big thing GW has going for 40k and all,,,, but how about maybe Lucius patterns of Warhounds first... or sprues with other options...more knights later... or for that matter,,,lets bring in the super heavies.....just my two cents worth....

Annoying that there's still no word on the resin weapon upgrades. It's literally an afternoon's work to turn a completed 3D model into a set of production-ready molds, but we still don't even have a vague idea of a date for stuff that was previewed weeks ago.

What's the point in them doing stuff in resin if it doesn't allow them to cut the lead times compared to doing them in plastic.

EDIT: And don't hold your breath for Lucius pattern, the current design team are on record from one of the event days IIRC as thinking they're just flat out ugly. As for why people want more Knights at the moment - well, they want to play Knight lists, and now that's going to be an option, they want them to be varied and effective. Without at least the addition of the Porphyrion playing Knights as-is will be pretty samey and spammy.

 schoon wrote:
-Legio Audax ONLY uses scout Titans, but more than Warhounds
-More Titan classes are on the way

Dare I hope for at least artwork of new Titans soon?

Grand master set coming back might actually spell me getting into the game. Ever since the knight bundles were undone, I dread looking at the sum underneath the cart, once I add everything I want. :(

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
Grand master set coming back might actually spell me getting into the game. Ever since the knight bundles were undone, I dread looking at the sum underneath the cart, once I add everything I want. :(

Keep in mind it's only good deal if you want everything in it. 2 warlords(so not if you plan to play maniples without 2 warlords...), knights, terrain. Of course if all is good then it's good saving and better than the maniple box but if you aren't sure you need all the battlebox maniple with ruleset adds decent saving but not as much as the GME. But the maniple box has more all around force with 1 warlord, reaver and 2 warhounds.

tneva82 wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
Grand master set coming back might actually spell me getting into the game. Ever since the knight bundles were undone, I dread looking at the sum underneath the cart, once I add everything I want. :(

Keep in mind it's only good deal if you want everything in it. 2 warlords(so not if you plan to play maniples without 2 warlords...), knights, terrain. Of course if all is good then it's good saving and better than the maniple box but if you aren't sure you need all the battlebox maniple with ruleset adds decent saving but not as much as the GME. But the maniple box has more all around force with 1 warlord, reaver and 2 warhounds.

This. I got the GME, the battle box and a plasma warlord. Now I have four warlords, which is possibly more than I need!

The battle box, plasma warlord and reaver 2 would be my recommended purchases, along with the rules set. You get 2 of each titan, a great mix of weapons and coincidentally you'll have all the right terminals.

The trouble with the GME is that it makes the batle box bad value, and otherwise that would be the most efficient way to buy titans. Dual-Bellicosa warlords are really not very good, and you definitely don't want three of them! If it came with one sprue of volcano cannons and one of plasma annihilators it'd be a totally different thing.

Hmmm, thanks for the tips!
My plan was to get GME + 1 Titan battlegroup and sell the third warlord off, next step was to buy Ceratus knights/alternative weapons.

 schoon wrote:

-They have a spreadsheet of all Legios ever mentioned, and will keep knocking them off from "top tier" down

I wonder how long it will take them to get to Legio Praetor...

On the other hand... giant lizards, you say? To the dinosaur aisle of the toy shop! Finally I have an excuse to name my Reaver Striker Eureka.

Weirdly, I'm most excited about those building spires. Not quite sure why.

I just hope Molech kicks the fluff up a notch. Neither the AT rulebook nor Titandeath managed to catch my interest with any of its background. No human element, no energy or life in the prose, nothing to make me care. It's basically just "Goodies! Baddies! Robots! Fight!" Whereas even BFG managed to be evocative and entrancing with its Jane's Warships descriptions of cruisers. Maybe that's just how GW/FW fluff is these days? Oh well. I keep thinking of that Monty Python skit with the accountant. "Dull, dull, dull! God it's dull!"

I probably sound like a broken record on this subject. But I was thinking about it while reminiscing about old computer RTS games the other day. Total Annihilation? Great game, but you didn't play it because you cared about either side. But Dark Reign on the other hand... the manual had this ridiculously in-depth backstory that was totally irrelevant to most of the game itself. (Apparently due to its organic development process, in which world-building for an early version of the game became ancient history for the finished one.) Yet thanks to it, I hated those Imperium sons of canines with a passion and barracked for the plucky Freedom Guard to avenge all those monstrous historical injustices. I only wish I could say the same for Adeptus Titanicus. I suppose I'm just meant to go buy some BL books...

And would it kill them to have a single portrait of a Princeps somewhere? I get they're on a tight budget, but I don't know how many more full-frontal technical shots of Warlords I can take...

OK, enough whinging about stuff I actually like

Incidentally, since I've asked elsewhere but had no reply... is a Reaver with twin volcano cannons a good idea? Bad idea? Crazy idea? I *think* the reactor can cope as long as it doesn't run around too much, but I haven't played enough to be sure...

I tend to agree with you on the fluff in the first couple of books. It’s all “here’s how many people live on this imaginary planet” and very little about how titan war feels. I want to know what these things sound and smell like.

Personally I don’t much like the idea of a double-volcano cannon reaver, but opinions do differ. The argument in favour that I’ve heard is that you can park it somewhere with good LoS on repair orders, or even just next to a plasma asset thing, and it’ll just sit there zapping away all game. It’s certainly useful to have a unit like that which you can activate first and can’t really be dodged. Unlike a warlord, whose carapace weapons are easily avoided if it stands still, a reaver can hit anywhere.

Another argument in favour is that, if you’re giving a reaver one volcano cannon, what else are you going to give it? No other arm weapons really have the range to work with it.

To me though, standing still far away isn’t playing to a reaver’s strength, which is its relative agility compared to a warlord. I’d much rather have mine running around with a melta and gatling gun. Then you can use your repair rolls to fix your shields and/or to cool down your reactor after moving fast.

One scenario in which double volcanos could work well is a Corsair maniple. If you’ve got that many reavers it’s be fine to have one chilling out at the back.