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 Nostromodamus wrote:
Getting pretty fething tired of seeing this NEWS AND RUMOURS thread being updated only to find yet another bloody scale argument.

It could be worse. Just be thankful you're not one of the people that's compelled to argue it. Can you imagine?

So what happened to that angry marine launcher that was teased last year?

LOL, here's hoping for good news tomorrow...

 Crimson wrote:

eldritchx wrote:

Don't be obtuse. Doors can be larger, sure, but even you must agree that they can't be smaller than a human's average height. Unfortunately for your argument, that's exactly what happens if you try to peg scale at 8mm.

Not true.

Take a ruler, put it up against a door on one of your Civitas buildings. Even if you measure the step at the base, the top of the door doesn't come up to 8mm. Do the same for the new Warlord Titan access hatch. It's demonstrably true.

As for why tneva, the only useful relevance for scale, as far as I can imagine, is as a guide for purchases of third party products and scratch building or printing terrain, in the hope of having things look as fitting as possible. Assuming that these are accurately scaled themselves, buying or producing at 8mm is going to yield doors, windows and doors that are weirdly larger than the GW products.

If people personally don't care about this, that's fine - you can be ok with miniature representation of infantry somewhat too tall for doors or buildings that don't quite match up. What's the profit in arguing for such a representation though?

In the end, arguing based on 40k scale or what GW really meant when they said this or that doesn't make any difference. It won't change the fact that things accurately scaled to 8mm won't quite match up with the current GW models. And if GW produces 8mm tall Marines at some point, that does fit the fluff description of them. If they produce baseline humans 8mm tall, that's their prerogative (and I would say inaccuracy) but I haven't seen any reason to believe they would do the latter.

Ah, Now I understand what you mean. You mean the small hatches on the actual doors. Those and vehicle access hatches are probably smaller than standard doors, this is true for all 40K vehicles as well.

And the reason to think that any future infantry would be 8ish mm tall is that GW has clearly stated (and this can be verified by existing models) that the scale is simply one fourth of 40K scale, so there is no reason to think they would deviate from this if they ever made infantry.

And for the people who are tired of the scale discussion, there isn't any actual news to be had. I don't know why nothing is happening, they previewed those knight upgrades ages ago, and they still haven't released them, right?

If there's no actual news to discuss, maybe start a scale discussion thread in the specialist games forum instead?

If there's no news to be had, better to let the thread go quiet until there is.

From WH Community...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/24/princeps-pointers-the-warlord-titanfw-homepage-post-1/

...got a feeling I may have to get one some day. Quite fancy the Sunfury variant...hmmm.

Meh, just a filler article, and even as a filler, writer somehow manage to left out the arioch claw.


Show us some cerastus pic, or that mystery titan that they've been working on for a year now, if there were any titan being worked on at all.

Chopstick wrote:
Meh, just a filler article, and even as a filler, writer somehow manage to left out the arioch claw.

Show us some cerastus pic, or that mystery titan that they've been working on for a year now, if there were any titan being worked on at all.

Yeah, its not much but it's still an AT article nonetheless, and at least FW hasn't completely forgotten about the game...

...and yes, this game feels a bit dead at the moment. The article is pointing out the painfully obvious and then telling us to purchase a unit thats been out since the game's launch. I haven't got a Warlord in my collection, but most players do have at least one of the big chaps in theirs.

Apart from the rocket pods for the Questoris, there isn't much to be excited about. Even a sneak peak of a forthcoming Titan would go a long way right now...

Maybe they haven't been selling enough Warlords compared to Reavers and Warhounds.

To be fair, the Acastus kit was released about two months ago. I agree that AT could use a more substantial release alongside a new campaign book, but my guess is that we'll be waiting until early 2020 for that.

I could see how the market for Warlords might be a little saturated for a while on the heels of the GME re-release.

 gorgon wrote:
To be fair, the Acastus kit was released about two months ago.

And that was months after a no-show for DOM's release. Just some cards and the spires.

Now, Gorgon, wouldn't you agree that they should at least humour us with the release of the Ursus Claws for the Warhounds?

Nurglitch wrote:
Maybe they haven't been selling enough Warlords compared to Reavers and Warhounds.

Yeah. Just one of the best selling releases from GW last year. Not enough sales

Oh and why it claimed apoc launchers have most dice? Gatling blasters have even more! Just release the darn weapon!

tneva82 wrote:
Oh and why it claimed apoc launchers have most dice? Gatling blasters have even more! Just release the darn weapon!

See this is the thing; for a game that is only in need of weapon upgrades, they are struggling to do even that. Given the new releases for Necromunda, Blood Bowl and LOTR, AT has only had one new unit for 2019.

On the other side of the coin, I guess having to produce terminals and weapon card sets was a distraction for the production of the models. Urgh, less said about the Knight Terminal issue the better...

The line has always been 'something every quarter' hasn't it? Not specifically a model every quarter.
And is it really ONLY the Acastus this year? Molech? Warlord Melta? The new bulidings? The FW weapons? Dice?

Its not the release schedule I'd have hoped for, certainly. but it think GW Prime's constant releases make it look worse. Even more so if the team have to look after Necromunda (do seem to ahve had more models but resin figs might be different process?), AI (probably stole a lot of the Plastic development time for FW), BB (don't think they've had a massive amount either - Elves and Halflings?)
is the pace of new releases hurting sales in specific gaming groups? Almost certainly - there are a lot of games out there to steal gaming time/attention away, and lots of things people want (when am I getting Calth and my Presagius transfers!!). The idea is to have a viable product for longer, with ongoing releases, rather than everything at the start and no reason to buy anything after 12 months, as thats part of what killed off the old specialist games)

I don't think the sky is falling yet. The AT group on Facebook still seems to be going strong.
And the Acastus was early/mid July so, based on the quarterly releases, we should be seeing soemthing new soon! (Calth seems likely! New models? Who knows)

And remember - the more specialist games we want, the less time they have to develop stuff for the existing ones!
(as i understand it, they need to prove that the cost of extra staff is covered before they can hire)

Deathwatch101 wrote:
The line has always been 'something every quarter' hasn't it? Not specifically a model every quarter.
And is it really ONLY the Acastus this year? Molech? Warlord Melta? The new bulidings? The FW weapons? Dice?

I didn't say it was the only AT release this year, but that with only one "unit" this year(so far) the rest are just accessories, and thus there shouldn't have been much for them to be struggling with. Well, thats what I meant, anyway.

But yes, hopefully theres something to look forward to this side of christmas other than a repackaged Questoris kit.

Yeah dices aren't really much to keep interest in AT going.

I'm not really concerned by the pause in the AT18 release tempo.

FW is not that big, and we knew that the release of Aeronautica Imperialis was going to remove their focus from AT for a bit.

I'm sure they'll have some toys for us in time for the holidays.

Well last interview they said they've done plastic cerastus, so if that's true it'd be cool to show off some pic, maybe even a render.

And what keep the Questoris upgrade from being released for so long, even as a separated release?

Specialist Game currently is making more games than they can handle it seems. They probably should put a hold on that BFG development too.

New cerastus? Hopefully it's the acheron then.

Though new titan would be even nicer.

Some new Cerastus would be spanking brilliant, but damn I'm really interested to see what this "Rapier" titan actually looks like. Apparently its slightly smaller than the Warhound?

SamusDrake wrote:
Some new Cerastus would be spanking brilliant, but damn I'm really interested to see what this "Rapier" titan actually looks like. Apparently its slightly smaller than the Warhound?

Probably the base for the subjugator/questor design.




Compared to the warhound, lacking the large shin plates and the torso is proportionally smaller, with the head mounted directly. Two larger mounts on the sides, these days probably acastus weapon scale, and a tertiary smaller weapon mount, plus some secondaries.

Second one, somehow, reminds me of Toad from Wind in the Willows.

Any ideas if there's ever going to be Lucius patterns produced, or maybe just Warlord Carapace Turbo Lasers?

Unlikely for first, pretty sure yes for second

Nurglitch wrote:
Any ideas if there's ever going to be Lucius patterns produced, or maybe just Warlord Carapace Turbo Lasers?

Ever? That's a long time.

But they've said in design reviews that they have MANY bigger fish to fry before looking at different patterns of the same Titans - essentially nixing the idea.

Just you wait, for tomorrow...Coming Soon...

LUCIUS WARHOUNDS!

Add these badboys to your maniple for only 50pts each! Give those pesky Acastus swines some payback!

I reckon the nemesis war ringer is going to make a surprise appearance soon. It’s pretty much done. Any other new Titan classes will make an appearance at the weekender.

Fun fact: the AA guns ground defences in Aeronautica look to be identical to the AA guns on the nemesis Titan. Right down to the mounting...

 zedmeister wrote:
I reckon the nemesis war ringer is going to make a surprise appearance soon. It’s pretty much done. Any other new Titan classes will make an appearance at the weekender.

Fun fact: the AA guns ground defences in Aeronautica look to be identical to the AA guns on the nemesis Titan. Right down to the mounting...

That would be champion if it is the Warbringer. Saying that, although it shares weapons with the Reaver...that would be only four, and thats two from each weapon sprue. Maybe it would be the first resin titan?

SamusDrake wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
I reckon the nemesis war ringer is going to make a surprise appearance soon. It’s pretty much done. Any other new Titan classes will make an appearance at the weekender.

Fun fact: the AA guns ground defences in Aeronautica look to be identical to the AA guns on the nemesis Titan. Right down to the mounting...

That would be champion if it is the Warbringer. Saying that, although it shares weapons with the Reaver...that would be only four, and thats two from each weapon sprue. Maybe it would be the first resin titan?

I'm hoping the delay in the warbringer is due to designing a second and maybe third carapace gun mount. I would love to see a sonic obliterator like the ordinatus, and a massive support missile rack would be pretty cool.

Still hoping some of these cool mini weapons will show up in full scale at some point...

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I would love to see a sonic obliterator like the ordinatus, and a massive support missile rack would be pretty cool.

Steady on - those things could hurt someone!