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 zedmeister wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Still not the Knight battleforce then. Does anyone know the ETA and contents?

Looking at the leaked upcoming releases, reckon we'll see the pre-order annoucement this Sunday

Thanks. They seem to be cutting it pretty close as far as xmas releases go. I can only assume it's the usual under-production problems that have been plaguing them for a long time now. I don't understand it myself. People seem to be getting pretty annoyed at this point, with the Sisters box being the the most obvious recent example.

JWBS wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Still not the Knight battleforce then. Does anyone know the ETA and contents?

Looking at the leaked upcoming releases, reckon we'll see the pre-order annoucement this Sunday

Thanks. They seem to be cutting it pretty close as far as xmas releases go. I can only assume it's the usual under-production problems that have been plaguing them for a long time now. I don't understand it myself. People seem to be getting pretty annoyed at this point, with the Sisters box being the the most obvious recent example.

The Knight battleforce would be a Saturday preorder through Games Workshop anyway so it was never going to be today.

The Battleforces should also be available to all retailers. It would make sense if they announced it on Sunday. Monday - retailer pre orders, 30th - general webstore pre orders, december 7th - offcial release, just in time for xmas.

 zedmeister wrote:
New Warlord Carapace Weapons today

Eh, I kind of wish carapace weapons were restricted to 'light' and 'medium' titan weapons only. So, limited to Warhound weapons and Reaver carapace options. IMO Laser Blaster already skirted the border but gatlings drive right over it while kicking it into a ditch. Why not paired volcano cannons then? Or plasma annihilators? Though, speaking of plasma, funnily enough plasma blastguns are missing despite making very good (and logical) carapace weapon...

Carapace weapons for a bigger class have always been “up to” main weapon on the next size down. So reavers can take warhound main guns as carapace mounts and warlords can take reaver main guns as carapace mounts. This has been the case since Epic Space Marine at least.

My brother made a wonderful Warlord back in the day with two arm-mounted Melta Cannons and two carapace-mounted Gatling Blasters. That was back when it wasn't unusual for a Warlord to mount four different capital weapons (Epic: Space Marine 2nd edition in case anyone was curious.)

I'm faintly annoyed with myself because they have Turbo Lasers out for Warlords now and all I can think is that they're not side-by-side like Imperius Dictatio's are.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Carapace weapons for a bigger class have always been “up to” main weapon on the next size down. So reavers can take warhound main guns as carapace mounts and warlords can take reaver main guns as carapace mounts. This has been the case since Epic Space Marine at least.

That technically 'might' have been the case, but it makes very little sense and IMHO should have been changed for AT. Why would anyone mount twin bolter on a Warlord when you can mount paired gatlings? Well, yes, of course, game arbitrarily limits you to X points, but 'in universe' mounting gakky gun when something vastly superior (and lower tech at that, so you don't even have usual excuse 'Forge World Z can't produce it') exists makes no sense.

They already had to put arbitrary bonus on turbolasers because Laser Blasters would make them completely obsolete - if it is because lighter gun is easier to move and aim, and they have problems with such small change as adding one turbolaser barrel, then things like gatlings should be really terrible to move and aim, commanding massive penalties to anything but straight forward fire.

No, however you look at it, realism, verisimilitude, balance, big guns should have no place at all on carapace mounts or command big penalties to aim (and honestly titan movement too, adding something so heavy so high up should make stumbling or being pushed to fall very easy). The missile launchers should be the biggest possible weapon, and even then only because missiles don't need to rely on mount for aiming but do the required maneuvers completely on their own.

 Irbis wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
New Warlord Carapace Weapons today

Eh, I kind of wish carapace weapons were restricted to 'light' and 'medium' titan weapons only. So, limited to Warhound weapons and Reaver carapace options. IMO Laser Blaster already skirted the border but gatlings drive right over it while kicking it into a ditch. Why not paired volcano cannons then? Or plasma annihilators? Though, speaking of plasma, funnily enough plasma blastguns are missing despite making very good (and logical) carapace weapon...

Well, they are a lighter weapon. The Gatling Blasters are the smaller Reaver version of the weapon and aren't the same as the Macro gatling blasters. You could always put whatever you wanted on the carapace in the older games, even quad plasma destructors if that was what you wanted. Titan couldn't do much else but it melted everything...

As for why you would fit Vulcans over Gatlings, well, the higher rate of fire and exploding 6 mechanic makes them a very worthy alternative at the cost of range. Gatling blasters have a lower rate fo fire but a greater range. Horses for courses...

 Irbis wrote:
That technically 'might' have been the case, but it makes very little sense and IMHO should have been changed for AT. Why would anyone mount twin bolter on a Warlord when you can mount paired gatlings? /quote]
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In addition, Megabolter ammunition is probably easier to source as it is used by other vehicles, an on Warhounds at least has been shown as a very effective anti-fighter weapon in at least occasion in the lore.

Nurglitch wrote:


I'm faintly annoyed with myself because they have Turbo Lasers out for Warlords now and all I can think is that they're not side-by-side like Imperius Dictatio's are.

Imperium Dictatio was a Lucius pattern. Mars carapace mounts seem to be vertical compared to the reaver or lucius versions.
I plan to get a set and add them to a titan with a volcano cannon and Gatling arm and name it Mechanicus Dictatio since it is mars pattern

Good to see more new releases.

Hopefully there will be something in December's White Dwarf...

I know it's basically "non-news" since nothing concrete was really shown, but I'm surprised that no one's mentioning AT getting a shout out in the latest Horus Heresy post.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/20/the-next-stages-of-the-horus-heresyfw-homepage-post-1/

Adeptus Titanicus will also grow, adding new models and campaigns, letting you fight with god-machines in the Age of Darkness.

So at least we do have some confirmation that new stuff (both books and models) are in the works.

I know it'll irritate some AT players but I'm really hoping they prioritize releasing all the extant Knight variants throughout next year. I need some tiny Armigers and Dominuses!

Well spotted Jack. I glanced at the article but not being a 30K player I quickly dismissed it.

I don't think more Knights will hurt the game as long as the rules are sensible. Deep down I was hoping the Acastus would be a hybrid of a Knight and TItan(gameplay wise) as the Knights feel a bit simple compared to the rather "indepth" titans. Having armies of one extreme to the other is a bit tiresome and I think the game would benefit from such units and battle groups. A minimum maniple and lance is the best we have now for a mixed battlegroup.

Knight Household Battleforce. 12 Knights - 6 Questoris, 4 Cerastus & 2 Porphyrion.

Wow, no powerfist sprue.

JWBS wrote:
Wow, no powerfist sprue.

To make it work as a knight force you need one box of questoris (each squad has to have the same weapons). The fist sprue has a lot of repeats, so this should go along way to cover the force.

Cheap christmast for me(compared to 2 battle boxes last year...). Already have enough knights to get by...But if you are short on knights good deal. I just happen to have 18/8/4 already

JWBS wrote:
Wow, no powerfist sprue.

Or they didn't have any of those Questoris painted to match the Cerastus & Porphyrion - the box artwork has fist & missile pod (but I'm clutching at straws here)

Either/Or wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Wow, no powerfist sprue.

To make it work as a knight force you need one box of questoris (each squad has to have the same weapons). The fist sprue has a lot of repeats, so this should go along way to cover the force.

Will this box include that sprue? I thought that they would have shown it in the photos, but I just realised that they don't sell the old box w/o the gauntlets anymore, so now I'm thinking that it probably does include that option? The art on the box has the Knight Warden (or Knight with gauntlet, whatever that configuration is called).

I would be very surprised if the set doesn't come with the upgrade sprues. Without them the box contents are worth only £110, and I doubt very much the set will cost any less than £100(GW is obsessed with £100+ products). If its two lots of Thunderstrike Questoris sets included then that becomes £120 and GW is then in a position to sell it as "A box of Cerastus free!".

Besides, including two upgrade sprues will allow for two lances out of the box, with two melee weapons and a rocket pod for each Knight.

Either/Or wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Wow, no powerfist sprue.

To make it work as a knight force you need one box of questoris (each squad has to have the same weapons). The fist sprue has a lot of repeats, so this should go along way to cover the force.

The box is a legal force, but questoris banner had to be freeblde.

Under the heavily restricted (and terrible) knight household rule. 2/3 banner had to be the same type. So the force you get in the box will either be 2 cerastus banner + 1 acastus, or 2 acastus + 1 cerastus, and questoris as freeblade.

Also I don't think they will include fist sprue.

Been waiting for something like this to grab some knights at a good price, nice to see the box finally confirmed

SamusDrake wrote:
I would be very surprised if the set doesn't come with the upgrade sprues. Without them the box contents are worth only £110, and I doubt very much the set will cost any less than £100(GW is obsessed with £100+ products). If its two lots of Thunderstrike Questoris sets included then that becomes £120 and GW is then in a position to sell it as "A box of Cerastus free!".

Besides, including two upgrade sprues will allow for two lances out of the box, with two melee weapons and a rocket pod for each Knight.

IIRC the leaked release list had this box at $50 cheaper than the other battleforces, which would put it at around £70-75 RRP.

 xttz wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
I would be very surprised if the set doesn't come with the upgrade sprues. Without them the box contents are worth only £110, and I doubt very much the set will cost any less than £100(GW is obsessed with £100+ products). If its two lots of Thunderstrike Questoris sets included then that becomes £120 and GW is then in a position to sell it as "A box of Cerastus free!".

Besides, including two upgrade sprues will allow for two lances out of the box, with two melee weapons and a rocket pod for each Knight.

IIRC the leaked release list had this box at $50 cheaper than the other battleforces, which would put it at around £60-65 RRP.

That would be an incredible 40% discount.

I really hope you're right as that would provide an amazing entry point into AT. For a single player it would provide a strong lance with support or enough for a respectable open-play game for two players. Even if one throws in an upgrade kit on the order, its still a huge saving.

Edit; damn, you've gone for £70-£75. Not as great but still great.

SamusDrake wrote:

 xttz wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
I would be very surprised if the set doesn't come with the upgrade sprues. Without them the box contents are worth only £110, and I doubt very much the set will cost any less than £100(GW is obsessed with £100+ products). If its two lots of Thunderstrike Questoris sets included then that becomes £120 and GW is then in a position to sell it as "A box of Cerastus free!".

Besides, including two upgrade sprues will allow for two lances out of the box, with two melee weapons and a rocket pod for each Knight.

IIRC the leaked release list had this box at $50 cheaper than the other battleforces, which would put it at around £60-65 RRP.

That would be an incredible 40% discount.

I really hope you're right as that would provide an amazing entry point into AT. For a single player it would provide a strong lance with support or enough for a respectable open-play game for two players. Even if one throws in an upgrade kit on the order, its still a huge saving.

Edit; damn, you've gone for £70-£75. Not as great but still great.

£75 would suit me fine. I've been looking forward to this for a couple of months now, I have plenty Titans because I bought two of the battle force boxes last year, but as yet I have no Knights. I had planned on getting some Acastus and Questoris, but I'm not too keen on the Lancers (I have the 40K scale Archeron and Castigator but the Lancer just doesn't do it for me), and at £100 I may have just skipped this box, given how many Lancers are included. But if it's £75 full rrp I'll definitely buy two boxes.

I was considering picking this up if it had the upgrade sprue, but that's not looking likely. Since I already have 4 Acastus I'll probably only bother if I can sell on the new ones.

Leaked list had $130 for the knight household battleforce, so likely £80 (taking Morathi as comparison point).
Box art cover depicts a knight with a gauntlet and a missile launcher, but the "content" picture doesn't, so unclear as to having an upgrade sprue or not (hoping for one but not holding my breath). Based on the "content" picture, value is £110 (about 27% savings).

Given that the knight set without the missile launchers and power fists is sold out on the webstore I am guessing that we will be getting the upgrade sprue and the older box is being phased out entirely.

Either that or GW are throwing in the last of their stock into the bundle to get rid of them...

The "contents" photo looks more like a photoshop composite from the individual kits product pages. And the only Questoris Knights on the store with the same colour scheme as the others are the ones without the upgrade kit.