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I assume the legio ignatum transfer sheet sold out to pre-orders, as today is release day and all knowledge of it has been expunged from the GW website?

If anyone is interested, the psi-Titan is being supplied as a full (shrink-wrapped) Warlord plus a Forge World ‘white box’ containing a “Warlord-Sinister Psi-Titan Upgrade Kit” which would seem to imply that the upgrade kit may be available separately later.

Titanicus expansion books are now available digitally.

Chopstick wrote:

 Sherrypie wrote:

What error are you talking about? The top Volcano is supposed to be a Belicosa, not the smaller Reaver one and seems to be all right?

Sigh, okay here goes

The model they sell to you come with :

1. The S10 Reaver arm Volcano Cannon

2. Reaver arm Laser Blaster

3. Carapace Mori Quake Cannon.

For the punch card you get 3 cards on it:

1. Carapace Mori Quake Cannon.

2. Carapace Belicosa Volcano Cannon.

3. Reaver arm Laser Blaster.

Something is missing?

Hire a design checker.

Right, I see. See, I agree with others that this is a non-issue. The important thing is that you get the two new cards, rest is just gravy which probably has something to do with how they print those things. Filling space with an extra arm card is better than leaving it off.

Yeah it's not a huge issue as the main rules set comes with the missing Reaver card.

What might be a problem is if there's another Warbringer box that comes with the wrong volcano cannon card. Suppose they still have time to fix that though.

How is the new book? One of my buddies is super reactionary and was raving about this book completely breaking the game.

Any truth?

 Togusa wrote:
How is the new book? One of my buddies is super reactionary and was raving about this book completely breaking the game.

Any truth?

What was your buddy saying was game-breaking about it?

The Psi-Titan stuff?

I watched the Twitch feed battle report from Thursday with the new rules, and while it's not definitive, there didn't seem to be anything massively unbalanced about the new stuff.

I'm picking up the starter set when I get back from vacation. Finally gonna add actual Titans to the pair of Cerastus I bought for test painting the HH/40K scale knights I have.

Excited to actually play the game, all of the batreps I've watched really gets me hyped.

 Togusa wrote:
How is the new book? One of my buddies is super reactionary and was raving about this book completely breaking the game.

Any truth?

Nah. Maniples are fun more than super powerful (Canis throws a spanner in the works but doesn't really add to killiness, Arcus is stylistic, Mandatus is good for smaller games when you just want a Warlord and Ruptura takes skill to pull off and telegraphs its thing very much in advance), psititans are so expensive they earn the right to be powerful while dying just as easily as Warlords in general, Legio traits look good but have drawbacks (only Warhounds for Audax, less movement for Mordax, doesn't work at short range for Praesagius...) et cetera.

This book looks to be damn exciting with new things that aren't oppressive like the Acastus were. This is good.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
If anyone is interested, the psi-Titan is being supplied as a full (shrink-wrapped) Warlord plus a Forge World ‘white box’ containing a “Warlord-Sinister Psi-Titan Upgrade Kit” which would seem to imply that the upgrade kit may be available separately later.

Which along with the over priced Blackstone expansion is GW's second "jerk" move of 2020. Its even two separate lines on the invoice.

No reason other than profiteering that they did it this way.

It it’s following the same pattern as the Warlord & Reaver variants, and the upgrade will be released sepeately later?

Reading through the Shadow and Iron fluff, and there is a mention of the Legio Praesagius fielding a Warmonger Titan at Calth. No real description of it though, other than it being larger than a Warlord. So that's another one to speculate about

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Reading through the Shadow and Iron fluff, and there is a mention of the Legio Praesagius fielding a Warmonger Titan at Calth. No real description of it though, other than it being larger than a Warlord. So that's another one to speculate about

Warmonger was the alternate Emperor-class titan style, focused around long range fire support rather than short-mid range like an Imperator.

That’s not a new type; it’s the other pattern of Emperor Titan.
For those that don’t know, the Emperor class chassis had two different possible load-outs (the main weapons were so massive and so integrated into the rest of the Titan that simple weapon swap refits weren’t an option), the Imperator (Hellstorm Cannon and Macro-plasma Annihilator, aka the ‘common’ one) and the Warmonger which carried a Doomstrike missile battery (eight support missiles which could be vortex or warp or some other things) and a Vengeance Cannon, basically a double-barrelled, extended range Bellicosa Cannon.

 xttz wrote:


Warmonger was the alternate Emperor-class titan style, focused around long range fire support rather than short-mid range like an Imperator.

Oh yeah, the metal conversion kit for the old Imperator.

I don't think I recall ever seeing the kit sold for the warmonger. I know there's a load of conversions out there for it. If it was sold then it must have been one of those short term things that vanished pretty fast.

I think it was a ‘mail order only’ kit.

Back when GW was a lot more...relaxed about these things, they let you call the U.K. from anywhere and get anything, bits included.

They routinely offer up limited/rare/test stuff too - it was during one of the calls that I picked up a Warmonger conversion kit.

I eventually (foolishly) sold it on, years later...

Anyway, I don’t think the Warmonger ever saw general release?

I seem to recall it was, via the Citadel Journal, but for the relative blink of an eye?

Certainly it was advertised, but whether that eventually matched to an official release I dunno.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I seem to recall it was, via the Citadel Journal, but for the relative blink of an eye?

Certainly it was advertised, but whether that eventually matched to an official release I dunno.

IIRC it was released, but was one of those kits that kept destroying the moulds so they quickly pulled it.

Ah, I remember those days!

 TwilightSparkles wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
If anyone is interested, the psi-Titan is being supplied as a full (shrink-wrapped) Warlord plus a Forge World ‘white box’ containing a “Warlord-Sinister Psi-Titan Upgrade Kit” which would seem to imply that the upgrade kit may be available separately later.

Which along with the over priced Blackstone expansion is GW's second "jerk" move of 2020. Its even two separate lines on the invoice.

No reason other than profiteering that they did it this way.

“Two separate lines on the invoice”

Anyone tried cancelling the superfluous invoice line then? Or returning it?

changemod wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
If anyone is interested, the psi-Titan is being supplied as a full (shrink-wrapped) Warlord plus a Forge World ‘white box’ containing a “Warlord-Sinister Psi-Titan Upgrade Kit” which would seem to imply that the upgrade kit may be available separately later.

Which along with the over priced Blackstone expansion is GW's second "jerk" move of 2020. Its even two separate lines on the invoice.

No reason other than profiteering that they did it this way.

“Two separate lines on the invoice”

Anyone tried cancelling the superfluous invoice line then? Or returning it?

Considering GW is only packaging and shipping paired sets chances are it would just cancel the whole order. Either automatically or when its reviewed and packed for shipping.

Honestly we know that GW is likely doing the same thing they've done several times before with AT - releasing a full kit and then upgrade kits later. Keep in mind even iwth the magnet slots many people will be building single mechs and the Psy Titan is just the sort of thing many will build as a single build model. So they'll need the warlord core most of the time regardless.

SamusDrake wrote:


Being as they have the warbringer's weapons on a single sprue, it seems easily exchanged for a variant kit - which has already been the case for the Reaver and Warlord. Even if not, why expect customers to purchase both of the previous two Reaver weapon sprues and a resin Volcano cannon?

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Apart from moulds being expensive so fw has only limited amount of plastics they are allowed to put out? Why didn't they put out 3rd plastic warlord or reaver for missing weapons?


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 TwilightSparkles wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
If anyone is interested, the psi-Titan is being supplied as a full (shrink-wrapped) Warlord plus a Forge World ‘white box’ containing a “Warlord-Sinister Psi-Titan Upgrade Kit” which would seem to imply that the upgrade kit may be available separately later.

Which along with the over priced Blackstone expansion is GW's second "jerk" move of 2020. Its even two separate lines on the invoice.

No reason other than profiteering that they did it this way.

Bohoo. Would it have made you happier to have it all in white box?

Bohoo. Wohoo. Weep weep weep

Warmonger was a pre-order from mail order deal as noted during Titan Legion day’s (my cousin used to grab all sorts of models that way, hence why I now have his warmonger plus one of the never released dark elf sorceress models).

It did make a short appearance during the Firepower day’s (that spoilered image was from there) so it was “properly” available but for a very short period before epic 40k went away forever :(

 Alpharius wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
How is the new book? One of my buddies is super reactionary and was raving about this book completely breaking the game.

Any truth?

What was your buddy saying was game-breaking about it?

The Psi-Titan stuff?

He didn't specify, he simply said "This new book completely breaks the entire game, I'm getting out, selling my titans. 200$ and they're all yours."

 Togusa wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
How is the new book? One of my buddies is super reactionary and was raving about this book completely breaking the game.

Any truth?

What was your buddy saying was game-breaking about it?

The Psi-Titan stuff?

He didn't specify, he simply said "This new book completely breaks the entire game, I'm getting out, selling my titans. 200$ and they're all yours."

Uh… OK? I have no idea how it does that, especially if the game can survive the unabridged Acastus… I for one would be interested to know what is so “broken” if you can find out?

But before that, what’s his collection like and would you be willing to re-ship?

sounds like you can get a good deal on the stuff from your friend. over-Reactionary decisions are never a good idea.

tneva82 wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:


Being as they have the warbringer's weapons on a single sprue, it seems easily exchanged for a variant kit - which has already been the case for the Reaver and Warlord. Even if not, why expect customers to purchase both of the previous two Reaver weapon sprues and a resin Volcano cannon?

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Apart from moulds being expensive so fw has only limited amount of plastics they are allowed to put out? Why didn't they put out 3rd plastic warlord or reaver for missing weapons?

Which is cheaper to release; A brand new titan with entirely new sprues - or an existing titan which only requires an alternative weapon sprue? Got a feeling the Warbringer and its variant will probably be the only substantial titan release until later in the year - possibly until 2021. They did mention some Knight releases and more books, and this month has seen more AT releases than any other...this could be it for a long while. Realistically, they have released two Titans this month...

Those plastic upgrade sprues were made with the titan and variant kits in mind. Both sprues on the Reaver have exactly 1 carapace and 3 arm weapons and a head for the titan, and thats as far as they needed to go with plastic. That goes for the Warlord too, although its blessed with far more components than the Reaver. I don't think they intend to release more than one plastic variant kit for a titan, and the Warhounds didn't seem to need one.

As they are already following a vanilla-then-variant-then-resin release format for the previous larger titans, I don't seem them changing that for the time being. I reckon we'll see a Warbringer variant kit, then a separate upgrade sprue, and then going forward new weapons will be released in resin to coincide with new books - much like the Ursus Claws and the other hound weapon. Well, I'm assuming the new weapons are going to be resin - I'm jumping the gun on that one, but confident all the same.

 Togusa wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
How is the new book? One of my buddies is super reactionary and was raving about this book completely breaking the game.

Any truth?

What was your buddy saying was game-breaking about it?

The Psi-Titan stuff?

He didn't specify, he simply said "This new book completely breaks the entire game, I'm getting out, selling my titans. 200$ and they're all yours."

I tend to find that people like that can be:

1) Young and impulsive or just very impulsive.

2) Were already looking for a way out and just use a new book/rules/event as an excuse to help self justify their choice.

3) Want to have an easy "I win" button, but don't want others to have them. So for AT where everyone has (currently) the same roster; anything they can see as overpowered is bad because it means their opponents all get it too. Plus something "big" like a new titan is really obvious rather than a subtle army list twist that gives them the edge.

4) Just mouthing off and next week they've still got their models and want a game. Sometimes this group can come unstuck if they actually do go through with an idea and end up without an army that, within a few days, they want again.



As a friend I'd try and convince them to stay or at least see how they are in a weeks time and if they are still really wound up about it. Sometimes people cool off; sometimes you can help cool them of; and sometimes it just builds and builds and they cannot be turned from their path.