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To save everyone a click, the Acastus has been nerfed hard:

Roughly doubled in points.
Conversion beamer is +15pts more than magna lascannons.
Max 1-2 knights per banner.
Must be taken as reinforcements, can't be part of a lance.
Max 1 banner per maniple / lance.

Probably fair, although it would have been nice to still take them within a lance.

edit for top of page:

beast_gts wrote:
The Adeptus Titanicus FAQ and Errata has been updated.

It was needed. Two can still shoot up a Reaver without breaking much of a sweat. But now you pay for the privilege


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Oh, and it looks like they've now stated the unless explicity mentioned, stratagems are one use only

So much for "don't want to change card because people paid for it"

Also Gatling weapon on knight still suck.

Big boost for Legio Vulcanum & a deserved nerf for Legio Fortidus as well

*slaps head* So rather than tone down acastus so they don't shoot ridiculously lot and still keep shooting them take ages with dtons of scatter they just limited number of them you can take.

How knight can outshoot titan...And not even warhound one.

tneva82 wrote:
*slaps head* So rather than tone down acastus so they don't shoot ridiculously lot and still keep shooting them take ages with dtons of scatter they just limited number of them you can take.

How knight can outshoot titan...And not even warhound one.

Totally agree. Their weapons feel disproportionate vs Titan weapons. Would have preferred a weapon nerf to balance these vs the point and #/list, but this change is preferable to no changes by a mile.

I'm surprised they didn't just release a new printable pdf for acastus banner. Instead they expect people to scribble dabble on the banner card like some Orkz?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/02/28/adeptus-titanicus-the-latest-faqsfw-homepage-post-3/

They deliberately made changes that only affect army list writing, so that existing command terminals don't become inccurate for in-game use. It's not perfect but it does make some sense.

Hopefully they'll update the downloadable terminals too, as we never got Acastus on there in the first place. Would also be nice to see things like titans of legend that are now out of print.

 zedmeister wrote:
Oh, and it looks like they've now stated the unless explicity mentioned, stratagems are one use only

That was needed also.

Either/Or wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
*slaps head* So rather than tone down acastus so they don't shoot ridiculously lot and still keep shooting them take ages with dtons of scatter they just limited number of them you can take.

How knight can outshoot titan...And not even warhound one.

Totally agree. Their weapons feel disproportionate vs Titan weapons. Would have preferred a weapon nerf to balance these vs the point and #/list, but this change is preferable to no changes by a mile.

Yeah better than nothing. Doesn't affect our games then though. We continue with our own nerfs. Keeps them feel more like big knights than small titans and faster to play.

When as opponent you are hoping acastus banner gets few if any misses it's not a good sign

They changed the following on the Acastus:

Acastus Knight Banner

Front of Card

Change the base points cost of an Acastus Knight Banner to 150 points + weapons.

Acastus Knight Banner

Back of Card

Change the Unit Size description to:“An Acastus Knight Banner consists of one Acastus Knight Lord Scion. If you wish, you can add an additional Acastus Knight Scion Marital for 130 points.”

Change the cost of the Twin Magna Lascannon & Ironstorm Missile Pod to +35 points.

Change the cost of the Twin Conversion Beam Cannon and Karacnos Mortar Battery to +50 points.

Add the following special rule:“Auxiliary Knight Banner: A Battlegroup can include a maximum of one Acastus Knight Banner per maniple as reinforcements. A Knight Household Force can include a maximum of one Auxiliary Knight Banner per Lance as reinforcements. No Knight Banner within a Lance may be an Auxiliary Knight Banner.”

Is the thinking that this doesn't 'help' with the issue enough?

Well i would say it's enough. Just not from angle i would prefer. I would have nerfed guns so even reavers aren"t so scared of firefight vs them and where game doesn't go to scatter template mess.

Big knight rather than small titan would be where i would prefer to see them.

Blast also feels just weird. Those lasers never seemed huge explosions but rather focused beams

It helps, as you get less of them on the field and they cannot be used as the cheapest extra activation in the game any more, it is just aesthetically annoying they didn't change their normal rules to be less effective. Knights shooting bigger guns than turbolasers is very counterintuitive in an otherwise pretty immersive game.

Turbolaser in AT is pretty weak, in comparison to its function in other setting.

Knights also carry very impressive weaponry, because they're made (or remade) in the modern age. Atropos carry a vortex gun(which is S10 in AT), and a destroyer class blowtorch.

So wait a minute...what?

Are they seriously suggesting that the two Acastus Banners I have in my Lance are no longer allowed?

I strongly suspect the guns weren't nerfed because they feel they're needed to help make Knight armies competitive.

SamusDrake wrote:
So wait a minute...what?

Are they seriously suggesting that the two Acastus Banners I have in my Lance are no longer allowed?

I dunno, I don't play, but my first thought was to wonder why they restricted numbers allowed instead of just nerfing, because applying number restrictions seems like the least fun way to make them fair to play.

So basically, we are now expected to build our lances out of Questoris and Lancers alone...

Might as well not even bother.

SamusDrake wrote:
So basically, we are now expected to build our lances out of Questoris and Lancers alone...

Might as well not even bother.

Yeah, I was pondering a Household army but not now.

I think it is still viable - just perhaps not as...easy...as it was before?

You can still use all of those Knights in a rousing game of Epic Space Marine/Titan Legions too - bonus!

They really need to make up their minds - either all-Knight armies are intended to be viable or they're just meant to be fluff. If they want them to be viable, they're eventually just going to have to learn to ignore the whinging of the "AT is for Titans and only Titans!!!" crowd, who'll never be satisfied until Knights are nothing more than a minor speedbump for Scout engines.

"Knight household force" rule and anything related is a joke. No care or consideration whatsoever. Giving up the freedom of movement/loadout, free maniple/legio rule, and useful stratagem for some lacklusting "equivalent" is not how you do it.

Acastus are still good point filler, just not as durable. They're more like glasscannon now.

 gorgon wrote:
I strongly suspect the guns weren't nerfed because they feel they're needed to help make Knight armies competitive.

Eh you can have weaker guns at cheaper cost and beefier gun at beefier cost. Neither is inheritently better(assuming cost is correct) or needed for competive.

However it does affect how the unit feels. Now poryphorion is serious worry in shooting duel to reaver that's not equipped with volcano cannon.

At least I would prefer poryphonion that feels big knight rather than small titan with big titan weapons.

Both ways can be balanced and competive.

But which way you want it to feel? Should the knights outshoot titans by being armed with bigger badder weapons or by having numbers at their side?

(also less amount allowed of overpowered stuff is by definition of bad rule design. If you claim something is fine because it's 0-1 that's bad arqument. The infamous unique price drop. It just makes 0-1 into effectively 1)

edit: Also there's issue of time. Rolling 7-8 scatters when 2 poryphorion fires isn't fun. And 4 is average often enough. That takes annoiying amount of time. When as an opponent you hope they don't miss just to save time there'ssomething wrong.

They've effectively taken knight armies back to square one, as we already had the choice to take Titans as support to provided much needed firepower.

To balance things out they will now introduce the following rule for Knight houses....

Harsh language; To represent the frustation of only being allowed firepower in support only, Knight players may now swear at players fielding an opposing Titan force. Only the following keywords may be used.... <£?!*head> and <&#!hole>. The Frank Spencer insult keyword <you devil!> cannot be used.


Well, I guess we're gonna need a new maniple to replace our now broken Knight house....

Noting that the FAQ was updated:

- Warbringer top gun now has Carapace
- Tracer Cloud and Concealment Barrage are used at the Strategy phase instead of any phase

All good.

So @ GAMA GW has previewed more Cerastus pattern knights on the way.

Acheron & Castigator along with new Ryza campaign book.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/03/10/revealed-at-gamagw-homepage-post-3fw-homepage-post-4/

Still no Atropos...

Thanks, @Racerguy.

That's a significant update.

Look like just a weapon kit, no new heads

Barrel bit for gatling (yay!).

Posing the gun might be annoying.

Hopefully we'll have enought bit to make 2 Acheron/castigator without buying another.

Looks like new heads to me?

The Cerastus knights are just one sprue with heads, weapons etc on, so this will be a whole new sprue (the shoulder armour looks different too).

Images:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Looks like new heads to me?

I reckon you didn't own a Cerastus kit? They came with all the heads shown.

They aren't short on new Cerastus head design either, FW made a bunch of them in 40k scale already.

The shoulder pad armor for Castigator are just new bit slapped on existing shoulder armor. No need for new body sprue again.