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I’m confused why we’re arguing about what weapons the Atrapos should have, when we know what weapons it has from 40k and neither of them are vortex weapons?

Chopstick wrote:
Vortex grenade is a thing.

It is, but it's effect is rather limited. A traditional 40k blast template doesn't even register on the scale where AT operates, and as I said, "on the scale implied in the rules" where Vortex weapons leave rolling warp holes the size of buildings on the table and hit harder than most titan scale weapons bypassing shields... just don't put that on knights, where it doesn't belong.

Just a question for those running Ursus claws and Natrix lances; are they any good against enemy hounds, reavers and knights? Or are they best used on Lords and Bringers?

I'm considering a trio of warhounds for a Lupercal maniple, but trying to avoid repeating whats on the other side of the table, so to speak.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I’m confused why we’re arguing about what weapons the Atrapos should have, when we know what weapons it has from 40k and neither of them are vortex weapons?

Because it has a wandering template in 30k/40k that still used templates.

Anyhow yes it can’t be *too* devastating because it’s a knight weapon in a titan game, but I think most people were expecting a literal black hole gun to be more exciting than “S6 shot”.

 Sherrypie wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Vortex grenade is a thing.

It is, but it's effect is rather limited. A traditional 40k blast template doesn't even register on the scale where AT operates, and as I said, "on the scale implied in the rules" where Vortex weapons leave rolling warp holes the size of buildings on the table and hit harder than most titan scale weapons bypassing shields... just don't put that on knights, where it doesn't belong.

Then it'll be a non-blast weapon, a lot of large blast weapon are non-blast in this game.As mentioned a lot of time before, the Graviton cannon is not a true vortex weapon, it's an unstable weapon that can create a vortex warp hole. and also have the equally chance of destroying its own user. If they had written the rule that way and gave it the correct range (12"), it wouldn't even be that great. Weapon work fine in 30/40k, don't know why it suddenly not belong here? There're plenty of space on the card to write a new rule for the weapon.

Also the rule that give blast weapon double hit is an inherently broken mechanic

 Sherrypie wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Vortex grenade is a thing.

It is, but it's effect is rather limited. A traditional 40k blast template doesn't even register on the scale where AT operates, and as I said, "on the scale implied in the rules" where Vortex weapons leave rolling warp holes the size of buildings on the table and hit harder than most titan scale weapons bypassing shields... just don't put that on knights, where it doesn't belong.

Just a suggestion, perhaps take a gander at the 30k atrapos rules. It literally has a chance of generating a roaming template that eats stuff, much like a vortex grenade. It wouldn't need be every shot, could be like on 6's or something. There's a description of an atrapos in the latest book killing two titans by running between them and cutting the leg of one so if fell into the other, they're meant to be quite the knight.


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changemod wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I’m confused why we’re arguing about what weapons the Atrapos should have, when we know what weapons it has from 40k and neither of them are vortex weapons?

Because it has a wandering template in 30k/40k that still used templates.

Anyhow yes it can’t be *too* devastating because it’s a knight weapon in a titan game, but I think most people were expecting a literal black hole gun to be more exciting than “S6 shot”.

Exactly that.

I have the black books those appeared and have read them, yes. Again, making a teeny template that rolls around on a scale where turbo lasers work like laser pointers is rather irrelevant in comparison to how Vortex is currently written in the rules (that being d6 S10 hits bypassing shields). That's what I'm objecting to, not the possibility of having more oompf in the gun than one S6 blast. It could have a chance to gain extra strenght on sixes or something similar while hurting itself on ones, sure.

Regarding that leg-cutting, it's pretty good at that as is. Two attacks, hitting on 2+ rerolling ones against non-Warhound titans and from behind the you have a 60 % chance per hit to score at least Devastating hits against Reavers. A pair of those guys can rather reliably cut down a titan on Charge.

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 Sherrypie wrote:


Regarding that leg-cutting, it's pretty good at that as is. Two attacks, hitting on 2+ rerolling ones against non-Warhound titans and from behind the you have a 60 % chance per hit to score at least Devastating hits against Reavers. A pair of those guys can rather reliably cut down a titan on Charge.

Would really have preferred it being a unit of one, one the upside apparently it comes with a thick card terminal, hoping that becomes a trend.




Reading the open engine war cards, vox screech (battlefield effects) they mention psi-titans and corrupted titans are unaffected by this rule. So hopefully we'll see some more teased on that front. The titanicus video game has a cool corrupted warlord with a tail and they're apparently attempting to release the single player campaign by xmas.

I wonder what they will release in 2021, when the Arminger is the last missed Knight.

No idea, but maybe...

1) Alternative starter set for Knight Household games.
2) Smallest titan yet for skirmishing.
3) Chaos hound & reaver plastic/resin kits from forgeworld.
4) The Warbringer variant and upgrade sprue.
5) Asterius and a revised terminal.
6) A small battle titan than can use both hound and reaver weapons.
7) Or....no new titans at all but brand new plastic weapon sprues for existing titans with accompanying cards.
8) Expansion book for Corrupted chaos titans and renegades.
9) Expansion that includes the first solo-coop campaign.
10) New scenery.
11) Resin beasts for beast hunts.

...yet we just don't know and its GW turn to bat...

all of those things would be great. I just worry that since they're given less priority by the mainline production, it'll take 10yrs at the current rate before they'd get to most of them.

Once battlefleet gothic started it will be even slower for both AT and AI, as BFG is an even bigger game with even more kit than AT and AI.

Game is pretty much "completed" atm with expansion just adding more flavors. No new game mechanic introduced.

They've set a solid foundation for the game, despite a balance wobble or two.

I think 2021 will see one new Titan class, maybe 2 if we're very lucky (Rapier and a medium/heavy), and the start of corrupted Titans.

SamusDrake wrote:
No idea, but maybe...

1) Alternative starter set for Knight Household games.
2) Smallest titan yet for skirmishing.
3) Chaos hound & reaver plastic/resin kits from forgeworld.
4) The Warbringer variant and upgrade sprue.
5) Asterius and a revised terminal.
6) A small battle titan than can use both hound and reaver weapons.
7) Or....no new titans at all but brand new plastic weapon sprues for existing titans with accompanying cards.
8) Expansion book for Corrupted chaos titans and renegades.
9) Expansion that includes the first solo-coop campaign.
10) New scenery.
11) Resin beasts for beast hunts.

...yet we just don't know and its GW turn to bat...

More plastic Titans and corrupted Titans are definitely coming unless the whole game gets cancelled. They've talked about 'tweener Titans in the pipeline, and at this point we've only seen one. Regarding corrupted Titans, my chips are on a Banelord as a counterpoint to the Warlord Psi-Titan.

IIRC, they said BFG will take a while. And with COVID wrecking release schedules, I wouldn't expect it anytime soon.

My guess for the next Titan releases would be the Rapier Scout Titan and the Apocalypse Titan.

Who knows though...

They've definitely been mentioning the Rapier here and there. I feel like it's probably next, but that might just be me wishlisting. I'd really like a new Titan option for my Ember Wolves.

It's funny...they mentioned a Kado book at the same time they were talking up S&I. And yet we've had two books since and no Kado. The old fluff suggests it may unveil some corrupted Titans and Knights, so maybe it was pushed back because the minis aren't ready/up yet in the production queue.

The alliegence rules in Defence of Ryza makes reference to Corrupted and Renegade titans - you may or may not take them depending on your alliegence. Definitely in the works somewhere...

Just out of curiosity, in 40K do the Chaos hound and reaver differ - rules wise - from their imperial counter parts? If so, could that be a clue as to what we can expect going forward?

I think instead of new titan classes I'd rather see variants like lucius pattern version of the current mars titans. The classes are all pretty well spaced out in terms of scale/armour. The varients could just offer different stats at that scale, like a lucius warhound could be slightly slower but have better armour, same exact weapon options and so on.

I think regardless of a corrupted titan kit being plastic or resin, they really should consider simply a chaos plastic sprue or sprues to truly render one's legion traitor/chaos af. Late stage, like corpses hanging on chains level chaos should you wish.

Corrupted is tough if it's resin because they'll likely have to gear it towards one of the chaos gods so it's likely to look khorne or nurgle af. Again a plastic kit with a lot of bits would be preferable if one wishes to take a more individed approach or just to have variance out there.

Currently the 40k titans do not really differ from one another between loyalist and traitors, so no much clues there SamusDrake.

Awwww fiddlesticks. Thought I was on to something there...

I really really hope we start to see proper corrupted Chaos Titans at some point. To me it would be a sign of long term viability in AT as well as a show of the designers being willing to branch out from purely Imperial designs. I think whilst its basically civil war titans its missing a certain something to the game.

SamusDrake wrote:
Awwww fiddlesticks. Thought I was on to something there...

I'm hoping you're right and they fix the porphyrion's terminal if/when the asterius comes out.

 Crablezworth wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Awwww fiddlesticks. Thought I was on to something there...

I'm hoping you're right and they fix the porphyrion's terminal if/when the asterius comes out.

Amen! Minus the stupid auxilary banner rule, of course...

They'd need to lose blast or something for that tho

 Crablezworth wrote:
They'd need to lose blast or something for that tho

That rule is only there because of the redundant "you can only take one banner for your army" house rule, which should have been "both sides must take equal amounts of Acastus.". With the points increase and banner reduction it serves no purpose.

What I do agree with though, is a revision of its weapons. I wouldn't remove the blast trait( its supposed to be long-range artilary and the only option for an all-knight force ) but the strength on the cannons need to be reduced and most certainly the missile rack should not be as devasting as a reaver's carapace missile launcher. Consider that the Acastus lacks a titan's plasma generator and is smaller, its output shouldn't be as powerful as a titan's. Enough to be a serious threat to a Warhound and maybe give a battle titan a bloody nose, but nothing more. With such changes I'd drop the base cost of the Acastus by about 15-20 points.

Acactus weapon don't have a big enough blast in normal 30k/40k to be considered a blast weapon in this game. The Strength value of main cannon is correct in relation to similar weapon.

Weapon made with rule writer's own fatansy lead to broken and messy rule. stick to the one already established, tried and true in other publications and convert them back into this game should always be the case.

At the end of the day its up to GW to fix those rules and we'll just wait until then. In the meantime I'm just not going to buy anymore of those kits and instead looking forward to a new titan.

Gotta keep positive, right?

With the atrapos getting card terminal do we think there will be a chance fw switches the psi titan's terminal to card?

Thought they were going with the new slim card going forward?

 Crablezworth wrote:
With the atrapos getting card terminal do we think there will be a chance fw switches the psi titan's terminal to card?

All I know is I got a nemesis warbringer in today and now I’m a bit irked that it came with a paper thin terminal with no punched holes.