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The 4chan """leak""" is contradicted by the BaC one, so we'll know soon enough if it's rubbish.

Considering Titanicus hasn't even had Corrupted Titans yet, which they can easily milk for quite a few release cycles, I doubt it'd be ending anytime soon even if they planned to wind down.

Well, they could just pull the plug if the game has been some financial disaster like the 4chan rumors claim. But anyone engaged with the game knows that’s pretty darn unlikely.

So yeah, it seems unlikely that they’re super-eager to end it ASAP. They’ve talked publicly about the tweener Titans and how many chassis they had in development. The Rapier in particular almost has to happen giving how they’re seeding their books with references. We’re almost certainly getting Corrupted Titans and Knights from the rules groundwork already laid.

And if you look at the rate of AT releases, that amount of stuff suggests at least two years, if not more.

Lets face it we don't get many leaks these days; yet the whole leak culture has persisted and a lot of people abuse it. Asides what starts out as a few friends chatting turns into a rumour into a leak into something SpikyBitz "Reports" on etc...

 Overread wrote:
Lets face it we don't get many leaks these days; yet the whole leak culture has persisted and a lot of people abuse it. Asides what starts out as a few friends chatting turns into a rumour into a leak into something SpikyBitz "Reports" on etc...

The community has a whole seems a lot more accepting of supposed leaks than they used to be. It feels like ever since that one Grimdark Live leak about Dominion was largely true every 4chan anon and Reddit """BIG INTERNAL LEAK!!!" gets tossed around as a genuine rumour when not long ago they'd have been laughed off and rightfully so.

Ironically I saw more scepticism and dismissal of the BaC leaks than anything else recently just because it mentioned Squats, despite the person's proven record.

The 4chan leak also claims there’ll be price reductions in Aus, NZ and Japan. I’m surprised it’s being taken at all seriously.

If Blood Bowl is still a thing, then Titanicus will remain a thing. I know BB has a lot of die-hard fans, but there are whole portions of America where the game just isn't touched. On top of that, GW has broken records for profits hand over fist, even during a pandemic. They can afford to put a bit more effort into their side games to give them a chance to find their market and grow. A big part of that is training their store staff to sell things other than 40k.

From some managers I've talked to, it's actually a bit of a problem, where store managers will only sell 40k because it's the only thing they know and they know it sells, so they don't even bother learning other game systems other than the talking points that are hammered into their head during sales training sessions.

The resin stuff for this game sold out constantly and somehow it's financial disaster? come on now this is rubbish.

Chopstick wrote:
The resin stuff for this game sold out constantly and somehow it's financial disaster? come on now this is rubbish.

Model wise, I doubt they've had no problems but the game itself is demanding in special dice and card terminals. I reckon that Adeptus Titanicus will at least be given a major overhaul to reduce the "bits" required.

 schoon wrote:
From a purely financial standpoint, I don't see GW "closing" the AT book while its still selling well.

I could see them doing a second edition though.

Epic armageddon exceeded expectations by 400%. Didn't save it.

Chopstick wrote:
The resin stuff for this game sold out constantly and somehow it's financial disaster? come on now this is rubbish.

Depends how many they make at a time. If they only make a handful, then they sell out of that handful, it's not exactly impressive.

In the end we have no idea.

Games might be cancelled because of insufficient profits; because of politics; because of key staff not being available*; insufficient production slots;

And a myriad of other things. Most things GW makes sell and likely sell at profit; however how much profit when measured against other aspects is important. It might be AT generates healthy profit, but that GW could invest that money into something else and generate more profit easily.
Or perhaps its lost some key staff and rebuilding it as a team would cost etc....



*they might be on other projects; might leave the company; they might be on medical leave etc....

tneva82 wrote:

 schoon wrote:
From a purely financial standpoint, I don't see GW "closing" the AT book while its still selling well.

I could see them doing a second edition though.

Epic armageddon exceeded expectations by 400%. Didn't save it.

Epic: Armageddon had a tiny fraction of the support that AT has received. The two projects are not in any way comparable other than miniature scale.

Not sure what you mean by that. Epic had at least 7 fully formed army ranges from light infantry all the way up to Titans and similar superheavies.

My memory may be 100% wrong. But I thought that E:A was primarily a rules reboot in the form of a PDF...that the miniatures were mostly/all "leftovers" from Epic 40K. I don't remember continuing support in the form of campaign books, new plastic miniatures support, or the kind of mainstream marketing push that Blood Bowl, Necromunda, AT, etc. get today.

But...I could definitely be in error.

 Overread wrote:
In the end we have no idea.

Games might be cancelled because of insufficient profits; because of politics; because of key staff not being available*; insufficient production slots;

And a myriad of other things. Most things GW makes sell and likely sell at profit; however how much profit when measured against other aspects is important. It might be AT generates healthy profit, but that GW could invest that money into something else and generate more profit easily.
Or perhaps its lost some key staff and rebuilding it as a team would cost etc....

*they might be on other projects; might leave the company; they might be on medical leave etc....

Or it's just finished, and they don't want to add anything to it. Or that adding to it would take it further and further away from what it was when it began, and they would rather avoid such concept-drift.

That can happen.

As someone who was there in the commercial game industry at the time, Epic collapsed under a large number of Stock Units, where the sales per unit were relatively low.

GW "fixed" that with the current offering with one small set of minis for all sides and keeping inventory of products low.

For the old game, the warning signs were there that sales vs. inventory and retail space were a problem. For the new one, not so much (at this time anyway).

While it's true that GW can be capricious in deciding what stays or goes, I have not seen anything that signals the end of this game line.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm fine with AT ending. It's a complete game.

There seems to be a lot of obvious things to add from fortifications to chaos titans and that's without crossing the line into Xenos or tanks and infantry. Even adding Leviathans and the like would keep this the same game more or less.

So I don't see it ending soon.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 schoon wrote:
From a purely financial standpoint, I don't see GW "closing" the AT book while its still selling well.

I could see them doing a second edition though.

That’s when I can see Epic coming in.

Simplify the rules for the Titans and limit their number in a given force. Launch with an army frame (Marines, Rhinos, Land Raiders etc)

This is the only format I can imagine Epic happening in - very limited scope, perhaps just focussed on marines fighting marines (going back to the first edition Space Marine/Horus Heresy roots).

I don't think the more 'generic' Epic is possible simply because of the amount of SKU lines it would entail, production capacity, all the sculpting etc. it would be a tall order for a 'specialist game' or one-and-done release.

But the cynic in me says they won't release things like Land Raider tank companies for £35 for a box say, when people are already paying double that for 28mm scale and then buying 8 of them! Despite how much better game mechanics and the look of the game itself work for Super Heavies/tank companies and the like at that scale.

I also don't want them to feth up the rules and ruin the existing community

 gorgon wrote:
My memory may be 100% wrong. But I thought that E:A was primarily a rules reboot in the form of a PDF...that the miniatures were mostly/all "leftovers" from Epic 40K. I don't remember continuing support in the form of campaign books, new plastic miniatures support, or the kind of mainstream marketing push that Blood Bowl, Necromunda, AT, etc. get today.

But...I could definitely be in error.

You most def are wrong as orks, marines, eldar and ig got new models as well. Chaos was coming next until it got axed.


(epic a was time when marines got for example modern looking rhino's, land raiders and variants. Orks got for example lander and mega stompa, eldar new smallest titan variant,flyer and super heavies etc)

tneva82 wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
My memory may be 100% wrong. But I thought that E:A was primarily a rules reboot in the form of a PDF...that the miniatures were mostly/all "leftovers" from Epic 40K. I don't remember continuing support in the form of campaign books, new plastic miniatures support, or the kind of mainstream marketing push that Blood Bowl, Necromunda, AT, etc. get today.

But...I could definitely be in error.

You most def are wrong as orks, marines, eldar and ig got new models as well. Chaos was coming next until it got axed.


(epic a was time when marines got for example modern looking rhino's, land raiders and variants. Orks got for example lander and mega stompa, eldar new smallest titan variant,flyer and super heavies etc)

I seem to remember everything being sold through FW. Did they get released anywhere else?

It was actually GW main, all metal stuff outside the flyers, which were appropriated from Aeronautica, iirc.

Resin in fw, plastic and metal(like rhino's, land raiders etc. Most of new stuff was metal) in gw store.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
It was actually GW main, all metal stuff outside the flyers, which were appropriated from Aeronautica, iirc.

Ah, I remember now. It was actually Specialist Games. Those were mail order only, we weren't allowed to have them in the store (I was a red shirt at the time). That's why I misremembered it being FW.


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tneva82 wrote:
Resin in fw, plastic and metal(like rhino's, land raiders etc. Most of new stuff was metal) in gw store.

I think that was not the case outside UK stores. At least over here in Spain.

But at the time it was true of all of Epic, of course. E:A was never sold in stores over here, it was only ordered.

 Pacific wrote:


I don't think the more 'generic' Epic is possible simply because of the amount of SKU lines it would entail, production capacity, all the sculpting etc. it would be a tall order for a 'specialist game' or one-and-done release.

Epic is one of those games that are uniquely suited to an company-in-a-box approach.

I'd wager you could service most factions with an infantry company, armoured company and an aircraft detachment.

Would it force people to buy more stuff to min-max their armies? Yeah. Ask GW if that's a problem they don't want to deal with.

tneva82 wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
My memory may be 100% wrong. But I thought that E:A was primarily a rules reboot in the form of a PDF...that the miniatures were mostly/all "leftovers" from Epic 40K. I don't remember continuing support in the form of campaign books, new plastic miniatures support, or the kind of mainstream marketing push that Blood Bowl, Necromunda, AT, etc. get today.

But...I could definitely be in error.

You most def are wrong as orks, marines, eldar and ig got new models as well. Chaos was coming next until it got axed.


(epic a was time when marines got for example modern looking rhino's, land raiders and variants. Orks got for example lander and mega stompa, eldar new smallest titan variant,flyer and super heavies etc)

I think you're confusing Epic 40k (circa 1996 or 7) which had a starter box and models in stores, and Epic Armageddon (circa 2001?) which was Specialist Games and had some metal models but mostly resold Epic 40k models.

There was an okay amount of new stuff, including all the modern vehicle resculpts, as tneva said. Price point was fairly high for the time, tho, like 12 quid for 3-4 tanks.

Even got a supplement book, Swordwind.

No i'm not. I got into epic with epic a. I was playing it during playtesting already. One of my questions is in faq in rulebook. Epic 40k rhinoswere old rhino style in plastlc. Epic armageddon ones werb currnt mars pattern in metal.

Revenant titans in Epic 40k were lot less sleek than epic a ones. No supa-stompa existed in epic 40k. And landa was epic a invention.

Did epic a use lots of old models? Yes. But it also got brand new models. Attached old one and ones that arrived with swordwind supplement.

My memory of it was that some new miniatures got sculpted for E:A - remember them being in WD at the time. They had some quite cool elements with the metal modular tanks that let you mix and match different chassic and turret combinations.

Army-range wise though it was quite limited as you had those races that were directly involved in Armageddon initially, plus then the Eldar when the Swordwind expansion came along.

I would also say though it was probably the 'smallest' Epic version release in terms of amount of new miniatures, coverage, and accessibility to miniatures. I still remember the heady days when about 1/3 of a GW store wall was covered with Epic miniatures after the 2nd Edition Space Marine box came out!

Yea the # of kits wasn't as big as say 40k. Sg studlo had limited resources and had multiple games to suppoit. They also released brand new models for bfg, bb, inquisitor, necromunda etc.

The one warzone at time was solution to that. Rather than thin even further focus on couple factions at time. First marines, orks and ig, then at swordwind eldar, feral orks and ig siege regiments all which got new models with them. Next one would have been chaos one but alas it never got past playtest stage

Epic: A had a ton of new releases. The only largely re-used range were the Imperial Guard (Orks to a lesser extent) who were the 3rd edition pieces, glued together and recast (they even glued the tracks backwards on the Hydra). The Guard range was poor in terms of quality. Marines, Eldar and Orks had largely new miniatures with Baran Siegemasters and Feral Orks being a lot of new sculpts.

They had Chaos, Blood Angel and Black Templar ranges sculpted ready to go before the plug was pulled due to not Specialist Games not making as much money that they could if they instead invested in all effort into 40k.