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 Overread wrote:


Well the entire model line is forgeworld designed anyway for AT. Small things like this work better in resin - it holds more detail than plastic, though yes it won't be cheap to buy into.


That said I'm hopeful that its one more step toward GW running out of Imperial only designs and taking a titantic step toward Chaos Warped designs and Xenos.

Nothing against the odd resin releases - certainly no problem with the Moirax being resin as consistant with the mechanicum releases thus far - but we're now at the point where every Knight release is in resin. Given the familiarity with 40K players, could they not have at least left the warglaives/Helverins as a plastic kit? Especially when the competition has been treated to two Warmaster plastic kits?

Take the Asterius for example; It costs as much as a pair of Warhounds. Its simply not worth buying.

Well the game is about titans. No surprise limited plastic releases are focused on main focus.

OMG.... they... they are so....

CUTEEEEEEEEEEEEE


I don't even run knights in my list and I want to protect these little smooshy balls of firepower


edit: GW - please... PLEASE.... just release EPIC already. It can be EPIC horus heresy I do not care. You got the planes, the knights, the titans - and I am 100000000% certain that the same program you use to scale down the models can be used to scale down the tanks and infantry.

fidel wrote:
and I am 100000000% certain that the same program you use to scale down the models can be used to scale down the tanks and infantry.

Well duh. Doing design by almost scratch gets all down in scale

There's no magic button that downscales. When they did warlord titan for AT it was practically designed from scratch to ensure details work in different scale. No press button and it's scaled down to 6mm.

fidel wrote:
OMG.... they... they are so....

CUTEEEEEEEEEEEEE


I don't even run knights in my list and I want to protect these little smooshy balls of firepower


edit: GW - please... PLEASE.... just release EPIC already. It can be EPIC horus heresy I do not care. You got the planes, the knights, the titans - and I am 100000000% certain that the same program you use to scale down the models can be used to scale down the tanks and infantry.

Good luck protecting them against anything with a real gun, maybe we finally have a Knight that is actually light enough to be properly hurt by the small arms that GW marketing tries to claim works against the buggers

They also don't really scale things down as much as they redesign them from reference. Lots of work at their current quality of product.

tneva82 wrote:
Well the game is about titans. No surprise limited plastic releases are focused on main focus.

We say its a game about titans but that sounds like we're on James Hewits side of things, who was designing a game for GW - not the other way around. In hindsight, James probably had the right idea with Knights added a lot later, but instead GW pushed this new editon as a game of Titans and Knights from the very beginning. James mentioned that he would've had them release the Reaver and Hounds first, leading up to the Warlord, but GW went with the Warlord and Knights instead. Apparently Knights were going to be introduced later...

The proof is in the pudding; the Titans are largely well done, written & supported( to critical acclaim ), while Knights come across as an afterthought and are a friggin mess. I did build a small knight force but wrapped it up as best I could and moved on to a new legio instead.

SamusDrake wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Well the game is about titans. No surprise limited plastic releases are focused on main focus.

We say its a game about titans but that sounds like we're on James Hewits side of things, who was designing a game for GW - not the other way around. In hindsight, James probably had the right idea with Knights added a lot later, but instead GW pushed this new editon as a game of Titans and Knights from the very beginning. James mentioned that he would've had them release the Reaver and Hounds first, leading up to the Warlord, but GW went with the Warlord and Knights instead. Apparently Knights were going to be introduced later...

The proof is in the pudding; the Titans are largely well done, written & supported( to critical acclaim ), while Knights come across as an afterthought and are a friggin mess. I did build a small knight force but wrapped it up as best I could and moved on to a new legio instead.

Yeah I feel like these may be better used as titan hunter infantry than in their current form but I'll wait to see the full terminal. 100% agree that titans feel well conceived but the knights feel like they are total afterthought.

Well I hope GW and SG obsession with BIG is over and we can have a more frequent and affordable release. 1 Knight, 2 small Titan upgrade, and 1 new titan a year seem perfect. But people just want BIG, I guess. But with these knights being resin, I reckon they're making more BIG, which is another pass for me.

Chopstick wrote:
Well I hope GW and SG obsession with BIG is over and we can have a more frequent and affordable release. 1 Knight, 2 small Titan upgrade, and 1 new titan a year seem perfect. But people just want BIG, I guess. But with these knights being resin, I reckon they're making more BIG, which is another pass for me.

Agreed, the problem is GW seems really bad with weapon releases, we've had few, they've been mostly resin outside of the reaver/warlord sprues and the choom guns were bad with the exception of maybe the warlord one. Also the trend with the iconoclast is to now write terrible fluff on why a titan chasis should be specialized and have fewer options accordingly, which is weird. Hoping that doesn't continue with new titan releases. Watch the "carnivore" class titan just be a third reaver box that can't swap weapons with the others... le sigh

 Crablezworth wrote:

Yeah I feel like these may be better used as titan hunter infantry than in their current form but I'll wait to see the full terminal. 100% agree that titans feel well conceived but the knights feel like they are total afterthought.

Well, between this and the Iconoclast fiasco I think I've found the song that sums up Titanicus of late...





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Chopstick wrote:
Well I hope GW and SG obsession with BIG is over and we can have a more frequent and affordable release. 1 Knight, 2 small Titan upgrade, and 1 new titan a year seem perfect. But people just want BIG, I guess. But with these knights being resin, I reckon they're making more BIG, which is another pass for me.

Exalted.

That said, while I was disappointed that the Warmaster wasn't the titan for me, I was glad for those who had been after something larger than the Warlord. It fills as many points and works out cheaper than two Warlord kits. For large point games its easier to paint one titan than two.

But yes, going forward we need something around the size of a hound or reaver.

Nice Knights, Tanks and Infantry next please.

Sweet. Next step is the Castellan and Valiant knights, I guess.

Nevertheless, with these I'll have enough to play 40k / Apocalypse "Knight Battle" with 6/8mm scale miniatures. Just divide all the ranges by 2 and it's perfect. Takes much less space too !

Sucks it's FW resin kit, though.

Sarouan wrote:
Sweet. Next step is the Castellan and Valiant knights, I guess.

Nevertheless, with these I'll have enough to play 40k / Apocalypse "Knight Battle" with 6/8mm scale miniatures. Just divide all the ranges by 2 and it's perfect. Takes much less space too !

Sucks it's FW resin kit, though.

Had that idea with Knights vs Knights battles, and using cm instead of inches for "Travel 40K".

Well the good thing about the armigers is they make great titan hunter infantry. These are on 32mm's.

I put mine on 25mms, so I'd agree they'd fit as that.

SamusDrake wrote:

Had that idea with Knights vs Knights battles, and using cm instead of inches for "Travel 40K".

Pretty much the same !

 Crablezworth wrote:
Well the good thing about the armigers is they make great titan hunter infantry. These are on 32mm's.

Or great units to secure objectives. With their (relative) small size, they can also certainly hide much more easily behind terrain in comparison to Knights.

I'll be honest, I believe they're more appealing for collection or using other systems than AT. I mean, AT is all about battles between huge titans. Too many Knight-size units kinda "steal" the focus on the true stars of the show, IMHO.

Sarouan wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:

Had that idea with Knights vs Knights battles, and using cm instead of inches for "Travel 40K".

Pretty much the same !

 Crablezworth wrote:
Well the good thing about the armigers is they make great titan hunter infantry. These are on 32mm's.

Or great units to secure objectives. With their (relative) small size, they can also certainly hide much more easily behind terrain in comparison to Knights.

I'll be honest, I believe they're more appealing for collection or using other systems than AT. I mean, AT is all about battles between huge titans. Too many Knight-size units kinda "steal" the focus on the true stars of the show, IMHO.

Agreed, the game is best when it focusses on its strength which is titan on titan combat. Also agreed their small size might actually make them worth it if the banners aren't too big.

It's always nice to have stuff that really makes the titans feel big, that's what I liked about the original 6 battlefield assets in the starter. But ya, focus should be on the titans. Even the titan hunter infantry can get a bit silly because of their activations in the combat phase.

Sarouan wrote:

Pretty much the same !

Indeed, not far off at all. Great minds think alike and all that jazz...

Chikout wrote:
Teeny tiny Knights. They are resin.

Resin. Shame, I would have bought some had they been plastic.

I thought the goal was to phase out all Resin, yet they keep making new stuff in it.

 Togusa wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Teeny tiny Knights. They are resin.

Resin. Shame, I would have bought some had they been plastic.

I thought the goal was to phase out all Resin, yet they keep making new stuff in it.

Its a Forgeworld release, which is a company that deals only in resin kits, unless they reuse GW plastic sprues.

But Games Workshop itself is trying to phase out their resin products.

Warmaster + option is 10 times the size of a Knight or smaller titan sprue, or an average SG quarterly release, pretty much ate all the plastic production time slot and fund for this game for the year.

Eventually they'll get that second factory open and increase supply.

Aww! The tiny knights are adorable.

 Togusa wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Teeny tiny Knights. They are resin.

Resin. Shame, I would have bought some had they been plastic.

I thought the goal was to phase out all Resin, yet they keep making new stuff in it.

You’re thinking of Finecast.

I have to say that I find the little Armigers and Moirax to be key charming models.

The game already has a wealth of glass cannons, so I'm not yet sure what they add to the game, but they look fun to paint (or use their twisted wreckage to adorn a proper Titan base)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Aww! The tiny knights are adorable.

They are aren't they?

Not looking forwards to the pricing, though, even if it is for a pack of 3.

Watch a 3 pack of them be more expensive than the 3 pack of regular Knights

Well at least you got 2 melta Armiger per 3 instead of 1 melta questoris per 3.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Watch a 3 pack of them be more expensive than the 3 pack of regular Knights

Being Forgeworld they'll probably be £25 for three, so one might as well get a pack of Questoris.

SamusDrake wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Watch a 3 pack of them be more expensive than the 3 pack of regular Knights

Being Forgeworld they'll probably be £25 for three, so one might as well get a pack of Questoris.

As long as the banner can run at 3, I guess it's not the end of the world.

I'm just hoping the weapons aren't fixed an you can do like dual claw or dual melta lance. If it's stuck at melta/claw, I hope the claw is still decent.

Very skeptical that the dual autocannons will be any good. We always welcome being pleasantly surprised though, but I doubt sitting and shooting at range is a good idea with these, especially in sight of titans.






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Chopstick wrote:
Well at least you got 2 melta Armiger per 3 instead of 1 melta questoris per 3.

I guess the concern is if it's 3 minimum and the autocannons aren't great you'd have to get two sets. Really hoping it's not like 6 minimum to a banner.