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 judgedoug wrote:
Hmm, Shadow War Armageddon at $130 (CA$160) is a little steep. I was kind of hoping for sub $100.

it's 180 cad

 Starfarer wrote:
We also know that they have been working on new Necromunda concept stuff since at least a year ago. Seems doubtful they would have the art director working on new concepts for a 20 year old game unless they were planning on a rerelease. This terrain just allows them to have a variety of stuff already on the market for a game that require mass amounts of terrain. It also gets more 40k player familiar with the system with stuff they already own in this release.

Again, this worries me about GW. If they think a new version of Necromunda will have longer legs than SWA (proper 40K Kill teams), I'm pretty sure they are just firing shotguns. SWA is the game I've been waiting 25 years for. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone...even if you haven't been waiting that long. Bought and sold two editions of Necromunda. Sold off my gangers. Never wanted to play IG without Flak.

The more I look at it, the more it seems that someone in the studio did all the hard work (for their own amusement) and then a manager decided to clean it up for a release.

Then again maybe nostalgia is much more profitable than I wish to believe.

 Starfarer wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
The base box is blatantly a way to shift scenery and, given it's been released alongside separate £30-a-plastic-Pringles-tube's-worth kits, it doesn't surprise me that they'd hit and quit on the Shadow Wars box.

Maybe, but why bother with a standalone game and 120 page rulebook with support for a ton of factions if it's just to move the terrain? They could have included the Kill Team rules and saved a ton of time and money.

Because they already sold us Kill Team. And the rules didn't exactly take a lot of work - mostly done 20 years ago. ;-) And hey, if you want to play 40K after playing this? Guess you'll have to buy more rules. As others have speculated, it could be a holdover to allow 40K releases without treading on 8th's toes and/or invalidating things quickly.

Shilling terrain and tickling nostalgia bones seem to be the driving forces for this release. Actual effort would have included new miniatures. It's clearly not about the minis when they've bundled the old, old minis with the new, new terrain.

 Starfarer wrote:
And frankly, if the game sells well they will support it despite if it isn't currently the plan. GW has shown with games like Bloodbowl they will crank out new content if the demand is there.

Mos def.

I think the cynicism is a bit strong here. Occum's Razor suggests that THIS box will be the limited release, as it is deeply discounted versus what these will all cost pieced-together later.

Common sense says the terrain will continue to be sold, and the rule-book will eventually be sold separately. But here, at pretty deep savings a "brand new" player would get dice, acrylic templates, the rules, some models, terrain, etc... for what the terrain alone will cost a couple months from now.

Also, new GW has been anything but daft. I'm hearing vendor level pre-sales are CRAZY high for this, and GW will respond accordingly with support, etc...

I got to read the rule book at my GW store. It's indeed nearly copy and paste from Necromunda, just with different bands and campaign rules.

Well, why not, but it feels weird to use an old rule setting for 40k while the next edition is coming soon.

The main interest is the plastic terrains. It seems you got the three in the big box, so yeah, it's less expensive than to buy the terrains separately.

I'm a bit sad that there are only three factions in the book. Kinda fluffy, since it's war on Armaggedon against the orks and that Astra Militarum and Spaces Marines are the main force, but since we will get PDF for other factions and there are two in the April White Dwarf (Skitarii and Genestealer Cults), that's still good.

Campaign rules are interesting. You don't gain experience, instead one of your guys gain a progression after each mission. You can only upgrade once each of your characteristics, you reroll if you get the same. Wound tables are also much simpler, no more loss in characteristics (it was quite a pain, to be honest) and only using one dice for the rolls.

It's a bit funny to see campaign rules are so simple while the rest of the rules are quite detailed.

Yeah, that doesn't seem to be the hallmark of a game designed to stick around... sadly seems a quick copy/paste from Necromunda. I suppose they could release a campaign book, but I doubt it'll happen. Ah well, should still be fun! Necro rules are a blast and the more playing them the merrier. Will be interesting to see whether they used their rules or borrowed any bits of the tweaked and balanced New Community Edition (my preferred version).

I honestly suspected the campaign rules would take a hit (what with "territories" and such not making a load of sense), but with the rules being 1:1 with Necromunda, converting old, more robust campaign systems in, should be all but instantaneous.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I honestly suspected the campaign rules would take a hit (what with "territories" and such not making a load of sense), but with the rules being 1:1 with Necromunda, converting old, more robust campaign systems in, should be all but instantaneous.

Territory would sort of make sense in such a massive war.

I like how they take a reasonable approach with the background, having only Orks, Imperial Guard and Space Marines on Armageddon in the rules, meanwhile they release rules for loads of other factions for free online. It strikes a good balance between having a reasonable background and giving the player choice.

Here's some pic and of how the new terrain works....

 streetsamurai wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Hmm, Shadow War Armageddon at $130 (CA$160) is a little steep. I was kind of hoping for sub $100.

it's 180 cad

Where'd you see that? The GW retailer/trade newsletter listed it as US130/CAD160. Available to order April 1 with a street date of April 8.

WD says $180Cdn

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
WD says $180Cdn

Weird, there's definitely some confusion within GW then

Could be because WD is done so far in advance, and the $160 is accurate on account the UK is trying to wreck its economy?


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Blades of Khorne stuff has the same price as WD though...

 judgedoug wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
WD says $180Cdn

Weird, there's definitely some confusion within GW then

If that box is $130...fffffffffff.

 Sarouan wrote:
I got to read the rule book at my GW store. It's indeed nearly copy and paste from Necromunda, just with different bands and campaign rules.

Well, why not, but it feels weird to use an old rule setting for 40k while the next edition is coming soon.

The main interest is the plastic terrains. It seems you got the three in the big box, so yeah, it's less expensive than to buy the terrains separately.

I'm a bit sad that there are only three factions in the book. Kinda fluffy, since it's war on Armaggedon against the orks and that Astra Militarum and Spaces Marines are the main force, but since we will get PDF for other factions and there are two in the April White Dwarf (Skitarii and Genestealer Cults), that's still good.

Campaign rules are interesting. You don't gain experience, instead one of your guys gain a progression after each mission. You can only upgrade once each of your characteristics, you reroll if you get the same. Wound tables are also much simpler, no more loss in characteristics (it was quite a pain, to be honest) and only using one dice for the rolls.

It's a bit funny to see campaign rules are so simple while the rest of the rules are quite detailed.

A few questions:

Are regular marines an option for the Marine faction? or are scouts the only option?
Did you remember if different chapters had different rules? or was there no difference between marines?

Milkshaker wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
I got to read the rule book at my GW store. It's indeed nearly copy and paste from Necromunda, just with different bands and campaign rules.

Well, why not, but it feels weird to use an old rule setting for 40k while the next edition is coming soon.

The main interest is the plastic terrains. It seems you got the three in the big box, so yeah, it's less expensive than to buy the terrains separately.

I'm a bit sad that there are only three factions in the book. Kinda fluffy, since it's war on Armaggedon against the orks and that Astra Militarum and Spaces Marines are the main force, but since we will get PDF for other factions and there are two in the April White Dwarf (Skitarii and Genestealer Cults), that's still good.

Campaign rules are interesting. You don't gain experience, instead one of your guys gain a progression after each mission. You can only upgrade once each of your characteristics, you reroll if you get the same. Wound tables are also much simpler, no more loss in characteristics (it was quite a pain, to be honest) and only using one dice for the rolls.

It's a bit funny to see campaign rules are so simple while the rest of the rules are quite detailed.

A few questions:

Are regular marines an option for the Marine faction? or are scouts the only option?
Did you remember if different chapters had different rules? or was there no difference between marines?

Also, if the rules are a copy-paste, how are the bajillion weapons-available-in-40K-but-not-in-Necromunda handled?

I guess anyone who has seen the WD could also answer this.

 Starfarer wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:
Oddly enough....

I've been told by my sales rep that this is "while supplies last" and "a bridge until the next edition comes out". He's hopeful that if GW sees good sales from it, that they will offer more support.

I'm hoping they at least keep the main game in print for a good while, or put all the rules up for download and sell scenery seperately.

We already know the scenery is available separately. It's listed as separate items in this month's White Dwarf with prices. Surely your rep would have filled you in on that if he's giving information on the base game?

I think this game has the potential to really surprise GW. There's been such a void in their line up for this type of game for a long while now, and there's a very active community carrying on the Necromunda rules for 40k units, to which this gives an official stamp. I'm buying 2 boxes at launch, and that's barely going to get me started on the terrain. My only concern is them not doing a pdf for Inquistion forces, as that is at the core of the Inq28 community that's been carrying this torch for nearly a decade now.

LOL, no, the offfical GW sales reps can only talk about what is coming out next week Been that way for years now. I come to Dakka to find out what is coming out. GW tells retailers nothing "We feel its better this way and helps keep you focused on selling what is out this week". The rest of the industry laughs at how GW treats FLGS.

 Altruizine wrote:
Also, if the rules are a copy-paste, how are the bajillion weapons-available-in-40K-but-not-in-Necromunda handled?

I guess anyone who has seen the WD could also answer this.

They made rules for them, simples. Hello, being able to play GS Cult gangs in Necromunda!

It sounds like I am going to home-brew a mutant hybrid of Shadow War and Necromunda Community Edition... making a best-of-both, with the likely more full featured level-up/progression/territory system.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 Altruizine wrote:
Also, if the rules are a copy-paste, how are the bajillion weapons-available-in-40K-but-not-in-Necromunda handled?

I guess anyone who has seen the WD could also answer this.

They made rules for them, simples. Hello, being able to play GS Cult gangs in Necromunda!

Right, this is why Shadow War is win-win. Even if it doesn't get continued support, the community that's been playing all this time anyway, gets rules for most 40k units for including in Necromunda, or just for whatever Inq28/Inquisimunda people come up with. People were homebrewing it anyway, but now we have an official seal for all of it and set points and equipment rules for new wargear items.

So it seems campagin rules are ultra shallow and streamlined :(
That's really dissapointing since it was the best part of Necro

 streetsamurai wrote:
So it seems campagin rules are ultra shallow and streamlined :(
That's really dissapointing since it was the best part of Necro

Examples? Source? What is so shallow about them?

Any news on the "new ork buggies"? And if this is no longer the thread to post about them, should I create one?

read what was written by the posters above, and it should be pretty obvious


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 squall018 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
So it seems campagin rules are ultra shallow and streamlined :(
That's really dissapointing since it was the best part of Necro

Examples? Source? What is so shallow about them?

read what was written by the posters above, and it should be pretty obvious

 squall018 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
So it seems campagin rules are ultra shallow and streamlined :(
That's really dissapointing since it was the best part of Necro

Examples? Source? What is so shallow about them?

Context is an important part of conversations. It helps you understand what a person might be talking about and it also helps people replying to formulate responses that don't make it blatantly obvious that they're not reading the thread.

But to give you the benefit of the doubt, the context of this comment is that streetsamurai is responding to posts further up/on the last page that talk about how advancement is done for 1 character per mission, rather than it being experienced based, and how what can be advanced is rather limited (stat points can go up by 1, for example).

Written much better than I could.

Also, the injuty roll is now reduced to one dice only, and doesn't affect any of the stats (which is the thing that made it so fun and gave character to your gangers)

So, Notcromunda it is.

Why do they always step up to the precipice of greatness only to turn and run screaming, leaving such potential wasted (the two recent Warhammer Quest releases being good examples).

I'm thinking exactly the same thing as you do. It is utterly bizarre

 squall018 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
So it seems campagin rules are ultra shallow and streamlined :(
That's really dissapointing since it was the best part of Necro

Examples? Source? What is so shallow about them?

Higher on this page:

 Sarouan wrote:
I got to read the rule book at my GW store. It's indeed nearly copy and paste from Necromunda, just with different bands and campaign rules.

Well, why not, but it feels weird to use an old rule setting for 40k while the next edition is coming soon.

The main interest is the plastic terrains. It seems you got the three in the big box, so yeah, it's less expensive than to buy the terrains separately.

I'm a bit sad that there are only three factions in the book. Kinda fluffy, since it's war on Armaggedon against the orks and that Astra Militarum and Spaces Marines are the main force, but since we will get PDF for other factions and there are two in the April White Dwarf (Skitarii and Genestealer Cults), that's still good.

Campaign rules are interesting. You don't gain experience, instead one of your guys gain a progression after each mission. You can only upgrade once each of your characteristics, you reroll if you get the same. Wound tables are also much simpler, no more loss in characteristics (it was quite a pain, to be honest) and only using one dice for the rolls.

It's a bit funny to see campaign rules are so simple while the rest of the rules are quite detailed.