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fattdex wrote:

 davou wrote:
so wait, do orks have to roll a 5-6 to hit, and then afterwards if they've rolled a six make an ammo roll?

So half each time they roll a hit they have have to follow it up with at least a five of discontinue use of their gun? 0.o 100% of the time if their target has any cover?

Ammo rolls are on 2d6 now i believe (so 5+ adding the result of 2 die). And as a gorkamorka player, yup, that about sums up trying to play a shooting game with orks.

Still though, wtf.... Half the time an ork player needs to roil just to see if they can keep playing half the game, and the roll required is just under half? not to mention that all the ork weapons have some trait called 'unreliable' which I assume will further hose them.

Any idea if the orks are at least costed to offset that garbage?

Bit early to shriek "garbage" when we haven't seen the entire picture yet.

Guess someone never played a Goliath gang... welcome to the norm! You'll have bonus bodies though and 2D6 ammo rolls, so weight of numbers, as ever, and Orks will be tough. Sounds fine to me.

 BrookM wrote:
Bit early to shriek "garbage" when we haven't seen the entire picture yet.

To be fair, there's precedent for assuming things will be garbage.... Like when GW faq'ed that orks are str 4 when hitting themselves but str3 when hitting enemies. Or that our FNP warlords stacking FNP gear does not stack because 'he's a dumy'

I am a bit confused about the scenery. There are three kits, and the WD says that two of them (Ferratonic Furnace and Alcomite Stack) come with the game. But the big picture of the game's contents definitely show the terrain having bits from Galvanic Magnavent too, but according to the text, that is not included...

They have a sustained fire dice and 5+ on 2 d6 is the same as a 2+ in the old game.

I'm pretty sure they're going to be fine.

So...How may specialists can you take in a force? I'm not seeing that anywhere.

In Necromunda weren't you limited to a certain number of heavies?

 rayphoton wrote:
So...How may specialists can you take in a force? I'm not seeing that anywhere.

In Necromunda weren't you limited to a certain number of heavies?

Rules for Skitarii and GSC in April WD limit specialists to 3. However, that's 3 out of 10 for Skitarii and 3 out of 15 for GSC.

 rayphoton wrote:
So...How may specialists can you take in a force? I'm not seeing that anywhere.

In Necromunda weren't you limited to a certain number of heavies?

It says in the team description, so it is possible it can vary depending on the team Three seems to be common though.

(Tangentially related: someone remind me whether there's any particular benefit in dual wielding pistols in Necromunda?)

 Crimson wrote:
I am a bit confused about the scenery. There are three kits, and the WD says that two of them (Ferratonic Furnace and Alcomite Stack) come with the game. But the big picture of the game's contents definitely show the terrain having bits from Galvanic Magnavent too, but according to the text, that is not included...

That is because separate kits and board game content do not overlap: Galvanic Magnavent contains this thinner chimney thingy from Alcomite Stack. So three separate kits give you more terrain: a big tank with small octagonal platform, a big sphere chimney thingy with those side pipes, walkways/platforms/columns set and TWO small chimney thingies.

I thought I saw someone mention the price is beingf lowered from £90?

 Crimson wrote:

 rayphoton wrote:
So...How may specialists can you take in a force? I'm not seeing that anywhere.

In Necromunda weren't you limited to a certain number of heavies?

It says in the team description, so it is possible it can vary depending on the team Three seems to be common though.

(Tangentially related: someone remind me whether there's any particular benefit in dual wielding pistols in Necromunda?)

An extra attack dice in CC and in Necromunda hits in CC are resolved with alternating weapons, not like in 7th 40K "all with weapon chosen".

nou wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I am a bit confused about the scenery. There are three kits, and the WD says that two of them (Ferratonic Furnace and Alcomite Stack) come with the game. But the big picture of the game's contents definitely show the terrain having bits from Galvanic Magnavent too, but according to the text, that is not included...

That is because separate kits and board game content do not overlap: Galvanic Magnavent contains this thinner chimney thingy from Alcomite Stack. So three separate kits give you more terrain: a big tank with small octagonal platform, a big sphere chimney thingy with those side pipes, walkways/platforms/columns set and TWO small chimney thingies.

So is there some terrain on top of the two kits mentioned in the game box? Because it really doesn't look like the terrain shown can be built from those two kits alone (there's even the skull spider, which was adverised as coming in the Galvanic Magnavent set...)

 Crimson wrote:

nou wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I am a bit confused about the scenery. There are three kits, and the WD says that two of them (Ferratonic Furnace and Alcomite Stack) come with the game. But the big picture of the game's contents definitely show the terrain having bits from Galvanic Magnavent too, but according to the text, that is not included...

That is because separate kits and board game content do not overlap: Galvanic Magnavent contains this thinner chimney thingy from Alcomite Stack. So three separate kits give you more terrain: a big tank with small octagonal platform, a big sphere chimney thingy with those side pipes, walkways/platforms/columns set and TWO small chimney thingies.

So is there some terrain on top of the two kits mentioned in the game box? Because it really doesn't look like the terrain shown can be built from those two kits alone (there's even the skull spider, which was adverised as coming in the Galvanic Magnavent set...)

That is true. Box game is made from two named kits PLUS "extra" walkways and skull. But since those walkways are not full Magnavent kit, GW does not say, e.g. "and half of Magnavent box", but instead they say "and plenty of walkways to connect those two kits".

So there's an error in the WD text. Nothing to be confused about. The pic shows what you get, text is wrong. Simples.

Two boxes should be enough to make a start on a small refinery platform of my own.

nou wrote:

That is true. Box game is made from two named kits PLUS "extra" walkways and skull. But since those walkways are not full Magnavent kit, GW does not say, e.g. "and half of Magnavent box", but instead they say "and plenty of walkways to connect those two kits".

Oh right, it says there are extra walkways.

 Dravis wrote:
That was from the Bolter and chainsword thread, mistaken info I suppose.
Good news about the carapace armour and hellguns though.

That was my bad, I must have misheard while I was flipping through the book that this wasn't a rule but maybe was speculated to become one later? That's what I get for asking questions while reading.

Interesting... we'll see tomorrow (No. America) but the terrain in this box itself is a bargain. Hope it stays at $150. USD

If all goes well it should be €105,- around here instead of €120,-

 Crimson wrote:
(Tangentially related: someone remind me whether there's any particular benefit in dual wielding pistols in Necromunda?)

If you were rich/lucky with rare trades, you could always fire plasma pistols on maximum. Otherwise, the Gunfighter skill was the best reason.

how much in £?

 davou wrote:

fattdex wrote:

 davou wrote:
so wait, do orks have to roll a 5-6 to hit, and then afterwards if they've rolled a six make an ammo roll?

So half each time they roll a hit they have have to follow it up with at least a five of discontinue use of their gun? 0.o 100% of the time if their target has any cover?

Ammo rolls are on 2d6 now i believe (so 5+ adding the result of 2 die). And as a gorkamorka player, yup, that about sums up trying to play a shooting game with orks.

Still though, wtf.... Half the time an ork player needs to roil just to see if they can keep playing half the game, and the roll required is just under half?

"Just under half"? nowhere near. The probability of rolling 5+ on 2 dice is 5/6.


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Oh, and Inquisitor Kallus, I'm told by my local GW manager that it's actually £80.

Alsoooooooo, several of the Ork weapons gain +1 to their to-hit rolls when fired at short range.


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And yes, £80 is the price sent to store owners at the start of this week.

So WD is wrong? Says £90 in there

People wanting rebreathers and goggles... you know that Victoria Miniatures sell each of those separately, right? Or on heads?

http://victoriaminiatures.highwire.com/products?search=goggles

 Crimson wrote:

 rayphoton wrote:
So...How may specialists can you take in a force? I'm not seeing that anywhere.

In Necromunda weren't you limited to a certain number of heavies?

It says in the team description, so it is possible it can vary depending on the team Three seems to be common though.

(Tangentially related: someone remind me whether there's any particular benefit in dual wielding pistols in Necromunda?)

There was a dual wielding shooting skill you could aquire from exp that allowed you to fire twice with two pistols in the shooting phase too.

 davou wrote:
so wait, do orks have to roll a 5-6 to hit, and then afterwards if they've rolled a six make an ammo roll?

So half each time they roll a hit they have have to follow it up with at least a five of discontinue use of their gun? 0.o 100% of the time if their target has any cover?

They're Orks... are you surprised? Mind you, Orks in Shadow War have access to TONS of "sustained fire" even on basic weapons. Essentially they pray 'n spray until they get in close combat. :-p

 Crimson wrote:
I am a bit confused about the scenery. There are three kits, and the WD says that two of them (Ferratonic Furnace and Alcomite Stack) come with the game. But the big picture of the game's contents definitely show the terrain having bits from Galvanic Magnavent too, but according to the text, that is not included...

Yes - on reading the new WD I understand why the Shadow War Armageddon box seems cheap compared to the new Sector Mechanicum scenery - it only contains TWO of the three new pieces.

Hence buying the 3 new scenery pieces costs slightly more than the box.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
So Necron can take Immortals?

What about Deathmarks or Praetorians?

Get this, Deathmarks are the Necron specialists. I don't know about Praetorians. Someone mentioned them as operatives but I wasn't able to look through their whole pamphlet. And yes they can take Immortals.

To answer the other questions, yes AM vets are BS4 and the juves are regular guardsmen. I didn't read up on the Scion who is an operative. He most likely has more equipment than you can commonly put on the kill team.

And juve equivalents can only make up half of your team max.

I don't know about you guys but the AM kill team is close enough to Inquisition to scratch my itch for now.