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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
If they do, and I can't turn the scenery into massive Tesla Coils, is there any point?

I thought these had you covered in that regard?:

Or are you avoiding them?

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 Talizvar wrote:
Or are you avoiding them?

TBH they are awfully expensive.

And I've not got me board up and running yet!

Manchu wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
Or are you avoiding them?

TBH they are awfully expensive.

A perfectly good pun... wasted. Void Shield Generator / avoiding...

I will go back to my regularly scheduled musings.
I plan on putting together some of the SWA terrain tonight and see how it goes, gotta figure out how to anchor it well to hardboard and to get them to line-up with each other.
A square may be in order.

It's nice we're going to get an expanded rulebook and that sisters will be thrown into the mix, but I have to ask...

As quickly as they are making this extracontent available, have they bothered to playtest any of it or is it the usual "eh, looks good enough, call it a day" we generally see from them?

 Stormonu wrote:
It's nice we're going to get an expanded rulebook and that sisters will be thrown into the mix, but I have to ask...
As quickly as they are making this extracontent available, have they bothered to playtest any of it or is it the usual "eh, looks good enough, call it a day" we generally see from them?

They would probably have to reference heavily any 2nd edition publications they have and have to wing-it for what was not around then.
Maybe use the Squat codex for Necrons!

I would bet that the Sisters and Inq lists were prepared at the same time as the ones not included in the box set rulebook and were meant to be printed in the May WD, which I believe they will still be. (It's just that in this case, announcing the existence of the lists beforehand was a good move to emphasize that GW is listening.) So I bet they had the same amount of playtesting as CSM, Wyches, etc. I make no guess as to how much that was, however.

 Talizvar wrote:
Maybe use the Squat codex for Necrons!

Squats never got a Codex proper.

Just "WD Presents", IIRC.

But no "Codex", despite (many, unfulfilled) promises.

Now I'm really looking forward to the end-of-year terrain bundle. Being able to mix in 3 Void generators to this kinda terrain will look ace.

 Stormonu wrote:
I wonder why they didn't think to make a digital app for tracking your roster. That would have been really nice - especially it came with a built-in sound bank ("For the emperor!!" <<DakkaDakka>>. "WAAAAAGH"

Because they would have charged you for extra Kill Teams.

No thanks.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Being able to mix in 3 Void generators to this kinda terrain will look ace.

I'm thinking of getting one as a sort of "centerpiece" - although how anyone's getting up to the platform is an issue.

Maybe GW could do a ladders sprue?

They will probably release the plastic sisters troop box at the same time.

 vim_the_good wrote:
They will probably release the plastic sisters troop box at the same time.

No chance.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
Maybe use the Squat codex for Necrons!

Squats never got a Codex proper.

Just "WD Presents", IIRC.

But no "Codex", despite (many, unfulfilled) promises.

It's not a full codex, but there are enough squat profiles in 2nd edition "Codex Imperialis" (and the necessary accompanying army lists booklet) to work out a squad warband.

Manchu wrote:

 vim_the_good wrote:
They will probably release the plastic sisters troop box at the same time.

No chance.

Maybe they'll troll us, and release a plastic box...with resin Battle Sisters inside.

Been messing around with the terrain kits trying out different combos after getting the box today. I am gonna spend so much money on this stuff

 Talizvar wrote:
They would probably have to reference heavily any 2nd edition publications they have and have to wing-it for what was not around then.
Maybe use the Squat codex for Necrons!

Necrons had rules in 2nd edition. They were pretty nasty, just somewhat limited for options.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Manchu wrote:

 vim_the_good wrote:
They will probably release the plastic sisters troop box at the same time.

No chance.

Maybe they'll troll us, and release a plastic box...with resin Battle Sisters inside.

No one could ever be trolled so hard as Sisters fans already have been with GW releasing plastic Sisters of Silence before Sisters of Battle.

Speaking of which, reckon we will see a Talons of the Emperor list for Shadow War?

1 custode vs 12 orks. I can see that.

Manchu wrote:


Speaking of which, reckon we will see a Talons of the Emperor list for Shadow War?

We already have rules for Grey knights so who knows?

For anyone curious about 2nd ed. materials and what to find where...there is breakdown of every codex is here:

http://projectanvil.blogspot.com/

You can see what's in the black book (the small multi-codex which came in the 2nd edition starter box), and all of the codices, broken down, etc. The black book is included in a downloadable format.

I'm confused.. why does 2nd ed keep coming up? I have loads of it but I don't see how it's applicable (I am sure I missed something)

 MLaw wrote:
I'm confused.. why does 2nd ed keep coming up? I have loads of it but I don't see how it's applicable (I am sure I missed something)

Necromunda is just second edition 40k with a bit more granularity for individual miniature actions, weapon reliability, varied "Down" statuses and a campaign system. Virtually everything in second edition could be added to Necromunda by multiplying it's points value by a set amount (I forget the factor).

Shadow War is a variant/derrivative of Necromunda so presumeably 2nd edition stats would be transferrable to Shadow War with little effort.

I've got every 2nd edition codex so hopefully when I get Shadow War I'll have new uses for them.

 Eilif wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
I'm confused.. why does 2nd ed keep coming up? I have loads of it but I don't see how it's applicable (I am sure I missed something)

Necromunda is just second edition 40k with a bit more granularity for individual miniature actions, weapon reliability, varied "Down" statuses and a campaign system. Virtually everything in second edition could be added to Necromunda by multiplying it's points value by a set amount (I forget the factor).

Shadow War is a variant/derrivative of Necromunda so presumeably 2nd edition stats would be transferrable to Shadow War with little effort.

I've got every 2nd edition codex so hopefully when I get Shadow War I'll have new uses for them.

Neato.. is there a separate topic somewhere? It would be nice to see all of this discussed in a place where it's one stream of thought instead of small pepperings in a GW news story which is like trying to find needles in stacks of needles..

I don't know how much people will get out of the 2nd ed. stuff - since the stats and weapons are actually not the same. They're mostly different (even stats for many of the models).

You could use the rules from SWA and just run everything as 2nd ed. stats, but I don't know how well you can combine the two.

Up till recently most of the basic troop stats were the same from 2nd up till now (characters and monsters were vastly different though). Now, for some reason Marine Scouts move 5" (wtf?) and Eldar Guardians and Scouts have BS/WS4 which is wrong and doesn't work with the fluff at all.

Weapon ranges are different, as well as save modifiers etc. are different on a lot of weapons.

Ok, I know to some this is bad-form, but at 113 pages, sifting through to get a concise answer is all but impossible at this point, so patience please!

Why is this game being regarded as a 'disaster' in some circles? I gather it was sold out almost immediately which is aggravating, but what else is 'wrong' here?

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Ok, I know to some this is bad-form, but at 113 pages, sifting through to get a concise answer is all but impossible at this point, so patience please!

Why is this game being regarded as a 'disaster' in some circles? I gather it was sold out almost immediately which is aggravating, but what else is 'wrong' here?

It was a disaster for all the people who missed out on the limited release of the box set, there was A LOT more demand then stock available, people missed out and were sad

Nothing is wrong game is amazing fun

So full of nostalgia while being new in the tactics used

I have been gathering some suitable odds and ends for a while to start a manufactorum/hive board

Yeah, nothing wrong with the game (well, other that it not going far enough - the campaign aspect of it could have been expanded far more than it is, but that's pretty typical of GW's recent big box release, always walking up to greatness but never stepping over that line).

It was the release that was the disaster.

Any thought on how well Tau functions in this game?