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Three consecutive stretch goals of pack dogs just put the breaks on the kickstarter.

 Generalstoner wrote:
Three consecutive stretch goals of pack dogs just put the breaks on the kickstarter.

I'm sure they'll drown us in add-ons if need be.

I'm still on the fence. It appeals, but so does Zombicide: Green Tide, Fallout: Wasteland Warfare and Bones 4.

SOme nice minis - but will wait for a game with minis based on the show and/or the inevitable expansion with Dany, Dragons and the Unsullied.

Mr Morden wrote:SOme nice minis - but will wait for a game with minis based on the show and/or the inevitable expansion with Dany, Dragons and the Unsullied.

I wonder if a game with actor likenesses is very likely? Can see things suddenly become more expensive if you're getting sculpts of Sean Bean, Jonathan Pryce, Dianna Rigg etc. (although would definitely get one if they did the latter! )

Nostromodamus wrote:

I'm sure they'll drown us in add-ons if need be.

Interestingly, for those that aren't backers the first optional add-ons have appeared in the form of dice sets (Stark and Lanister)

So wouldn't be surprised if we started to see a number more coming through soon once the initial batch of people discovering the KS starts to slow down.

 PurpleEcho wrote:
You have to offer something better to stand out in wargaming as there's a number of companies offering better quality miniatures at a similar price point.

Who?

I await the tide of names anxiously...

~Eric

 Pacific wrote:
I wonder if a game with actor likenesses is very likely? Can see things suddenly become more expensive if you're getting sculpts of Sean Bean, Jonathan Pryce, Dianna Rigg etc. (although would definitely get one if they did the latter! )

Not just expensive, but non-existent. Actor likenesses can require fees on top of the IP. That's why so many Ghostbusters toys, games, and cartoons have characters who do not look like the original actors.

Also, a product based on the television shows vs. the original source material (eg. books) can have entirely different licensing agreements. That's why Mantic could make a miniatures game based on the Walking Dead comic, but not the television show, which Cryptozoic had rights to (?).

Then there's licensing of what *type* of product you can make, based on the IP. Palladium's Robotech license, I think, only allows them to make RPG material (?) so they kept calling what was obviously a miniatures game as a roleplaying product, "Robotech RPG Tactics".

Bolton Bastard's Girls will retail for $35 so it looks that's the retail price for a 12 mini unit hopefully any KS add ons will have a bit of a discount.

Yes that's confirmed in latest update DaveC

A Hound Will Die For You, But Never Lie To You
Valar Dohaeris, bannermen!
Boosted by our recent offer of Custom Dice Optional Buys, we've just hit the $655k mark, unlocking the Packmaster along with 3 Dog miniatures, which are part of the Bolton Bastard's Girls unit!



As a reference, when the Bolton Bastard's Girls is fully unlocked, backers will get a Unit Box of Estimated Retail Price of $35!

We also took a picture of the resins for this unit to show you how awesome it looks on its Infantry Movement Tray!

Resin shot of the unit of Bolton Bastard's Girls in the Infantry Tray
As a reminder, here are the next 2 Stretch Goals that we announced:

Having the archers follow the dogs into melee seems like a weird compromise, surely they'd never do that. It'd probably be more thematic to make the dogs a kind of ranged attack in themselves, like firing missiles - send a load of dogs in, remove the dogs, and do an amount of attacks on the target. Regardless, a new unit, finally!

Reading the background, believe the archers are intended to wound or otherwise incapacitate the enemy. Then the dogs move in to finish them off. So kind of like hunting I guess, but with people(!)

Have no idea how this would work in the context of the game though..

The archers would stay at range and shoot at the enemy to disrupt them, and then send in the dogs. That's the doctrine that's been used down history for dogs. Having bow-equipped men follow the dogs into the melee doesn't make sense

Well, archers in the Wars of the Roses (a big inspiration for the books) were expected to be capable melee combatants as well as being obvious effective at range. This is clearly not quite the same situation -- the unit is based on a group in the books who are hunters, if, if humans, rather than line troops. But, assuming that the archers do at least still get to shoot before releasing the dogs, it does make more sense for them to follow the dogs in than to either (a) just sit around and wait or (b) shoot into melee and risk hitting the dogs. This feels particularly right given their transposition into war -- they might be happy to let the dogs do their work if this is just a "hunt", but against armed and armoured enemies, they need to support the dogs, surely.

 Pacific wrote:
Reading the background, believe the archers are intended to wound or otherwise incapacitate the enemy. Then the dogs move in to finish them off. So kind of like hunting I guess, but with people(!)

Have no idea how this would work in the context of the game though..

Well, check out the rules:



The archers can shoot up to 12" away and hit on a 3+. Any rolls of 1 on Defense Saves gives the unit they're shooting at a Vulnerable token. Then the unit gets a free charge against the target. You can then use the Vulnerable token to force the opponent to reroll any Defense Saves from the dogs' attacks.

Thanks infinite_array I hadn't seen that, does sound like it supports the blurb.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Well, archers in the Wars of the Roses (a big inspiration for the books) were expected to be capable melee combatants as well as being obvious effective at range.

Always quite liked it when you had criticism leveled at GRRM for the books being unnecessarily gruesome in their depiction of warring powerful families, and his answer has always been 'open a history book'. There is that in there, and worse (perhaps just about stopping short of Cercei's actions involving large quantities of explosives!)

But yes there are some interesting (but quite horrible when you think about it, actually) accounts of archers fighting the French men-at-arms at Agincourt, and heading in with chisels/knives and hammers when their plate-armoured opponents were incapacitated..

I do like me some terrain!



Decent price at $17, a citadel wood is €30 OK it's made from HIPS but still it's nearly twice the price and no hedges (and the leaves are forever falling off) . A few of these and Terraincrate will give me a nice battlefield.

Terrain is only available during the KS it won't go to retail.

Meh? I can do the same thing with green felt and a couple tree sets from Michaels.

I guess it's good for all the people who have this as their first miniatures game.

Yes like you say this won't be such a thing for the experienced wargamer who probably has a ton of terrain in their collection already.

But, that's not a bad price for what you get there and could see it looking pretty good if you covered it in lots of grasses and foliage for the trees.

I'd like to know the dimensions on the tree template. It's easy to make stuff on the cheap, but that plastic would be nice for durability.

I like the hedges in the Z: Green Horde ks more but I'm glad to see them including terrain for newbies who may not have any terrain or the desire to DIY some. I'm disappointed that the terrain in the starter is just flat templates instead of 3D card terrain. Even simple card terrain looks better with trees that are actually taller than the models instead of flat green circles.

 Taarnak wrote:

 PurpleEcho wrote:
You have to offer something better to stand out in wargaming as there's a number of companies offering better quality miniatures at a similar price point.

Who?

I await the tide of names anxiously...

~Eric

Warlord Games
Perry Miniatures
Victrix
Fireforge
Gripping Beast

And actually, those are much less expensive than $1.50 per miniature. And that's only in the starter box. That expansion box with 12 miniatures (8 of them dogs, and only 4 unique sculpts) for $35 retail is ridiculous. When you can get more than 40 multi-part plastic miniatures for that price and not have any duplicates. I don't see how this is going to compete with any real miniatures games, except for the strength of the IP.

 LunarSol wrote:
I'd like to know the dimensions on the tree template. It's easy to make stuff on the cheap, but that plastic would be nice for durability.

From CMON -

Rough dimensions for the pieces in the Woodland Terrain Set are:

Trees Set: 24 x 13 cm, 12 cm tall; Imperial: 9.4 x 5 inches, 4.7 inches tall
Hedge: 15 x 6.5 cm, 2.2 cm tall; Imperial: 5.9 x 2.5 inches, 0.8 inch tall

I've upped my pledge for a couple of woods and hedges, where they won't be available outside of the KS. They're going to need some more optional buys, I don't think this is really bringing in huge numbers of people.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Warlord Games
Perry Miniatures
Victrix
Fireforge
Gripping Beast

Of these only Perry and Fireforge have medieval ranges and neither contains any "fantasy" elements. From what I've seen around the 'net most people doing DIY ASoIaF are using Perry.

 Bull0 wrote:
I've upped my pledge for a couple of woods and hedges, where they won't be available outside of the KS.

Well, until Mantic decides to make more terrain. (:

I figure removable trees are useful when the miniatures are in the woods.

@Albino: Thanks.
@Everyone: Keep 'em coming. I'm shopping around for mini's around $.75 each, including shipping (cf. Reaper Bones KS and Mantic armies on eBay w/ flash sale).

 Albino Squirrel wrote:

 Taarnak wrote:

 PurpleEcho wrote:
You have to offer something better to stand out in wargaming as there's a number of companies offering better quality miniatures at a similar price point.

Who?

I await the tide of names anxiously...

~Eric

Warlord Games
Perry Miniatures
Victrix
Fireforge
Gripping Beast

And actually, those are much less expensive than $1.50 per miniature. And that's only in the starter box. That expansion box with 12 miniatures (8 of them dogs, and only 4 unique sculpts) for $35 retail is ridiculous. When you can get more than 40 multi-part plastic miniatures for that price and not have any duplicates. I don't see how this is going to compete with any real miniatures games, except for the strength of the IP.

The only names you have listed that are on par with Blood Rage and Wrath of King's figures are Perry Miniatures and Victrix. And I'd argue that figure to figure even those aren't as good. The rest of what you have listed are adequate at best.

I agree with you that there could be more variety in sculpts for the GoT game, and that the value could be better. I'm betting that both will be addressed in stretch goals though.

~Eric

At first I asked, "Why on Earth would you not have additional troops available as add-ons - just dice and trees?" What if I wanted more basic troops, like Stark Bannermen or Lannister Guards, etc.

But, then it dawned on me... If you want to bolster your force, you are going to have to pay retail on those, boys...

If they let me bid $1 and make the troop units available to purchase before the end of the KS, then I'm in.

Until, then, I'm out.

Anyone know the scale? Is it 28mm?

32mm to eye level. I really think it's likely there will be more optional buys to bulk out the forces.

Never done a kickstarter before, but this tempts me. I don't care for the game itself to be honest, but the models and terrain look nice.

 Bull0 wrote:
I've upped my pledge for a couple of woods and hedges, where they won't be available outside of the KS. They're going to need some more optional buys, I don't think this is really bringing in huge numbers of people.

It's still ticking along quite steadily (moving towards $700k mark at time of writing), but agree it could do with a faction expansion or something like that.

Hopefully it will get beyond $735k soon and then we can move on from the sodding dogs!

Probably be another 6 plastic tokens next