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 Artel_W wrote:

 xXWeaponPrimeXx wrote:
She looks fantastic!

Who is she though?

Well, she`s Distaff

Ah

Gotcha.

Its surreal seeing them given form. Some I can pick out and then some I'm plumbing the depths of my memory to try and place a name.

 Eldarain wrote:
Yes! The only thing my next order was waiting for. Keep em comin.

I hate artel w right now. I waited weeks to do my order for this model, then finally give up and place it. And the next day she comes out. Figures.

 streetsamurai wrote:
In Russia they don't care about IP (rightfully so I must say)

Wrongfully so you mean. Companies pay good money for IP protection, there's a lot of funds channeled through to sustain artists and staff in general. Not to mention taxes. It's not a single company out there paying for these things by the way, even smaller legit companies care and have to protect their IP.

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
In Russia they don't care about IP (rightfully so I must say)

Wrongfully so you mean. Companies pay good money for IP protection, there's a lot of funds channeled through to sustain artists and staff in general. Not to mention taxes. It's not a single company out there paying for these things by the way, even smaller legit companies care and have to protect their IP.

Then perhaps artists shouldn't have allowed corporations to take control of the narrative over IP and use lobbying to vastly expand the concept beyond its original and reasonable intentions to the point that they feel obligated to defend the idea you can own "lady in a high collared dress with an eagle motif" or "big guy in armour with a tech-club" or "bald man in a trenchcoat with a staff". And perhaps also they'd be better served trying to kick off such discussions elsewhere.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
Yes! The only thing my next order was waiting for. Keep em comin.

I hate artel w right now. I waited weeks to do my order for this model, then finally give up and place it. And the next day she comes out. Figures.

Just PM me, and we`ll figure it out easily

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
In Russia they don't care about IP (rightfully so I must say)

Wrongfully so you mean. Companies pay good money for IP protection, there's a lot of funds channeled through to sustain artists and staff in general. Not to mention taxes. It's not a single company out there paying for these things by the way, even smaller legit companies care and have to protect their IP.

Then perhaps artists shouldn't have allowed corporations to take control of the narrative over IP and use lobbying to vastly expand the concept beyond its original and reasonable intentions to the point that they feel obligated to defend the idea you can own "lady in a high collared dress with an eagle motif" or "big guy in armour with a tech-club" or "bald man in a trenchcoat with a staff". And perhaps also they'd be better served trying to kick off such discussions elsewhere.

We can take this in private if you like, otherwise it will derail this thread.

 Artel_W wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
Yes! The only thing my next order was waiting for. Keep em comin.

I hate artel w right now. I waited weeks to do my order for this model, then finally give up and place it. And the next day she comes out. Figures.

Just PM me, and we`ll figure it out easily

PM sent. Very grateful. All is forgiven Stop coming out with awesome models though, my build and paint backlog is already enormous.

Congratulations on the new website AND the new release!

Very nice on both counts.

Just ordered 2 Chasteners from your site.
Keep up the good work!

Ordered a Chastener to help motivate myself to finally properly build and paint my Arbites.

Hope to able to add a squad of ArtelW Enforcers to them in the future.

Beautiful work as ever, Artel. Will be placing an order as soon as I =figure out where best to send it to (I'm moving house in about 15 days!).

JaqTaar wrote:
Ordered a Chastener to help motivate myself to finally properly build and paint my Arbites.

Hope to able to add a squad of ArtelW Enforcers to them in the future.

Just bought the "Loyalty" and "Inquisition Team" Bundles to motivate me to get back into 28mm painting.

I agree, a bunch of ArtelW Enforcers to back them up would be an instant winner for me...

Holidays are over, and we are glad to present new minis! Boneshees, our first squad, available for the preorder from today. They comes in three options - Squad of five Warriors and Leader, Squad of ten Warriors and Leader, and Leader only. Orders will start dispatching from January`s 29th.
https://artelw.com/shop#!/Boneshee`s-Squad-5+Leader-*PREORDER*/p/99026187/category=0
https://artelw.com/shop#!/Boneshee`s-Squad-10+Leader-*PREORDER*/p/99026188/category=0
https://artelw.com/shop#!/Boneshee`s-Squad-Leader-*PREORDER*/p/99026185/category=0









All pictures here:https://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-111093-57779_Boneshees.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-111093-57779_Boneshees.html

Very nice!

I'd love to see you guys make some Scorpions too!

 Alpharius wrote:
Very nice!

I'd love to see you guys make some Scorpions too!

Some day In very Yautja style

I generally dislike resin, but even I'd consider some of the Boneshees depending on price.

They are as mentioned elsewhere simply stunning! I'll be getting a squad just for painting! i'll wait until I get my first order though lol :-)

I have just got your enforcer, what a fantastic figure, please do a squad of these

The_Minsk wrote:
I have just got your enforcer, what a fantastic figure, please do a squad of these

In progress already

Still waiting for my enforcer to ship sad face hopefully it will ship soon

Any news on the angry person bust ?

 inqscott wrote:
Still waiting for my enforcer to ship sad face hopefully it will ship soon

There was some troubles with last batch of Chasteners, but we recieved replacement already, starting packing tomorrow. Sorry :(


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 CURNOW wrote:
Any news on the angry person bust ?

We`re just did test printing of him at holidays, it was good. Just one trouble: printing of prototype with quality we need will be cost about 3500USD to us (without casting itself) , so now we thinking how to do it painless enough

Ouch that's expensive is it to do with scale or the amount of parts ?

 Artel_W wrote:

The_Minsk wrote:
I have just got your enforcer, what a fantastic figure, please do a squad of these

In progress already

I don't suppose you'd be willing to spoil it and tell us a bit about equipment, options and so on?

 Artel_W wrote:
We`re just did test printing of him at holidays, it was good. Just one trouble: printing of prototype with quality we need will be cost about 3500USD to us (without casting itself) , so now we thinking how to do it painless enough

Is that the cost for someone else to do the printing or was that the cost for materials in-house? Quality does cost a bit more but $3500 seems ridiculously high. That would be basically the cost for something using 11,000 Liters of uv curable resin. Let me know if you need a better quote. ^_^

 Dark Severance wrote:

 Artel_W wrote:
We`re just did test printing of him at holidays, it was good. Just one trouble: printing of prototype with quality we need will be cost about 3500USD to us (without casting itself) , so now we thinking how to do it painless enough

Is that the cost for someone else to do the printing or was that the cost for materials in-house? Quality does cost a bit more but $3500 seems ridiculously high. That would be basically the cost for something using 11,000 Liters of uv curable resin. Let me know if you need a better quote. ^_^

We`re using 3D-printers with resolution of 15 microns or better for our prototypes to hit the quality we need and, obviously, we can`t afford such machine for themselves, so we need to pay someone for it. And that`s how much it costs. And remember, that it will be quite massive bust, multipart, with tons of details.

Wow those Bonshees look great! I and a few others I've turned on to your shop have been very pleased with the products.
Just have to say you are doing a great Job over there and Keep it up!

JaqTaar wrote:

 Artel_W wrote:

The_Minsk wrote:
I have just got your enforcer, what a fantastic figure, please do a squad of these

In progress already

I don't suppose you'd be willing to spoil it and tell us a bit about equipment, options and so on?

Something like that

 Artel_W wrote:
We`re using 3D-printers with a resolution of 15 microns or better for our prototypes to hit the quality we need and, obviously, we can`t afford such machine for themselves, so we need to pay someone for it. And that`s how much it costs. And remember, that it will be quite massive bust, multipart, with tons of details.

I would be curious what printers you have done your samples, as well as production, runs with because I am not sure why you think you need 15 microns for the quality and detail. The larger the piece, the actually fewer microns you need. When dealing with SLA/DLP printers microns are a bit different when compared to their FDM/FFF cousins because of how they obtain their layers and due to the z-resolution. To see the difference between a SLA/DLP 40-micron print and a 15-micron print requires a jewelers loupe, it is barely visible to the human eye and in almost all cases gets completely lost in the casting.

That said, there is definitely a big difference between someone doing a print on a $1000 printer vs $3500 but that is due to the software, not the printer and anti-alias. Once you get into $30K-$150K printer range you really don't see an improvement in details. For example, a 25XY/10Z resolution print ($3500 printer) is the same as 50XY/25Z resolution print ($30K printer) and almost identical a 42XY/25Z resolution ($150K). The only way to tell a difference is with a jewelers loupe. The only thing you get for the increased price is larger printer build area with DLP (because higher resolution means smaller build area), better software which gives overall better results and a wider selection of material choices from higher temperature resin, castable resin for investment casting, detailed resin, ABS, nylon, dental, etc. The DLP printers print layer by layer, instead of using a laser like SLA. SLA even with a laser that does 15-micron print, still is using a 70-140 micron circle laser so for quality and detail DLP wins.

Either way, I own as well as have access to multiple printers and ranges from different manufacturers which includes the $1000-$150K range which is how I am able to compare. We also looked at some higher priced printers but after a certain dollar amount, you don't get better detail, you get more features which doesn't translate into better details.

It is possible that something may cost that much but it sounds more like you were over-quoted based on experience. I used to out-source my 3D masters, originally thinking it had to be done on a $250,000 printer until I did about an 8-month research product into the multiple ones both commercial and hobby-based. It would cost me about $250 for a 3d master depending on where I got it and how big (generally 32mm). Once I started doing 20 or so instead of 1 here and there, that process became expensive for using literally only $1-2 of resin. A 1/8th scale resin sculpts uses on average about 750-1000ml of resin which comes to about $150 of cost. When I quote my quotes are transparent, you see exactly what you pay for traditionally it is material cost x3, labor cost x2 and a setup. I don't try to pretend it is a very expensive process but don't get me wrong resin compared to FDM printing is expensive, it is just those costs don't translate across and are really apples and oranges. I also can provide insight different manufacturers for printers to help find ones that suit the needs of the user.

But don't take my word for it, like I said be happy to do some samples for you. You can also wait until I do a series of posts outlining the pros/cons of the various hobbyist to commercial grade SLA/DLP printers, along with pictures of our control print from professional grade $250K printer compared to same model down the various lines. Although honestly, photos do not do them justice.

I don't quite take as good as pictures as these, but this does give a good baseline and these aren't printed at the highest resolution:

 Dark Severance wrote:

 Artel_W wrote:
We`re using 3D-printers with a resolution of 15 microns or better for our prototypes to hit the quality we need and, obviously, we can`t afford such machine for themselves, so we need to pay someone for it. And that`s how much it costs. And remember, that it will be quite massive bust, multipart, with tons of details.

But don't take my word for it, like I said be happy to do some samples for you. You can also wait until I do a series of posts outlining the pros/cons of the various hobbyist to commercial grade SLA/DLP printers, along with pictures of our control print from professional grade $250K printer compared to same model down the various lines. Although honestly, photos do not do them justice.

Well, sir, I think you`llabout to reciving PM from us soon