Warhammer Underworlds - Embergard new edition. p.151

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**JSG**

AegisGrimm wrote:I'm not really sure why Chaos Warriors that are female should have to follow the theory that they would look feminine. Chaos Warriors, both female AND male, are just completely normal humans that have been magically 'roided out to be damn near the size of a Stormcast. Why would any Chaos God worry about keeping any female Champion particularly busty or hippy when giving them a new form built for raw power?

This isn't genetics and scientific processes we are talking about, here. These are platemailed forms enhanced by the same powers that allow a Tzaangor or Dragon's head to split in half and continue to function, without it's brain falling out on the ground. Or to have a Champion have a cavernous belly-mouth where their guts should be. Where do all their guts get moved to??

At least Stormcast have the excuse that they have been remade into more "perfect" statuesque forms of both genders, so female Stormcast are going to look different than the men.

You could say that but it does contradict what female chaos warriors have looked like for decades. I think the first was John Blanches "Chaos Amazon" which was a kind of response to the chainmail bikini trend in fantasy art at the time. Also, at that point it's like why even make a female model? You could point to any chaos figure and say "oh that one's a woman".

Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
JSG wrote:
Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Apologies, i missed you were talking about her sister too. But yeah, she looks like someone who's been screwing with chaos a bit too long. Most sorcerers tend to end up looking less than human. But the second part of your argument, where did that come from? She takes off her helmet, you can tell it's a woman, if she has it on, then you can't. What's your issue?

That the figure in it's totality doesn't look female enough. Obviously you can justify anything in-universe, but then you're starting with the sculpt and working backwards. The question is of the three implied characteristics of "female chaos sorcerer A" why omit the female part? A woman isn't just a lack of male characteristics after all.

So are you looking for the Stormcast equivalent then? Slimmer frame, solid boobplate etc?

Yeah, that would've been perfect imo. Fingers crossed they redo Valkia.

**Danny76**

AegisGrimm wrote:
I'm not really sure why Chaos Warriors that are female should have to follow the theory that they would look feminine. Chaos Warriors, both female AND male, are just completely normal humans that have been magically 'roided out to be damn near the size of a Stormcast. Why would any Chaos God worry about keeping any female Champion particularly busty or hippy when giving them a new form built for raw power?

This isn't genetics and scientific processes we are talking about, here. These are platemailed forms enhanced by the same powers that allow a Tzaangor or Dragon's head to split in half and continue to function, without it's brain falling out on the ground. Or to have a Champion have a cavernous belly-mouth where their guts should be. Where do all their guts get moved to??

At least Stormcast have the excuse that they have been remade into more "perfect" statuesque forms of both genders, so female Stormcast are going to look different than the men.

Just look at many (not necessarily all) female body builders as an example of this.
Generally muscles and such grow and boobs don’t. Once in chaos armour, I just don’t think you’d see either way.
Particularly with the fluf Of chaos warriors even back in the old world and their armour etc.
They could have always been women in there too arguably..

**Sabotage!**

As a huge Chaos Warrior enthusiast, I love the new team.

I don't really see the argument for the women to look "more womanly."

Chaos Warriors are basically roided out to be walking walls of muscle bone. I don't think the darks gods particularly care about the sex/femininity appeal of said warriors. Cover that all up with 2 inch thick Chaos plate, chain, and fur, and I don't think you could tell the difference between any male or female. Heck, a large number of Chaos Warriors are heavily mutated under their armor, some have even grown into their armor and can't remove most of it.

**JSG**

Danny76 wrote:
AegisGrimm wrote:
I'm not really sure why Chaos Warriors that are female should have to follow the theory that they would look feminine. Chaos Warriors, both female AND male, are just completely normal humans that have been magically 'roided out to be damn near the size of a Stormcast. Why would any Chaos God worry about keeping any female Champion particularly busty or hippy when giving them a new form built for raw power?

This isn't genetics and scientific processes we are talking about, here. These are platemailed forms enhanced by the same powers that allow a Tzaangor or Dragon's head to split in half and continue to function, without it's brain falling out on the ground. Or to have a Champion have a cavernous belly-mouth where their guts should be. Where do all their guts get moved to??

At least Stormcast have the excuse that they have been remade into more "perfect" statuesque forms of both genders, so female Stormcast are going to look different than the men.

Just look at many (not necessarily all) female body builders as an example of this.
Generally muscles and such grow and boobs don’t. Once in chaos armour, I just don’t think you’d see either way.
Particularly with the fluf Of chaos warriors even back in the old world and their armour etc.
They could have always been women in there too arguably..

Sabotage! wrote:As a huge Chaos Warrior enthusiast, I love the new team.

I don't really see the argument for the women to look "more womanly."

Chaos Warriors are basically roided out to be walking walls of muscle bone. I don't think the darks gods particularly care about the sex/femininity appeal of said warriors. Cover that all up with 2 inch thick Chaos plate, chain, and fur, and I don't think you could tell the difference between any male or female. Heck, a large number of Chaos Warriors are heavily mutated under their armor, some have even grown into their armor and can't remove most of it.

Someone had better tell GW.

Spoiler:

**Carlovonsexron**

JSG wrote:
Carlovonsexron wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Carlovonsexron wrote:
To be fair, heels began as a military (specifically cavalry) fashion for men

I double dare you to wear the 2" wide chunks that were cavalry heels and then try to wear the wibbly-wobble 5"-ers gaming companies love to put women figures in and tell me of your experience

How exactly might you react if I were to tell you I had?

That said, I haven't and don't intend to, but my initial comment was meant also meant as a joke. I feel like an actual spirited defense of moden womens heels on minis wouldn't take historical considerations into account at all, but rather take on aesthetics. That said, I think the heel aesthetics on minis is dumb

That would mean you think actual women look dumb in them. Your argument is grounded in theoretical practicality, not aesthetics.

I'm sure you're trying to make some sort of point, but I don't really understand what it is you're trying to say.

**JSG**

Carlovonsexron wrote:
JSG wrote:
Carlovonsexron wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Carlovonsexron wrote:
To be fair, heels began as a military (specifically cavalry) fashion for men

I double dare you to wear the 2" wide chunks that were cavalry heels and then try to wear the wibbly-wobble 5"-ers gaming companies love to put women figures in and tell me of your experience

How exactly might you react if I were to tell you I had?

That said, I haven't and don't intend to, but my initial comment was meant also meant as a joke. I feel like an actual spirited defense of moden womens heels on minis wouldn't take historical considerations into account at all, but rather take on aesthetics. That said, I think the heel aesthetics on minis is dumb

That would mean you think actual women look dumb in them. Your argument is grounded in theoretical practicality, not aesthetics.

I'm sure you're trying to make some sort of point, but I don't really understand what it is you're trying to say.

Honestly, I was being a bit contrary with that one. I agree with what you said.

**NinthMusketeer**

Wow, surprised people managed to get offended over equal portrayal of genders. Well, not that surprised.

**JSG**

NinthMusketeer wrote:
Wow, surprised people managed to get offended over equal portrayal of genders. Well, not that surprised.

Everyone seems in favour of it though.

**Danny76**

JSG wrote:
Danny76 wrote:
AegisGrimm wrote:
I'm not really sure why Chaos Warriors that are female should have to follow the theory that they would look feminine. Chaos Warriors, both female AND male, are just completely normal humans that have been magically 'roided out to be damn near the size of a Stormcast. Why would any Chaos God worry about keeping any female Champion particularly busty or hippy when giving them a new form built for raw power?

This isn't genetics and scientific processes we are talking about, here. These are platemailed forms enhanced by the same powers that allow a Tzaangor or Dragon's head to split in half and continue to function, without it's brain falling out on the ground. Or to have a Champion have a cavernous belly-mouth where their guts should be. Where do all their guts get moved to??

At least Stormcast have the excuse that they have been remade into more "perfect" statuesque forms of both genders, so female Stormcast are going to look different than the men.

Just look at many (not necessarily all) female body builders as an example of this.
Generally muscles and such grow and boobs don’t. Once in chaos armour, I just don’t think you’d see either way.
Particularly with the fluf Of chaos warriors even back in the old world and their armour etc.
They could have always been women in there too arguably..

Sabotage! wrote:As a huge Chaos Warrior enthusiast, I love the new team.

I don't really see the argument for the women to look "more womanly."

Chaos Warriors are basically roided out to be walking walls of muscle bone. I don't think the darks gods particularly care about the sex/femininity appeal of said warriors. Cover that all up with 2 inch thick Chaos plate, chain, and fur, and I don't think you could tell the difference between any male or female. Heck, a large number of Chaos Warriors are heavily mutated under their armor, some have even grown into their armor and can't remove most of it.

Someone had better tell GW.

Spoiler:

That’s exactly the point though.
GW then.
GW now.
Doing things right.
(Valkia also wasn’t a chaos warrior though, there’s a lot more to her in her novel).

**mortar_crew**

I for one love the new team.
And the new chaos warriors line for that extent.

Chaos warriors will look like whatever
suits their patron deity (if they have any), so
the male/female thing is a bit irrelevant here in my opinion.

Slaanesh warriors will probably be slender,
but genre will still be irrelevant, because...
Slaanesh does not care.

**ImAGeek**

DaveC wrote:
Prices

Direchasm £50 €65 $75
Deckbox £8 €10 $12.50
Tokens £12 €15 $18

Thanks. I was expecting another increase on the starter, glad it’s the same as Beastgrave is at the moment.

**Geifer**

DaveC wrote:
Prices

Direchasm £50 €65 $75
Deckbox £8 €10 $12
Tokens £12 €15 $18
Dice £20 €35 $30

Seeing the price from last year's starter set hasn't changed with the new one is nice considering there were legitimate concerns that this would not be the case.

**Chopstick**

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/12/02/warhammer-underworlds-direchasm-a-closer-look-at-slaaneshs-dread-pageant/

Slaanesh warband focus

Glissete is the best 2 wound fighter in the game.

**callidusx3**

And Beautiful Deaths is the best 5+ glory Objective card in the game. So stoked for this new season.

**Chopstick**

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/12/03/warhammer-underworlds-direchasm-shining-a-light-on-the-lumineth/

Lumineth warband focus

Everyone has 3 Wound and hammer.

**callidusx3**

What amazing set of in-faction cards for the Purifiers! Quite a lot of defensive tech

**GaroRobe**

How dare they not show us cards with artwork teasing future warbans!

**callidusx3**

I too was surprised by that Garo, but perhaps the universal cards in starter will reveal more.

**GaroRobe**

I can't remember if I knew the archer was female (Lumineth one, not the Hedonite), but it's not too hard to tell by the face. Her hands are kinda wonky though; weird stubby fingers.

**ingtaer**

Loving the Lumineth cards but really hate those models, such a tough place to be... range 5 on the archer is pretty nasty and the hammer guy looks like a right beast!

Beautiful deaths is interesting, when against Gits or similar it will be a gimmie but against 'Spat or Stormcasts it will be hard to get but for 6 glory I cant imagine anyone not picking it for their deck.

**H.B.M.C.**

GW wrote:There’s no mistaking him for his savage beastmen kin, armed with a viciously hooked sword and enormous pincer claw. With a distinctive silhouette, this large and imposing model still appears lithe and agile. Perhaps his appearance is a taste of things to come…

Please let this be true. Please let the reimagined Slaangors not only come out as a plastic kit, but as big monstrous infantry rather than regular Beastmen sized!

**GaroRobe**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
GW wrote:There’s no mistaking him for his savage beastmen kin, armed with a viciously hooked sword and enormous pincer claw. With a distinctive silhouette, this large and imposing model still appears lithe and agile. Perhaps his appearance is a taste of things to come…
Please let this be true. Please let the reimagined Slaangors not only come out as a plastic kit, but as big monstrous infantry rather than regular Beastmen sized!

I think it's confirmed by the video that more are common. The one in the background of Sigvald's vid is in a similar pose, but the horns are more ornate and different. It would be cool if they were a unit, even if they were confined to the unit size of trolls and doombulls

**Mr Morden**

ingtaer wrote:
Loving the Lumineth cards but really hate those models, such a tough place to be... range 5 on the archer is pretty nasty and the hammer guy looks like a right beast!

Same - these are the first Underworlds Models I really don't want. I guess I could buy it and sell them.... but yeah.

**Chopstick**

All could easily be replaced by their AoS equivalent model. Actually the captain model in the Lumineth sentinel and warden kit have a smaller sword similar to one depicted in the card art.

**porkuslime**

Mr Morden wrote:
ingtaer wrote:
Loving the Lumineth cards but really hate those models, such a tough place to be... range 5 on the archer is pretty nasty and the hammer guy looks like a right beast!

Same - these are the first Underworlds Models I really don't want. I guess I could buy it and sell them.... but yeah.

This is my plan.. hopefully I can move the Lumimiss Elves and their cards on the Worlds Largest Garage Sale..

**GaroRobe**

Preorders are up in NZ. Honestly, the 360 view of the aelves helps the models. Yeah, the wizard's still lacking a neck, but the body isn't bad (and the head is a separate piece, so an easy fix).

Sadly, the rulebook is open to a page that only shows the two confirmed warbands: The Starblood Stalkers and the StD Ravagers. Dang you GW (though, I guess they did more or less reveal the factions for the remaining warbands)

Also, hard to tell cuz the pic is small, but the art looks like one of the skinks has a bird skull helmet/mask

**Chopstick**

He had a neck, it's just that he and the swordmaster chick look like midgets. He's even given a tall rock to stand on.

**Danny76**

Chopstick wrote:
All could easily be replaced by their AoS equivalent model. Actually the captain model in the Lumineth sentinel and warden kit have a smaller sword similar to one depicted in the card art.

If you have the army then an easy swap.
If not buying the individual models needed could cost..

I imagine everyone’s gonna be trying to sell them so prices won’t be as high for them.
Get in quick with the sales!

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Free! Direchasm cook when you buy the season 4 bundle of stuff.

They are loving these coins now aren’t they.

**KipCujo**

I wanted to add the Kurnothi warband to my collection just for fun, but was priced out because I didn't have use for the other components in the Beastgrave starter, and they seemed popular enough that I rarely encountered the band for sale second-hand. Now I'm wanting to add the Lumineth warband to my collection just for fun, so I'm a bit relieved that it sounds like I won't have nearly as much trouble finding those ones for sale! I should keep developing interest in unpopular models...

**GaroRobe**

Watched a few unboxing videos on youtube, but it doesn't look like any of the cards, even the Universal ones, tease the upcoming warband. :/

The manual probably gives a breakdown of whats coming though, so hopefully, we'll know by next week (at the very least, confirmation of what that bone symbol warband is)