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 ImAGeek wrote:
Every single other start collecting comes from a faction with more than two plastic kits though. If they ever were going to break the trend, it would probably be with the Beastclaw Raiders.

As I mentioned, it could be 2 mammoths and 2 Mournfangs, or 1 mammoth, 1 Rhinox and 2 Mournfangs, or, now that I'm thinking of it, 1 Thundertusk, 2 Mournfangs and 3 Yhetees, given the bonus ability Thundertusks gives to Yhetees.

I'd be pleasantly surprised if they happen to be plastic recasts, but I'll still welcome the bundle anyway.

 Geifer wrote:
Also, I'm not sure I'd agree with CMLR. 10 Daemonettes, 5 Seekers and a small chariot add up to 69€ in a 65€ start collecting box. That's not worth the effort. Got to be more to it than that, like twice the Daemonettes or a big chariot.

True. I think it would be weird to include an exalted chariot, or even both a regular and an exalted chariot, or one of the 3 kits I mentioned first on duplicates. Time will tell.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Does anybody ever buy a Carnosaur? Why would you get one when for the same price when you can get some infantry as well as a Carnosaur.

Your point being...?

Putting finecast in a start collecting is much less likely than breaking the 'three plastic kits' pattern.

Hi guys,

I have confirmation of the new Start Collecting contents (from GW rep).

Fyreslayers: Magmadroth, 10 Vulkite Berzerkers, Runesmiter (bit cheeky, as the latter comes from the Magmadroth kit)
Slaanesh: Exalted Seeker Chariot, 10 Daemonettes, 5 Seekers
Beastclaw Raiders: Stonehorn, 4 Mournfangs

Fyreslayers makes sense at 50% off. I'd be down to grab 2-3 boxes at that point to start an army. Brings the price point to reasonably expensive instead of ungodly.

They still need to repackage the hearthguard though.

Doesn't a Magmadroth cost more than the SC box then? I'm down with a Fyreslayer box.

Beastclaw box of 4 Mournfangs and 1 Stonehorn sounds like a good deal. Shame it seems like we won't see the return of Ogors on foot.

Fyreslayer box is a bargain if the rumour is true. I'm more into the slaanesh and ogre boxes but that's just me. "Angry naked gingers" don't really get me excited

 Bull0 wrote:
Fyreslayer box is a bargain if the rumour is true. I'm more into the slaanesh and ogre boxes but that's just me. "Angry naked gingers" don't really get me excited

Anytime Matt posts up these things, it's because he's talked with his rep.

I guess that means these new Start Collectings are this week.

I'm rather interested in that magmadroth for all sorts of reasons... The rest of the dwarves not as much, though I actually happen to be a fan of the design, and hope more of the free peoples have a kind of Conan vibe going with them

Still no word an a Tzeentch Arcanite or Genestealer Cult box, though. Only two I'm really interested in at this point, but hopefully this'll get some new armies on the tabletop.

 EnTyme wrote:
Still no word an a Tzeentch Arcanite or Genestealer Cult box, though. Only two I'm really interested in at this point, but hopefully this'll get some new armies on the tabletop.

Those are both fairly new still.

Silver Tower and Deathwatch Overkill are kinda/sorta considered the 'starter sets' for those two factions.

I will definitely pick up 2 of that slaanesh start collecting box if it comes with a exalted seeker chariot (x2 hellflayers)

 Kanluwen wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
Still no word an a Tzeentch Arcanite or Genestealer Cult box, though. Only two I'm really interested in at this point, but hopefully this'll get some new armies on the tabletop.

Those are both fairly new still.

Silver Tower and Deathwatch Overkill are kinda/sorta considered the 'starter sets' for those two factions.

A $150-$165 boxed set is a poor substitute for an $85 starter box. I love Silver Tower, but it really isn't that good as a Tzeentch Arcanites starter. You get 6 Tzaangors (with not banner, mutant, horn, or leader), 8 Acolytes (with no scroll bearer, or Vulcarc), and two HQ (both of which are available separately), all monopose. The two battleline units are undersized and missing models that buff the units. You also get a bunch of other model that you can't use in a Tzeentch Arcanites army. That's not a very good value from a starter set perspective. Again, I'm saying nothing about Silver Tower itself. I love the game and think it has tremendous value from a modern board game perspective, but as a starter set, I'd rather spend my $150 elsewhere.

Overkill is pretty much the same story. The only real benefit if you aren't interested in a Deathwatch army is that there is currently no other way to get Aberrants. I own both games, but would have no interest in buying another copy of either in order to build an army for the tabletop.

 Rydria wrote:


But Slaanesh is getting squated why would they waste money on a start collecting box for a soon to be dead faction (sarcasm)

Even though I've basically got more than enough slaanesh models with 40 seekers and 120 daemonettes. I'll get a start collecting box or two just too show games workshop that good old slaanesh has its supporters, hopfully the set will have a chariot would love to build myself a hellflayer or two.

Oh, but you do need more though, excess demands it!
I definitely don't need them, since I have over 6,000 pts of Slaaneshi Daemons built, never mind the un-built boxes and bits I've horded. But if the savings are good I'll grab a few.

Buying Overkill and selling the Deathwatch half and all the boardgame components is the best way to start a GSC army.

 Galas wrote:
Buying Overkill and selling the Deathwatch half and all the boardgame components is the best way to start a GSC army.

That's what, about 500 points counting the HQs (don't have Xenos 2, so can't check points)? It's a barebones start, but again doesn't include most of the special weapons and is monopose. I guess the real issue is that GW straight up dropped the ball on pricing one of the core kits (Acolytes/Metamorphs) for a horde army. In most cases, an SC kit can be used just as a way to start the army, but for hordes, they need to find a cost-effective way to buy lots of models (like the Tyranid Swarm box). Maybe GSC will get a battleforce box next Christmas or something, but I guess I'm getting a little off-topic. This is an AoS thread. I'll just go back to waiting for an Arcanites SC kit.

Fyreslayer SC is going straight on my to buy list if it has a magmadroth in it!

MongooseMatt wrote:
Hi guys,

I have confirmation of the new Start Collecting contents (from GW rep).

Fyreslayers: Magmadroth, 10 Vulkite Berzerkers, Runesmiter (bit cheeky, as the latter comes from the Magmadroth kit)
Slaanesh: Exalted Seeker Chariot, 10 Daemonettes, 5 Seekers
Beastclaw Raiders: Stonehorn, 4 Mournfangs

Fyreslayers is going to be hell of a deal if that's true. 50% off, the highest savings since the Stormcasts SC!, when they weren't reboxed. There will never be any other reason to pick a Magmadroth on its own; you might pick a Carnosaur because it costs the same as the SC!, but Magmadroths are more expensive. They could just stop making Magmadroths on their own at all.

And yeah, add that Runesmiter is quite cheeky, however if you mount him on a Magmadroth, you will have enough pieces to build only a Runefather/son, however, if you mount one of those on the Magmadroth, you will have spare bits to build the other one and the Runesmiter on foot, so that's yet another Fyreslayer hero.

Now, I'm not complaining about the Slaaneshi Daemons one, but, "exalted" should mean something Imo. However, I haven't seen an Exalted Chariot box yet, but the website description makes me thinks that is just two regular chariots on one box, so technically there is still a duplicate kit on it, and I'm fine with it.

Definitively is a good kit.

Personally, I really want to grab some a Beastclaw SC! bundles. You'll never have to buy each of the two kits individually ever again (unless you want Mournfangs units at max size), and a lot of Beastclaw battalions need many Stonehorns or Thundertusks.

But it really bugs me because is just 2 kits. I love the kits but... is pretty much the same "problem" I have with the Eldar SC!; I like the contents of it, but I still feel like GW could've packed a Guardian squad too.

Still, it is a really good deal. A really, really good deal.

I suppose this also means that the Icewind Assault bundle will be replaced soon, which would be a shame. Unlike the previous bundles that had one or two finecast models, three fifths of the Beastclaw are finecast and are on the Icewind Assault bundle, and it has good savings (-$87 from $302/-£49.5 from £184.5) and obviously it feels like it has more variety when compared to the SC!

Oh Mongoosematt, is there no end to how awesome you are?

Carlovonsexron wrote:
I'm rather interested in that magmadroth for all sorts of reasons... The rest of the dwarves not as much, though I actually happen to be a fan of the design, and hope more of the free peoples have a kind of Conan vibe going with them

Have you seen Chris Peach's Freeguild kitbashes? He's got that look, among several other epic ones, covered.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR1xaTcOTSN8xDIUqaRJA495gnmeVtSJZcJxGvnb7043Izqaa9I

An exalted chariot is indeed and alternate build for two chariot kits. So it could also be 2 regular chariots/hellmowers.

Edit: I'm so used to calling the hellflayer a hellmower I typed that without thinking...

I kind of feel sorry for any retailer who has Magmadroths, kind of like I felt sorry for any that had Carnosaurs when that one hit. On one hand, the kits were probably overpriced and the price drop is very welcome. On the other hand, old stock is kind of screwed.

They get a return allowance as vendors every year. So they can either sell them at cost in a fire sale or send them back early next year as part of the stock return program. Either one will work fine.

 Hulksmash wrote:
They get a return allowance as vendors every year. So they can either sell them at cost in a fire sale or send them back early next year as part of the stock return program. Either one will work fine.

Missed an opportunity with 'fyre sale"!

Baron Klatz wrote:
Oh Mongoosematt, is there no end to how awesome you are?

Carlovonsexron wrote:
I'm rather interested in that magmadroth for all sorts of reasons... The rest of the dwarves not as much, though I actually happen to be a fan of the design, and hope more of the free peoples have a kind of Conan vibe going with them

Have you seen Chris Peach's Freeguild kitbashes? He's got that look, among several other epic ones, covered.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR1xaTcOTSN8xDIUqaRJA495gnmeVtSJZcJxGvnb7043Izqaa9I

Working on some now!

(Though I didnt know people other than me had been doing the same thing until the recent warhammer community post showing Duncan Rhodes’ own efforts)

So the Exalted Chariot is just two chariot kits, yes (except -1 base).

So, base supply issues aside, you could build 2 chariots from this?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So the Exalted Chariot is just two chariot kits, yes (except -1 base).

So, base supply issues aside, you could build 2 chariots from this?

Yes. So if you buy two boxes you could have one Exalted chariot, 2 regular chariots, 20 demonettes, 10 seekers and a Herald on foot. This is one of the few boxes where buying 2 is definitely useful.

 Hulksmash wrote:
They get a return allowance as vendors every year. So they can either sell them at cost in a fire sale or send them back early next year as part of the stock return program. Either one will work fine.

Unless they are lazy like my local store is. Instead of getting rid of the Stormcasts when they were reboxed, the 5 for $50 Liberator kit is still on the shelves there, and they have never gotten the 10 for $62. Instead of selling it for the $30 or so they paid for it, I guess they are hoping some sucker comes along and doesn't notice or know any better :/

Yeah, I've seen Carnosaurs on shelves recently. Stores are not great at that.

The only downside is that I have 48 Diaz Daemonettes and 18 Diaz Daemonette Cav. Don't need the inferior plastics... but the Chariots are pretty.

If fyreslayer box is true and GH II repoints them effectively, I will be selling my SC and lavaing every minute of it!

Baron Klatz wrote:
Oh Mongoosematt, is there no end to how awesome you are?

Carlovonsexron wrote:
I'm rather interested in that magmadroth for all sorts of reasons... The rest of the dwarves not as much, though I actually happen to be a fan of the design, and hope more of the free peoples have a kind of Conan vibe going with them

Have you seen Chris Peach's Freeguild kitbashes? He's got that look, among several other epic ones, covered.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR1xaTcOTSN8xDIUqaRJA495gnmeVtSJZcJxGvnb7043Izqaa9I

Aren't those Duncan's?