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Baron Klatz wrote:
Haha, remember not to take it literal.

I'm wondering if it's pointing to a religious fallout with Sigmar's lands.

They already shown Death worshippers in his cities passing out pamphlets and the like so a warrior of Sigmar turning into a skeleton would be a good symbol of his cities doing the same.

Yup, in spear of shadows they also mention that people still do remember the tales of how sigmar abandoned the people. While if you look at nagash he still kept fighting no matter what. Plus if you do worship nagash you get a good spot in the underworld plus a chance at immortality. Remember think along the lines of norse/greek mythology or mythology in general and these omens start to make a lot more sense IMO.

you even got nagash worshippers hanging out in the cities if Nagash tells them to start setting up cults to drag down the city they will do it. Plus we know that nagash does indeed talk to his followers a lot unlike sigmar. I personally think the reason why the age of hope will die or what will play a part in it because it's as Grungi said in spear of shadows, Sigmar does not lower himself to the little peoples level. Even nagash does it in his own weird and domineering way. Also to add look at the text that goes with the omen.



Shadows gather in sigmar's kingdoms, and none are safe

Also people screaming undead pirates and death stormcast need to remember these omens are not to be taken literally as per GW. Josh reynolds liked this post on TGA so who knows it might be a hint.

My interpretation of "The Icon" is that it shows the rot and decay starting to take hold under the veneer of Order and Sigmar's reclaimed realms. So that makes me think that "The Field" represents Shyish itself (i.e. the land of the dead) and "the Ship" represents passage to the land of the living (a la the ferry across Styx in Greek mythology)

We also need to stop thinking of Nagash as That Richard From Khemri.

He's now solely The God of Death.

To some, his halls are Valhalla - just reward for the brave.
To others, he is the reaper that spares innocents from the horrors of the world.
He is vengeful.
He is loving
He is eternal punishment
He is eternal peace

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
We also need to stop thinking of Nagash as That Richard From Khemri.

He's now solely The God of Death.

To some, his halls are Valhalla - just reward for the brave.
To others, he is the reaper that spares innocents from the horrors of the world.
He is vengeful.
He is loving
He is eternal punishment
He is eternal peace

I exalted this post a vampire brings this up in spear of shadows it's not the scary giant skeleton pope that collects the souls of the innocent. Nagash and the gods have aspects to handle the smaller stuff while they have a main big form.

Hmmm, yanno I am starting to like Nagash more and more now.

Desire to model and collect Death aligned mortals intensifies. Perhaps cultures were being raised as an undead soldier is seen as a great blessing and are revered.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Hmmm, yanno I am starting to like Nagash more and more now.

Desire to model and collect Death aligned mortals intensifies. Perhaps cultures were being raised as an undead soldier is seen as a great blessing and are revered.

It is going by one novel a clan of people when they die they leave their bodies on a hill to be eaten by carrion birds(carrion birds are seen to represent nagash since he likes travelling through them) until they are bones. They then take the body and store them away to be raised when they are attacked. In a fan fiction I am planning to write for my death army the leader is going to visit a place where a group of barbarians see stygx as some sort of valhalla. They raid and pillage since they think receiving and giving death is a gift and if they are really awesome Nagash might make them undead so they can fight forever.

There are groups of people in shyish who give blood to vampires freely. It even happens in spear of shadows.

All in all it definitely points to Nagash doing something. What that SOMETHING is has not yet been revealed but it certainly will be no good for Order.

Reading the extra Lore most bets are that it will have something to do with the Black Pyramid.

Cataphract wrote:
All in all it definitely points to Nagash doing something. What that SOMETHING is has not yet been revealed but it certainly will be no good for Order.

Reading the extra Lore most bets are that it will have something to do with the Black Pyramid.

Yup with the pyramid,



I recommend for people to pick up lord of undeath and the hunt for nagash audio drama.

Also get this book. When it comes out it is the warhammer world exclusive book.




The book goes into how people become deathlords and how nagash kinda fixed himself after Archaon slapped him. Now if they keep with this Death lords can be from necromancers, to wights and vampires. Hence why I pray the new faction focuses on death lords they can use all the dead and in turn this can benefit older factions.

Damn this all sounds amazing.

See this is my problem with the hobby, I have only just started my Blood Angels but I now want to collect more Custodes once that HQ comes out and now I am already planning a mortal Death force using Flesh-Eater Courts. Even the Horrors could be Ogors/animated statues. I love the idea of 'Death-Vikings' reminds me of the undead Vyrkrul from Warcraft. Now to do that or try some Egyptian/Knight themed mortals?! Bloodreavers with iconography removed, replaced with Tomb King symbols and have their faces painted as skulls. Well there I go wondering again. Plus the purple armour theme is very appealing.

I really hope Tomb Kings come back though with this.

They have made Nagash their own Lich King and I'm totally ok with that.

Death and necromancers are all good, but living followers and cults forming a organiced religion after a God of Death Figure is the best.
My life for Ner... Nagash!

If Nagash is the Lich King I suppose that makes Arkham the Black... Kel'thuzad.

Haha, I remember showing Arkhan to my friends who only heard of Warhammer. They immediately thought that was Kel and were shocked when I showed them otherwise.

Sue Blizzard jokes soon followed.

 shinros wrote:

Cataphract wrote:
All in all it definitely points to Nagash doing something. What that SOMETHING is has not yet been revealed but it certainly will be no good for Order.

Reading the extra Lore most bets are that it will have something to do with the Black Pyramid.

Yup with the pyramid,

Spoiler:

nagash states who ever dies in shyish when it's done their soul will go to him no matter if they are marked by chaos or a stormcast. Imagine him being powered up by all those souls? It's largely why he did not turn up at the all point. In more detail, Neferata is wondering why nagash is not helping sigmar, Mannfred and Arkhan turn up telling her there is going to be no alliance to her shock(also she thinks mannfred is a traitor when he was actually working for skeleton pope). Nagash then tells her he prefers to stalemate since it serves his wishes.

I recommend for people to pick up lord of undeath and the hunt for nagash audio drama.

Also get this book. When it comes out it is the warhammer world exclusive book.




The book goes into how people become deathlords and how nagash kinda fixed himself after Archaon slapped him. Now if they keep with this Death lords can be from necromancers, to wights and vampires. Hence why I pray the new faction focuses on death lords they can use all the dead and in turn this can benefit older factions.

Oh cool! I'd just assumed it was the novel of the audio book.

"Deathcast Eternals" is a cool idea. Hopefully they're not just the CSM to the Stormcast SM (i.e., hopefully not just Stormcast but with death bits on), but it would be cool to see some models that are similar in scale and effectiveness. Death currently has super cheap models and hyper elite massive models, with very little inbetween (it's really just the Crypt Horror box variants and even that is way more elite than Stormcast stuff).

Seeing new Vampire type troops that have personality and are inbetween Thralls and Heroes would be really cool from a tabletop perspective.

If the age of Hope is dead in AoS, but has began in 40k with Guilliman.... Does this mean AoS is now more Grimdark than 40k?

I can't wait for Death to get a bump. I like my Flesh-Eater court but there are so many cool things you could do with Death if we had a bit more cohesive of a force.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 shinros wrote:

Cataphract wrote:
All in all it definitely points to Nagash doing something. What that SOMETHING is has not yet been revealed but it certainly will be no good for Order.

Reading the extra Lore most bets are that it will have something to do with the Black Pyramid.

Yup with the pyramid,

Spoiler:

nagash states who ever dies in shyish when it's done their soul will go to him no matter if they are marked by chaos or a stormcast. Imagine him being powered up by all those souls? It's largely why he did not turn up at the all point. In more detail, Neferata is wondering why nagash is not helping sigmar, Mannfred and Arkhan turn up telling her there is going to be no alliance to her shock(also she thinks mannfred is a traitor when he was actually working for skeleton pope). Nagash then tells her he prefers to stalemate since it serves his wishes.

I recommend for people to pick up lord of undeath and the hunt for nagash audio drama.

Also get this book. When it comes out it is the warhammer world exclusive book.


The book goes into how people become deathlords and how nagash kinda fixed himself after Archaon slapped him. Now if they keep with this Death lords can be from necromancers, to wights and vampires. Hence why I pray the new faction focuses on death lords they can use all the dead and in turn this can benefit older factions.

Oh cool! I'd just assumed it was the novel of the audio book.

The audio drama is already in novel form it's called mortarch of night. It has mannfred's face plastered on it. As I said I do recommend to pick it up. The book also shows how normal people live in shyish.

 Gamgee wrote:

Chikout wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Ships are a big part of AOS given the distances - we have sky ships as well as ships that sail on various liquids.

I thought it was vampire pirates?

Vampirates (tm) sound really cool, but since the last faction release also had a sort of nautical theme (Kharadron), I'm hoping this doesn't cause an overall theme shift for the setting.

I don't know. I would be pretty OK with AoS being age of pirates for a while. We could have ghost pirates, grot pirates, nurgle pirates and Aelf pirates. That sounds pretty awesome.

When I asked for Vampire pirates and stuff on the warhammer total war forums I got shouted down. I hope this is them. Going to be honest if it is I'll never ever get beastclaw raiders like I intended and will get Vampire Pirates lol or whatever undead themed pirates. It would be a more fitting enemy than Beastclaw for them. Also totally cool with more factions getting cool air/naval stuff. I still think the sky skaven should be more submersible looking in nature. Then my Overlords will have their old foes back.

Edit
Then again GW can be pretty bland at times. Best not to expect anything too cool. Could be an undead primarch lol.

AOS goes pirate world I'm out.

Requizen wrote:
"Deathcast Eternals" is a cool idea. Hopefully they're not just the CSM to the Stormcast SM (i.e., hopefully not just Stormcast but with death bits on), but it would be cool to see some models that are similar in scale and effectiveness. Death currently has super cheap models and hyper elite massive models, with very little inbetween (it's really just the Crypt Horror box variants and even that is way more elite than Stormcast stuff).

Seeing new Vampire type troops that have personality and are inbetween Thralls and Heroes would be really cool from a tabletop perspective.

I was just reading Fury of Gork (late to the party, I know) but this bit stuck out to me (Ch. 9) : "...Zephacleas knew little save that the warriors sent to seek the Starless Gates in the Realm of Death had met some terrible fate. The forge-seers whispered of shuddering spirits, almost too broken to be reforged, and of a single soul as yet missing."

 eohall wrote:

Requizen wrote:
"Deathcast Eternals" is a cool idea. Hopefully they're not just the CSM to the Stormcast SM (i.e., hopefully not just Stormcast but with death bits on), but it would be cool to see some models that are similar in scale and effectiveness. Death currently has super cheap models and hyper elite massive models, with very little inbetween (it's really just the Crypt Horror box variants and even that is way more elite than Stormcast stuff).

Seeing new Vampire type troops that have personality and are inbetween Thralls and Heroes would be really cool from a tabletop perspective.

I was just reading Fury of Gork (late to the party, I know) but this bit stuck out to me (Ch. 9) : "...Zephacleas knew little save that the warriors sent to seek the Starless Gates in the Realm of Death had met some terrible fate. The forge-seers whispered of shuddering spirits, almost too broken to be reforged, and of a single soul as yet missing."

That's

 unmercifulconker wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
Haha, remember not to take it literal.

I'm wondering if it's pointing to a religious fallout with Sigmar's lands.

They already shown Death worshippers in his cities passing out pamphlets and the like so a warrior of Sigmar turning into a skeleton would be a good symbol of his cities doing the same.

Ooooo that's a good point.

I wonder if the Order hero could be a new Lord-Relictor.

I always wondered how many mortals especially those not from Shyish would even want to worship Nagash but I guess he is really a guardian of the dead. Ya soul is safe in the afterlife with him and not being gobbled up by daemons.

Indeed, In Spear of Shadows, Adhema, a ancient warrior vampire in the service of Neferata talks a bit about the different aspects of him that can draw worship:

‘Nagash is… all,’ He contains multitudes. Even as Sigmar does. The gods are not men, and do not exist as men, confined to one life. I have seen Nagash unbound – a titan of death, striding across a field of corpses. Wherever his shadow fell, the dead rose and walked, hungry for the flesh of the living. And I have seen Nagash-Mor, calm and silent, weighing the hearts of dead souls against a feather. And there are other aspects, I’m told. The Forlorn Child, who leads those who die before their allotted time to gentle slumber, and the Black Priest, who gives succour to those whose deaths are too painful to be borne. All are one in Nagash and Nagash is all.’

Death - worshipping Aelves with ascended Deathcast champions?

I'm so excited for this release!

Requizen wrote:
Death - worshipping Aelves with ascended Deathcast champions?

I'm so excited for this release!

What's this about Aelves?

Cataphract wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Death - worshipping Aelves with ascended Deathcast champions?

I'm so excited for this release!

What's this about Aelves?

Just guessing at this point

Though we've seem elf-ish rumor engines, and something like Drow would be pretty interesting (not just Dark Elves, but like seriously living in caves worshipping shadow elves).

 Mr Morden wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
Haha, remember not to take it literal.

I'm wondering if it's pointing to a religious fallout with Sigmar's lands.

They already shown Death worshippers in his cities passing out pamphlets and the like so a warrior of Sigmar turning into a skeleton would be a good symbol of his cities doing the same.

Ooooo that's a good point.

I wonder if the Order hero could be a new Lord-Relictor.

I always wondered how many mortals especially those not from Shyish would even want to worship Nagash but I guess he is really a guardian of the dead. Ya soul is safe in the afterlife with him and not being gobbled up by daemons.

Indeed, In Spear of Shadows, Adhema, a ancient warrior vampire in the service of Neferata talks a bit about the different aspects of him that can draw worship:

‘Nagash is… all,’ He contains multitudes. Even as Sigmar does. The gods are not men, and do not exist as men, confined to one life. I have seen Nagash unbound – a titan of death, striding across a field of corpses. Wherever his shadow fell, the dead rose and walked, hungry for the flesh of the living. And I have seen Nagash-Mor, calm and silent, weighing the hearts of dead souls against a feather. And there are other aspects, I’m told. The Forlorn Child, who leads those who die before their allotted time to gentle slumber, and the Black Priest, who gives succour to those whose deaths are too painful to be borne. All are one in Nagash and Nagash is all.’

Of course, completely forgot about that bit! I really need to finish the book. Yeah when she said he gives peace to those who die prematurely I was like awww Nagash actually cares.

RULE #1 is BE POLITE.

RULE #2 is STAY ON TOPIC.

RULE #3 is NO SPAM.

Simple, straightforward...

...and mandatory.

Edited.

Neronoxx wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
RULE #1 is BE POLITE.

RULE #2 is STAY ON TOPIC.

RULE #3 is NO SPAM.

Simple, straightforward...

...and mandatory.

Uhmm...thanks for the reminder? Seems out of left field and heavy handed. What am I missing?

A deleted comment, really, let's not dwell on it.

Ah, disregard then.

Lord Kragan wrote:

And the other day I think people said: "these teasers shouldn't be taken literally"... which doesn't mean "let the rampant and baseless speculation comence."

More stormcast is a pretty safe bet.

Well with an event/campaign focused on the Death faction it would make sense to finally release a solo Lord Relictor for Order

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Well with an event/campaign focused on the Death faction it would make sense to finally release a solo Lord Relictor for Order

Ya know that would be tolerable I think.