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2017/04/22 14:50:54
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
Ok so, currently "who do I shoot at next" involves you taking into account several different saves; different types of weapons, and whether you moved them or not; whether you or the target is in combat; the armour save, AP, toughness and strength of various units which you need to take into account to judge which unit is best shot by which unit and numerous rules like Gets Hot, Pinning, Stealth, Ignores Cover. Under and AoS like system, your bolters will wound anything from a termagant to a carnifex on a 3+ and you can shoot at literally anything you can see and that's in range, regardless of combat (which is stupid) and regardless of whether you moved and what weapon you're carrying.
"Who do I charge next", you have to consider units that are in cover and the potential of hitting at I1; grenades; overwatch; how your shooting affects any charge you attempt; whether it would be better to run, do a jetpack move or whether you used your jump pack already this turn; multiple charges and their advantages and disadvantages and, again, multiple special rules like Hammer of Wrath, Furious Charge, Hit and Run. Under an AoS system you can charge whoever is in range regardless of moving/shooting and, apart from it being your turn and being able to activate a unit first, there's not really any advantage to getting the charge outside of select units.
Yes 40k is hardly the most in-depth game in existence, but I don't want it stooping to AoS' levels.
So if I want to play Deathwatch I now have to buy a book for EVERY SINGLE imperial army and unit, and deal with having to lug that around or scroll through all the unnecessary pages. Codex: Deathwatch is a very slim, streamlined book, but no, now I would need to buy the equivalent of several codices to use them. And what's to distinguish them from any other imperial army? Gone are the individual background info, and, probably, army-wide special rules. We'll know have faction-wide rules and warlord traits. Until they release an over-expensive battletome for half an army that is.
I'm not going to argue over which game system has more depth but you are very clearly selling Age of Sigmar short. Don't believe me? Pay attention to high end play and you'll learn very quickly.
As to your second paragraph...what?
Why are you saying Deathwatch would be split up into different books when they are listed as their own faction on the new website?
Why are you saying you would need to now buy a book for "every single" Imperial army? Isn't that what the current situation is? You have to buy a book for Astra Militarum if you want to ally them to your Deathwatch (which you also have to buy a book for). That's CURRENT 40k. In what way would it be different now with the new system?
Why are you assuming the rules won't be free?
Why are you assuming there won't be an App that has all the rules for all the units on it, saving you the book-lugging that 40K GROSSLY suffers from which is NOT the case with Age of Sigmar?
Why would you need to buy several codices to use your Deathwatch army? The entire Khorne range is in one book. The entire Sylvaneth range is in one book. Hell, at the time of printing the entire Chaos range was in its own Grand Alliance book. What on earth are you going on about?
Why are you saying you'll need an over-expensive battletome just to get your faction wide rules, warlord traits, background, etc when YOU NEED TO BUY A CODEX IN 40KTO DO THE SAME THING!? Also, why are you saying the battletomes are over-expensive when they have oft been CHEAPER than the 40K codices?
You people honestly just confuse me and make me laugh.
Please, for the love of the Emperor, THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE.
2017/04/22 14:51:58
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
Again, the campaign books don't have any content for Matched play. Only narrative scenarios and battalions without points cost. And there's is no "core rule book", what you're talking about is actually the first campaign book. So what you're actually looking at if you want all the Matched play content are the existing Battletomes for factions (12x £25 on average) and the Generals Handbook (£15). So that's £315. If you want to play one army like most players you're looking at £40.
This is the quote from the GW website.
Spoiler:
Continue the story of Sigmar’s strike against Chaos with this fantastic hardback book! Inside, you’ll find a huge selection of Battleplans - these are new ways to play Warhammer Age of Sigmar, scenarios that complement and add to the core ruleset to give you new and unique command abilities for your generals, differing victory conditions, objectives and goals for your armies to clash over and set-up/battlefield environment rules special to the story you’re recreating. The Age of Sigmar is a fraught and dangerous place, and the tales from the Realms are endless and exciting - this book throws you headfirst into the spectacular war of the Stormhosts, and adds depth, detail and insight into the struggles Sigmar and his alliances face.
Included are Warscrolls for the following featured forces - Stormcast Eternals, Khorne Bloodbound and Sylvaneth, and Warscroll Battalions which provide special abilities and conditions for groups of warriors.
This full-colour, hardback 264-page book also contains a treasure trove of stories from the Realms, incredible new artwork, gloriously photographed miniatures, colour schemes and heraldries - it’s a true must-have purchase for those who want to get the most out of their copy of Warhammer Age of Sigmar!"
This is not an argument of how you can play AoS or 40k and their comparison. If you want to compare minimalist cost comparisons then the comparisons have to be equal. People were comparing the costs overall of 40k for getting everything they need vs the minimalist AoS approach which is not balanced or reasonable.
The 40k rulebook provides both scenarios/background/rules combined. The AoS rules do not. You hence need to compare equally. That cost £50 or so. So to be fair comparison you also need to include the cost of the background and scenario information (which for the starter book is £45) if you just want to grab some models, plonk them on a table and roll some dice then yes it is cheaper books wise. But if you are interested in different scenarios/ and the background for the different factions (even if you don't want to play them) then you need to get all the books and that is vastly more expensive. So it depends on what you want from the game, whether it is just a wargame or a more encompassing hobby.
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2017/04/22 14:52:26
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
Terribly sorry, that some of us (including myself) enjoy products by GW and are hopeful.
I hope you have a good weekend!
Hope is all you have because you are most certainly not getting quality gaming materials.
This will be the what...third new edition in four years? With new codexes and splat books every time?
Ha ha
Oh, I know you! You`re the FFG promoter dude Welcome! I hope you have a good time here, in a 40k thread proving to us, what idiots we are!
Anyway, I hope the New Starter is not just arines, but I might still be tempted, if minis are good: like the ones we`ve seen from Death Guard teaser (Assuming there are DG in th new strter box)
Yeah, it really is a shame that GAMES WORKSHOP sucks at making games.
FFG does a better job.
Heading to a tournament today. Hopefully, I can steer somone onto the better path. Wish me luck.
No.
2017/04/22 14:52:51
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
So all supplemental formations (the actual rules for factions/armies/whatever) are free online? That's not what was stated a few pages earlier when I asked about that. The answer was there are additional ways to buy the drip feed additions to your armies.
Some formations are listed in the warscroll app from GW directly - free
There is one included in "Getting started" box - think GW has this one sitting on the site for each one also. I know my GW shop has all of these stacked up for ref
And usually a unique one in the book - The only one that isn't truely free I suppose, but easily accessible.
Warscroll builder has each one with their points value, and searching for the name yields the formation makeup. Battalions aren't required, but are useful (some of them anyway). In matched play they have a points cost associated with them, unlike 40k -- if you want the goodies it unlocks, you're going to pay for it.
As for GHB being useful... I suppose the common reception to just how bad the core AOS army building rules were in random pick up game play sure helped in making a book that returned some semblance of common sense to the rules feel useful. That's not a high hurdle to jump over though.
It's useful in the sense that yeah - it brought back points system - but it also expands on the scenarios in both open and narrative. Open play is still pretty fun though if you want to just throw models down and see who stomps who. Scenarios are where it's at for me -- hold the gate, kill the monster, king of the hill - a nice departure from just line-up-two-armies-and-fight methodology.
AoS w/o the GHB is still fine, but it's worth the paltry point of entry to get a book that's more than just fluff like most previous codexes.
2017/04/22 14:52:56
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
Terribly sorry, that some of us (including myself) enjoy products by GW and are hopeful.
I hope you have a good weekend!
Hope is all you have because you are most certainly not getting quality gaming materials.
This will be the what...third new edition in four years? With new codexes and splat books every time?
Ha ha
It seems better than the other two editions. Free rules is a good start at least.
Nothing has changed, except that it appears to be cheaper, and more streamlined.
If that's a bad thing, then you don't need to take part in it. You may have fun on your own terms, and leave others to have theirs.
Free rules means you will get to enjoy higher cost miniatures.
Got any evidence for that?
Do not full yourself for a minute, if you want to stay competitive and have any chance at winning you WILL buy those supplements again.
Have they mentioned anything about supplements? And I've not bought a supplement from GW in my life. I have no desire to play competitively - my idea of 40k is fun narrative play, and I think these rules will compliment that well.
Don't believe me? Try and take an AoS army built from the free rules up against someone using battletomes.
I'm actually working on doing exactly that with my Skaven from WHFB. I'll let you know how it goes, but from what I see, AoS seems pretty well balanced.
You are a white knight apologist if you think otherwise.
Again, I wasn't aware that pointing out the errors in people's pricing, and saying that "you do you" makes me a white knight. I think this discussion would go along a lot smoother without labelling people as such.
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2017/04/22 14:53:17
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
I would sincerely like to thank GW for the opportunity to rebuy the rules and to rebuy the army books again, so I can keep playing this great new game of theirs.
Also the chance to rebuy my army in lightly bigger true-scale versions of the same thing is an opportunity I relish getting to be able to take part in.
Thank you GW.
2017/04/22 14:53:39
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
I'm pretty excited. Looks like they have really put a lot of effort into the redesign and we are finally moving forward.
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2017/04/22 14:54:59
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
This is the quote from the GW website.
This is not an argument of how you can play AoS or 40k and their comparison. If you want to compare minimalist cost comparisons then the comparisons have to be equal. People were comparing the costs overall of 40k for getting everything they need vs the minimalist AoS approach which is not balanced or reasonable.
The 40k rulebook provides both scenarios/background/rules combined. The AoS rules do not. You hence need to compare equally. That cost £50 or so. So to be fair comparison you also need to include the cost of the background and scenario information (which for the starter book is £45) if you just want to grab some models, plonk them on a table and roll some dice then yes it is cheaper books wise. But if you are interested in different scenarios/ and the background for the different factions (even if you don't want to play them) then you need to get all the books and that is vastly more expensive. So it depends on what you want from the game, whether it is just a wargame or a more encompassing hobby.
Oh for christ's sake, ALMOST NO-ONE WHO PLAYS MATCHED PLAY USES THE CAMPAIGN BOOKS. Formations from campaign books are usually ILLEGAL in Matched Play.
The APP gives you the CORE RULES for FREE. All you need then is the GENERAL'S HANDBOOK for the points and scenarios and your BATTLETOME for formations/traits. That is ALL you need.
How many freaking times do I have to correct people that know NOTHING about Age of Sigmar?
And before you even dare to say "but the scenarios in the campaign book..." NONE OF THEM ARE USED IN MATCHED PLAY. They are the exact same thing as Altar of War missions from supplements and campaign books found in 40K.
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2017/04/22 14:55:03
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
Terribly sorry, that some of us (including myself) enjoy products by GW and are hopeful.
I hope you have a good weekend!
Hope is all you have because you are most certainly not getting quality gaming materials.
This will be the what...third new edition in four years? With new codexes and splat books every time?
Ha ha
Oh, I know you! You`re the FFG promoter dude Welcome! I hope you have a good time here, in a 40k thread proving to us, what idiots we are!
Anyway, I hope the New Starter is not just arines, but I might still be tempted, if minis are good: like the ones we`ve seen from Death Guard teaser (Assuming there are DG in th new strter box)
Yeah, it really is a shame that GAMES WORKSHOP sucks at making games.
FFG does a better job.
Heading to a tournament today. Hopefully, I can steer somone onto the better path. Wish me luck.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure at this point you're trolling.
They/them
2017/04/22 14:55:13
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
Fenrir Kitsune wrote: I would sincerely like to thank GW for the opportunity to rebuy the rules and to rebuy the army books again, so I can keep playing this great new game of theirs.
Also the chance to rebuy my army in lightly bigger true-scale versions of the same thing is an opportunity I relish getting to be able to take part in.
Thank you GW.
You are welcome!
Sincerely,
The New* Games Workshop
2017/04/22 14:56:58
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
ncshooter426 wrote: You could argue that the unique formation would be advantageous reason for buying the book -- however I've yet to ever run across a GW store that says you have to have the book to run the formation. Just print the gak out as ref (so you oppt know whats up) and go play.
So if you're not buying the book, how are you to "just print the gak out as ref"? I don't think promoting piracy as the free GW in store rules option is the point.
Because the lions share of formations are in their own app. Or, walk over, open the book on the shelf and say "I think I'll try this, see how it works out". It's not complicated - it's a damn game.
2017/04/22 14:57:40
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
Terribly sorry, that some of us (including myself) enjoy products by GW and are hopeful.
I hope you have a good weekend!
Hope is all you have because you are most certainly not getting quality gaming materials.
This will be the what...third new edition in four years? With new codexes and splat books every time?
Ha ha
It seems better than the other two editions. Free rules is a good start at least.
Nothing has changed, except that it appears to be cheaper, and more streamlined.
If that's a bad thing, then you don't need to take part in it. You may have fun on your own terms, and leave others to have theirs.
Free rules means you will get to enjoy higher cost miniatures.
Do not full yourself for a minute, if you want to stay competitive and have any chance at winning you WILL buy those supplements again.
Don't believe me? Try and take an AoS army built from the free rules up against someone using battletomes.
You are a white knight apologist if you think otherwise.
Ending an argument with 'and if you don't agree with me you're a doody head!' is probably not the best way to make a point.
The miniatures in AoS are of comparable price, sometime cheaper, sometimes not but not radical overpriced anywhere(anymore at least). The free rules are totally valid and plenty of armies only need scrollbuilder.net to work(beast claw raiders/ANY non tzeentch chaos lists/Hell tomb kings don't even have a book). In fact, some battletomes are actively detrimental to their armies so no one has bought them. The battletomes are also cheaper, my last one was 20$ and if you don't care for the content you can just buy the 1-2 formations you like for 2-4$ total. Supplements after codexes haven't happened yet. Outside of campaign books which never have good rules in them.
(Side bar 7th has been out for 3 years, 6 lasted 2 so that's also wrong.)
You clearly have either a secondhand or misinformed knowledge of sigmar and using that to fear monger the new edition isn't likely to be the best use of your time.
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2017/04/22 14:58:10
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
ncshooter426 wrote: You could argue that the unique formation would be advantageous reason for buying the book -- however I've yet to ever run across a GW store that says you have to have the book to run the formation. Just print the gak out as ref (so you oppt know whats up) and go play.
So if you're not buying the book, how are you to "just print the gak out as ref"? I don't think promoting piracy as the free GW in store rules option is the point.
Because the lions share of formations are in their own app. Or, walk over, open the book on the shelf and say "I think I'll try this, see how it works out". It's not complicated - it's a damn game.
Tell that to 7e.
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2017/04/22 14:58:24
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
Fenrir Kitsune wrote: I would sincerely like to thank GW for the opportunity to rebuy the rules and to rebuy the army books again, so I can keep playing this great new game of theirs.
Also the chance to rebuy my army in lightly bigger true-scale versions of the same thing is an opportunity I relish getting to be able to take part in.
Thank you GW.
Again, this is not new.
For reference, see:
2nd Edition.
3rd Edition
4th Edition
5th Edition
6th Edition
7th Edition
and all the various codexes that were made irrelevant with rule changes.
This is not a brand new revelation. What IS a new revelation is free core rules for 8th.
They/them
2017/04/22 14:58:26
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
GG games workshop, thanks to three edition in as many years, not forgetting all codices and obviously supplements, you basically robbed several millions of people! Enjoy your daylight robbery!
Seriously, I'm glad i stuck with 6th anyway, otherwise i would have had to sell my house and family to follow up...
Let's hope they'll manage to change their behavor or at least produce something worthwhile.
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2017/04/22 14:58:28
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
And how many people buy ALL battletomes? You generally have 1, 2 or 3 armies per player so again it's.
The fact that you mention Mighty Battles in the Age of Sigmar just goes to show how little you know, same going for the realmgate wars, which are fore the campaigns, narrative play, not actual matches play rules.
How many people buy all the Codexes or Army books?
It's more lack of understanding of what I am trying to say. I never once mentioned only matched play, that's your driver for a game. I'm looking at it from a much wider perspective. I'm less interested in playing just straight up equal match ups compared to having a wider hobby experience, so the campaigns etc and knowing the background and the story. If you want that to be included in your hobby then you need all the background books/campaign books and so on. Not everyone just plays/enjoys the game simply for showing how easily they can smash their opponent...
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2017/04/22 14:58:57
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
Terribly sorry, that some of us (including myself) enjoy products by GW and are hopeful.
I hope you have a good weekend!
Hope is all you have because you are most certainly not getting quality gaming materials.
This will be the what...third new edition in four years? With new codexes and splat books every time?
Ha ha
It seems better than the other two editions. Free rules is a good start at least.
Nothing has changed, except that it appears to be cheaper, and more streamlined.
If that's a bad thing, then you don't need to take part in it. You may have fun on your own terms, and leave others to have theirs.
Don't believe me? Try and take an AoS army built from the free rules up against someone using battletomes.
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Man, this strawman pops every so often and it cracks me up.
You know who won the first SCGT tournament for AoS? Rob Symes, he used no battletome because he went mixed alleigance. That same version of a list also won the first heat of the GT in february. You know the masters? Another free-rules army, a legacy one at that! Tomb kings are 100% in rules and are the strongest army in the meta alongside Mixed destruction, DoT (whose main source of power actually operates optimally even without the tome!), the Sayl-bomb, which requires no battletome again... the list goes on.
Adepticon's vanguard tournament on the morning was won by a stormcast army that barely made use of the factors of its battletome, too, using mainly just the units rules (like 99%) and tactics.
2017/04/22 15:00:43
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
warboss wrote: [
I'm totally calm.. I'm just not optimistic. There is a difference.
Fair enough.
I am not a fan of 6th or 7th edition, either. I like how AoS has ended up and look forward to General's Handbook style 40k. I am most excited about how FW will be included and curious if they also mean Horus Heresy.
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2017/04/22 15:01:50
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
Fenrir Kitsune wrote: I would sincerely like to thank GW for the opportunity to rebuy the rules and to rebuy the army books again, so I can keep playing this great new game of theirs.
Also the chance to rebuy my army in lightly bigger true-scale versions of the same thing is an opportunity I relish getting to be able to take part in.
Thank you GW.
Ah, I take it you've never played Warhammer before, because if you had you'd probably know a bout how the editions change regularly which means you would have to buy new rulebooks and codexes as they updated, and that the scale of the models has kept changing over the years.
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2017/04/22 15:01:51
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
Maréchal des Logis Walter wrote: GG games workshop, thanks to three edition in as many years, not forgetting all codices and obviously supplements, you basically robbed several millions of people! Enjoy your daylight robbery!
Seriously, I'm glad i stuck with 6th anyway, otherwise i would have had to sell my house and family to follow up...
Let's hope they'll manage to change their behavor or at least produce something worthwhile.
It's such a shame that you're being forced to play a new game, and that your old models and books spontaneously caught fire this morning. :(
This is the same mentality that makes developing new OS's fething impossible. "I REFUSE TO MOVE FROM XP BECAUSE I LIKE IT" -- Fine, then use it "OH NOEZ! I'VE BEEN HAXORED! MICRO$OFT SUX" ...sigh. I deal with that gak every god damn day.
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2017/04/22 15:02:33
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
Maréchal des Logis Walter wrote: GG games workshop, thanks to three edition in as many years, not forgetting all codices and obviously supplements, you basically robbed several millions of people! Enjoy your daylight robbery!
Seriously, I'm glad i stuck with 6th anyway, otherwise i would have had to sell my house and family to follow up...
Let's hope they'll manage to change their behavor or at least produce something worthwhile.
You're wrong in every word that you've said from the start of the post. Why waste your time writing this tripe? 7th by itself lasted 3 years, how many splatbooks and bestiaries and sh** has DnD invalidated over the years etc, etc ,etc, etc. Also 6 was exactly the same as 7th except...yunno...not as good.
2017/04/22 15:07:42
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
posted this in the other thread that got shut off, but thought i'd post it again here;
that head looks a lot like some of the FW blood angels ones:
(wrong colour obviously tho)
EDIT: well looking at the side by side, they are not exactly the same - slashes/vents are in wrong direction, and they dont have the 'brow' that the pic has, probably more like the regular mkiv helms tbh
As long as all of my myriad factions remain valid and have cool ways to play, I will be happy. The fact that the Blood Angels page flat out says they favor jump packs and close combat has me very excited for them. If they return to the days of Jump Pack Troops, I will be very happy as that will differentiate them from my Crimson Fists quite a bit. I am really looking forward to what they do with Deathwatch, as they could really use a shot in the arm in terms of power. Hopefully everything I have assembled so far remains decently powered.
What I am really hoping for is for things like Chapter Tactics to exist, but be much more balanced. I want my Crimson Fists to be on level with White Scars and Iron Hands. Hopefully Pedro Kantor will still give me a reason to spam Sternguard as well.
All in all, I am excited for the reboot and look forward to the new rules for my armies and new rules. I am REALLY glad I decided against buying the Skitarii codex yesterday.
Who thinks that the allies matrix will remain in place the way it is? Or will the days of six different armies making one force be gone? I definitely want stuff like Tau running Culexus assassins to be gone.
Fenrir Kitsune wrote: I would sincerely like to thank GW for the opportunity to rebuy the rules and to rebuy the army books again, so I can keep playing this great new game of theirs.
Also the chance to rebuy my army in lightly bigger true-scale versions of the same thing is an opportunity I relish getting to be able to take part in.
Thank you GW.
Again, this is not new.
For reference, see:
2nd Edition.
3rd Edition
4th Edition
5th Edition
6th Edition
7th Edition
and all the various codexes that were made irrelevant with rule changes.
This is not a brand new revelation. What IS a new revelation is free core rules for 8th.
No, it says "new edition" so it must be new.
2017/04/22 15:09:39
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
And how many people buy ALL battletomes? You generally have 1, 2 or 3 armies per player so again it's.
The fact that you mention Mighty Battles in the Age of Sigmar just goes to show how little you know, same going for the realmgate wars, which are fore the campaigns, narrative play, not actual matches play rules.
How many people buy all the Codexes or Army books?
It's more lack of understanding of what I am trying to say. I never once mentioned only matched play, that's your driver for a game. I'm looking at it from a much wider perspective. I'm less interested in playing just straight up equal match ups compared to having a wider hobby experience, so the campaigns etc and knowing the background and the story. If you want that to be included in your hobby then you need all the background books/campaign books and so on. Not everyone just plays/enjoys the game simply for showing how easily they can smash their opponent...
And not everyone is eager to know everything...
And those players that do will be happy to pay less. Deathwatch is one of the cheapest books and it costs 33 euros. AoS cheapest book? 20 euros, and there's quite a few of those. Currently all material for AoS is 650 euros, which is far less in pounds. And trust me, 40k almost doubles the cost in material currently.
2017/04/22 15:10:51
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
Welcome! I hope you have a good time here, in a 
No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester 
The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k 
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