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 davou wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:

Kijamon wrote:

There's also at least two OOP terrain pieces so not really sure what's going on here.

It would be hilarious if that's all the actual contents of the starter box, terrain and everything, sold at regular starter box prices.

The Friend edition also has the man and woman included, so now you really can start playing straight away!

hahaha


"This is GW customer support, how can I help you today?"

"Yeah, my Citadel Buddies (tm) seem to have been miscast, their sprues are kinda of stuck together face to face"

"Oh I'm very sorry to hear that, lets get a replacement shipped out to you right away"

"Thanks"

**background** "OH GOD, IT HURTS. KILL US!"

That started funny but then ended with a mental image from The Thing... urgh

 Freddy Kruger wrote:
I'm really excited.

It feels after so long that GW are at least trying to listen to us, and try to make the game... fun.
I knew coming back into the hobby after 15 years was a good thing!

Wait for an actual release before getting excited there

 Tamereth wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
I don't think that 30k is nearly big enough to be a safety valve in case 40k 8th edition falter.

I agree.

I think Forgeworld are hedging their bets. If this new version of the game takes off they will convert over to it, if not they will release their own core rulebook based on 6th/7th which is compatable with the existing HH books.

But if 8th flops not enough people will switch over to 30K to keep GW afloat. And that's the big gamble GW are taking. If this flops like AoS did on arrival then they are in for some very rough times financially.

I think your giving Forgeworld far too much credit, they're just slow at writing rules as the eternally delayed Fires of Cyraxis showes.


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 thenewgozoku wrote:
What was that about leman Russ and legions on that video;

It's all sound snippets from the preview videos for the Gathering Storm campaign and Wrath of Magnus, there wasn't actually anything new being said.

 Imateria wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
I don't think that 30k is nearly big enough to be a safety valve in case 40k 8th edition falter.

I agree.

I think Forgeworld are hedging their bets. If this new version of the game takes off they will convert over to it, if not they will release their own core rulebook based on 6th/7th which is compatable with the existing HH books.

But if 8th flops not enough people will switch over to 30K to keep GW afloat. And that's the big gamble GW are taking. If this flops like AoS did on arrival then they are in for some very rough times financially.

I think your giving Forgeworld far too much credit, they're just slow at writing rules as the eternally delayed Fires of Cyraxis showes.


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 thenewgozoku wrote:
What was that about leman Russ and legions on that video;

It's all sound snippets from the preview videos for the Gathering Storm campaign and Wrath of Magnus, there wasn't actually anything new being said.

Inferno would have been rushed out to get it out long enough before 8th ed so that it wasn't entirely wasted. Fires of Cyraxes was probably to close and got put on the rewrite heap due to 8th ed, possibly even scrapped altogether (unlikely).

Fez

 Rippy wrote:

LightKing wrote:
So i assume the Nu-Marines are a result of the Imperium having access to Roboute's gene-seed again along with Cawl's new machinations?

As a wise man once said "to assume it to make an ASS out of U and ME".

I don't think anything is changing with the geneseed, it will be purely an armour change. One that may not even be acknowledged.

Didn't Hastings chip in to say "it's not just the armour that's changing"?

 Rippy wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
Maybe it's just my imagination but...

Spoiler:

There's no templates on this image. Starter images always showed them (can attest at least for Dark vengeance.)

More rumours about no templates:

http://natfka.blogspot.com.au/2017/04/40k-8th-edition-templates-look-like.html

Basically that stockists have been warned they will not be refunded for a list of items becoming obsolete, and templates are on there.

Makes sense, no templates in AoS. Templates have become near useless these days between cover, scatter, and the inherent spacing increases of bases for unit cohesion. If they're taking the true "unit" approach to combat, then templates don't make sense any longer.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

LightKing wrote:
So i assume the Nu-Marines are a result of the Imperium having access to Roboute's gene-seed again along with Cawl's new machinations?

As a wise man once said "to assume it to make an ASS out of U and ME".

I don't think anything is changing with the geneseed, it will be purely an armour change. One that may not even be acknowledged.

Didn't Hastings chip in to say "it's not just the armour that's changing"?

If they are more than a new armour mark, the colours and chapter/unit makings make it fairly clear that there closely tied to the existing(Ultra) Marines. Hopefully there background is something more interesting than Astares V2.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
They're still implementing battle shock to 40k aren't they?

Unfortunately that is what they last said a month or 2 ago, and I seriously doubt it would change in that short time.
One of my main dislikes of AoS as a whole is the morale system... but then I also dislike how 99% of the time it might as well not exist in 40k too so swings and roundabouts.

 rollawaythestone wrote:
Massively excited. I'm glad they had the courage to break the Codex cycle and start fresh. There is no other way to achieve more reasonable balance between factions than design them all together in parallel. It's a painful bandaid to pull as we all have new books that won't be used for rules, but it's a potentially awesome step if it leads to more balance between armies.

Could not agree more. I left during 6th after playing exclusively 40k since 1997. I could no longer keep up with what I perceived as bloat and confusion. I have never played AoS but I believe a streamlining of the game and abandoning of codexes will be a good step. I cannot figure out a realistic solution to such a problem outside of a comprehensive overhaul l.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

Didn't Hastings chip in to say "it's not just the armour that's changing"?

Yes, but he also did't think that the leaked pic was the new marine he was talking about...

Yea where are people getting this numarines BS? The leaked image was a fake.

 Quickjager wrote:
Yea where are people getting this numarines BS? The leaked image was a fake.

All of the

 Quickjager wrote:
Yea where are people getting this numarines BS? The leaked image was a fake.

Let me just leave this fake image of a GW employee painting Nu-marines here for you while you catch up.

Skitarii seem to have been rolled into ad mech on the new website. Would absolutely love to see this faction expanded, hopefully its in the pipeline.

 RoboDragon wrote:
Skitarii seem to have been rolled into ad mech on the new website. Would absolutely love to see this faction expanded, hopefully its in the pipeline.

Excellent. It's how they should be.

@ Matt.Kingsley

If it makes morale more important in the game then I'm all in favour of it.

I am liking what I am seeing, so far I can't think of a single negative thing to say. GW have finally realized they need to scrap the rules and listen to community feedback, I am sure it hurts having your rulebooks made invalid, but the health of the game needed it. Plus the fun jabs at themselves show they don't take themselves so seriously anymore. Having a website dedicated to 40k that isn't a store is awesome and continues in the right direction that GW have been going lately. There is a pretty good chance I'll be picking up 40k again if the changes come even close to my expectations. The fact that Skitarii have been rolled into Admech means they have a good chance of being the army I build.

And I just got my codexes. damn.

 rollawaythestone wrote:

 Quickjager wrote:
Yea where are people getting this numarines BS? The leaked image was a fake.

Let me just leave this fake image of a GW employee painting Nu-marines here for you while you catch up.

Those look like just truescaled marines... not fluff abominations like people were talking about.

 Quickjager wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:

 Quickjager wrote:
Yea where are people getting this numarines BS? The leaked image was a fake.

Let me just leave this fake image of a GW employee painting Nu-marines here for you while you catch up.

Those look like just truescaled marines... not fluff abominations like people were talking about.

Well, put on your helmet and brace yourself. The fluff abomination is likely on it's way.

 rollawaythestone wrote:


Well, put on your helmet and brace yourself. The fluff abomination is likely on it's way.

I think we've had so many of those that people just kind of accept them at this point

Warhammer 40,000: Active War Zones wrote: The fortress world of Cadia Prime--once the keystone of the Imperium's defense against the Chaos hordes of the Eye of Terror--was smashed into submission by Abaddon the Despoiler. Its ruined remains still lie at the heart of the Cadian Sector, a talismanic prize that the Imperium would dearly love to reclaim.

Awwwww yeah, sonny jim.

Round two. Ring the bell.

Ding-ding.

BTW:

Anyone seen this art before?

Because that looks like Cawl, with the Cadian 8th's Regimental Standard...

Yeah that's been posted in the recent past. Might even have been in a White Dwarf art feature recently IIRC.

Love it. As for the rules system as a whole including codexes, it was only ever going to have a chance if they scrapped the whole system and wrote new points values and rules. It needed to be quietly taken out to the woods and shot.

However... I'm not that naive to think that i won't be paying for rules in the future, or dealing with those formations that give rules advantages if you buy x of such and such model. But i can maybe hope for some equality between the armies or at least a shakeup. I just love it when people go out and buy crap because it's 'competitive' and then it goes out of style overnight.

As for the Nu-Marines... bring it on, i hope they're roughly in scale with Dark Vengeance chosen. To those that doubt vehicles will increase in size... go take a look at the original model for a Land Raider. They want a completely new world, it's all following the model of what they're doing in AOS.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Yeah that's been posted in the recent past. Might even have been in a White Dwarf art feature recently IIRC.

I feel like a total dork...
It's in "Fall of Cadia".

Cerebrate64 wrote:
And I just got my codexes. damn.

Go get a refund, as you are entitled to as a consumer.

I just realized that this is timed perfectly to coincide with Dawn of War 3. A smart move on GW's part for once. Particularly creating an actual website that helps people understand the lore, universe, and factions, and isn't just one big webcart.

 rollawaythestone wrote:
I just realized that this is timed perfectly to coincide with Dawn of War 3. A smart move on GW's part for once. Particularly creating an actual website that helps people understand the lore, universe, and factions, and isn't just one big webcart.

To be fair, they had all that when Dawn of War 1 came out. GW's website circa 2003-2007 or so was actually pretty good on that sort of thing. Whoever was in charge of that whole dismantling should never be allowed near IT or marketing operations ever again.

Generally, from most tales of ex employees, the internal corporate part of GW has always been something of a complete shitshow outside of the plastics design and manufacturing stuff.

 Rippy wrote:

Cerebrate64 wrote:
And I just got my codexes. damn.

Go get a refund, as you are entitled to as a consumer.

How so? The codexes are no less fit for purpose than they were before this announcement. The fact that a new edition doesn't continue to use existing books doesn't mean that you can't continue to use them for the ruleset for which they were actually written.

 joseph_curwen wrote:
... one of the biggest criticisms of 'AoS,' in the beginning was THEY'RE MAKING AOS JUST LIKE 40K.

That was never one of the biggest criticisms of AoS. I don't think I ever heard anyone make that claim at all. The biggest criticisms of AoS were to do with the lack of points, the stupid rules, Sigmarines, the apparent scale creep, and the killing off WHFB in favour of a completely different game.

So far, we've been told that 8th edition is keeping points costs, we have no evidence one way or another regarding whether or not we'll need to pretend to be the Lord of the Dance in order to successfully cast Pavane of Slaanesh, we've been shown up-scaled Marines on their way, and that FAQ tells us that the game is still 'recognisably still Warhammer 40,000'... which may mean that it plays similarly to the current game, and may just mean that it has Space Marines in it.


So, a bit of a mixed bag, really. All we can really say for sure that they've learnt from the AoS release is that their customers want points costs.

"So, a bit of a mixed bag, really. All we can really say for sure that they've learnt from the AoS release is that their customers want points costs. "

GW wrote the FAQ, I mean come on, they aren't going to intentionally say anything bad about the new system right? So we are taking their word in all their answers. Ultimately units/armies will be less and less supported as new models come out and I am sure there will be rules imported from AoS that folks don't like, especially those that don't care for AoS. GW's response though is its going to be awesome- which it should be, they want to sell us on their new system and take our money.

I don't know if anyone has noticed but in:

https://warhammer40000.com/new-to-40k/collect/

Under the "Collecting to play", we can see

There are datasheets available for every miniature that Games Workshop releases, which will give you an idea of how each unit works on the battlefield.

So, "Warscrolls" confirmed to Warhammer40k.