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 Ginsu33 wrote:

Chikout wrote:


My money is still on them being a subfaction and not a replacement for tactical marines.

Again, their being painted in 3rd Company Colours, which is a battle co.
They are replacements.

It's a bit odd to show them alongside the devastator kit if they're going to replace all of them, though.

 Ginsu33 wrote:

Chikout wrote:


My money is still on them being a subfaction and not a replacement for tactical marines.

Again, their being painted in 3rd Company Colours, which is a battle co.
They are replacements.

Not necessarily. If roboute was introducing a new kind of marine to his armies, would it not make sense to split these new guys into small teams to support each battle company?
Also with the ultramarines having a pretty rough time in the gathering storm you could have new guys being subbed in to make up for lost numbers.

There are plenty of fluffy reasons why you could have new and old marines fighting together.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

It's a bit odd to show them alongside the devastator kit if they're going to replace all of them, though.

It's to show both lines will be supported, I imagine it will take awhile until the Post-heresy Marines fade from existance, and from a lore perspective I figure Chapters will eventually stop recruiting them that way and the Marines will continue to serve until their eventually all KIA.

so if these guys are offically called Supermarines, I hop GW gives us a devestator varient called "Spitfires"

BrianDavion wrote:
so if these guys are offically called Supermarines, I hop GW gives us a devestator varient called "Spitfires"

*badum tsss*

 Ginsu33 wrote:

Chikout wrote:


My money is still on them being a subfaction and not a replacement for tactical marines.

Again, their being painted in 3rd Company Colours, which is a battle co.
They are replacements.

Lol, No
GW doesnt give a feth when lore comes to studio paint schemes. Painting Ultramarines has always been Blue with red trim.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

GW doesnt give a feth when lore comes to studio paint schemes. Painting Ultramarines has always been Blue with Gold trim.

Fixed that for you. They haven't done the red trim in ages.

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

GW doesnt give a feth when lore comes to studio paint schemes. Painting Ultramarines has always been was traditionally Blue with Gold yellow trim.... with red and yellow weapons.

Fixed that for you. They haven't done the red trim in ages.

Fixed better

 alanmckenzie wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

GW doesnt give a feth when lore comes to studio paint schemes. Painting Ultramarines has always been was traditionally Blue with Gold yellow trim.... with red and yellow weapons.

Fixed that for you. They haven't done the red trim in ages.

Fixed better

Youngsters nowadays. I was accused of painting my 'built over 20 years' Ultramarines 2nd Company incorrectly because of yellow trims and red bolter casings. Gold and black is the 'correct' way.

I pointed out to said accuser that some of the Marines had been painted before he was born!


As for the red trim, I'm not sure how 'ages' is strictly defined but wasn't the Sons of Ultramar source book/ paint guide released within the last 18 months or so? That was 3rd Company based.

 alanmckenzie wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

GW doesnt give a feth when lore comes to studio paint schemes. Painting Ultramarines has always been was traditionally Blue with Gold yellow trim.... with red and yellow weapons.

Fixed that for you. They haven't done the red trim in ages.

Fixed better

Don't forget the goblin green base trim!

Funny how "always" so often turns out to be "both years I've been in the hobby" isn't it?

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 alanmckenzie wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

GW doesnt give a feth when lore comes to studio paint schemes. Painting Ultramarines has always been was traditionally Blue with Gold yellow trim.... with red and yellow weapons.

Fixed that for you. They haven't done the red trim in ages.

Fixed better

Don't forget the goblin green base trim!

Funny how "always" so often turns out to be "both years I've been in the hobby" isn't it?

True enough. If you didn't buy your first RTB01s at Dalling Road you're not even trying to look like a crusty!

Drastik Plastik rules!

 Ssgt Carl wrote:

10penceman wrote:
They are not a replacement for marines they are an elite choice or such since Pappa smurf is back think vanguard vets or stern gaurd. It will prob be something to do with access to the Smurfs gene seed so able to produce new upgraded marines or maybe the tech guy also designed new armour for the marines as well.

That's if what we are seeing is true of course.
So basically it's probably a case of ooh look space marines get a brand new unit straight out the gate while us xeno players other than tau get forgotten again :( lol.

I will be sad if this is true. I don't want upgraded space marines that make anyone who isn't a smirf a second rate space marine. I swear if they make them an ultramarines only unit I'll... whine a bunch and them buy them anyways... I'll use them to replace regular marines anyways so whatever...

It's something that I am struggling to get behind from a fluff perspective. I mean, if they can make super space marines with a Primarch material why didn't they do it when the other Primarchs were around. Space Marines are already created directly from their Primarchs genetic material. I guess they add some extra special sauce to the mix to get them super. Will just have to wait and see.

 Pilau Rice wrote:

 Ssgt Carl wrote:

10penceman wrote:
They are not a replacement for marines they are an elite choice or such since Pappa smurf is back think vanguard vets or stern gaurd. It will prob be something to do with access to the Smurfs gene seed so able to produce new upgraded marines or maybe the tech guy also designed new armour for the marines as well.

That's if what we are seeing is true of course.
So basically it's probably a case of ooh look space marines get a brand new unit straight out the gate while us xeno players other than tau get forgotten again :( lol.

I will be sad if this is true. I don't want upgraded space marines that make anyone who isn't a smirf a second rate space marine. I swear if they make them an ultramarines only unit I'll... whine a bunch and them buy them anyways... I'll use them to replace regular marines anyways so whatever...

It's something that I am struggling to get behind from a fluff perspective. I mean, if they can make super space marines with a Primarch material why didn't they do it when the other Primarchs were around. Space Marines are already created directly from their Primarchs genetic material. I guess they add some extra special sauce to the mix to get them super. Will just have to wait and see.

Perhaps it's something to do with the Geneseed itself. With Roberts return, it's the first time anyone has had direct access to fresh Geneseed for x millennia. Perhaps this fresh stock has qualities that have been lost through degradation of time and corruption of the seed over the years.

 Pilau Rice wrote:


It's something that I am struggling to get behind from a fluff perspective. I mean, if they can make super space marines with a Primarch material why didn't they do it when the other Primarchs were around. Space Marines are already created directly from their Primarchs genetic material. I guess they add some extra special sauce to the mix to get them super. Will just have to wait and see.

Maybe Cawl is wiling to go where others wouldn't dare?




I guess we'll find out from WD or when they're released.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Perhaps it's something to do with the Geneseed itself. With Roberts return, it's the first time anyone has had direct access to fresh Geneseed for x millennia. Perhaps this fresh stock has qualities that have been lost through degradation of time and corruption of the seed over the years.

That would be huge ret-con as that would mean HH marines were basically the new super marines that have then degenerated into current marines.

I think this numarine stuff is going to be a lot more low key in terms of background and they'll essentially be just marines. There's not really any point to making a whole new faction of marines who's defining feature is what, a 2mm height difference? Remember that as it stands a basic tactical marine is bigger than most of the imperiums greatest heroes.

Given that they look normal and we know they have what looks to be standard tactical and assault units I think this is just a refresh of the marine line. There may be some fluff justfication for it like all marines are now made centrally on terra and then shipped out but I doubt we'll get the missing link between astartes and custodes. There's a new edition coming out so marines need to be re-released, stormcast are huge so their 40k counterparts need a boost without turning terminators into dreadnoughts and marines need better proportions anyway. wasn't the reason for 32mm bases that they just look better?

I think I'm kinda with you on this.

I think it's just going to be mkIX power armour.

JSG wrote:
I think this numarine stuff is going to be a lot more low key in terms of background and they'll essentially be just marines. There's not really any point to making a whole new faction of marines who's defining feature is what, a 2mm height difference? Remember that as it stands a basic tactical marine is bigger than most of the imperiums greatest heroes.

Given that they look normal and we know they have what looks to be standard tactical and assault units I think this is just a refresh of the marine line. There may be some fluff justfication for it like all marines are now made centrally on terra and then shipped out but I doubt we'll get the missing link between astartes and custodes. There's a new edition coming out so marines need to be re-released, stormcast are huge so their 40k counterparts need a boost without turning terminators into dreadnoughts and marines need better proportions anyway. wasn't the reason for 32mm bases that they just look better?

I agree. My bet is simply new models rather than new type of Marines.

We have seen an upscale in the Starter set Marines for some time now.

The Dark Angels in DV had their postures straightened but they fit in Dark Angels line just fine.

I think people are overreacting to these models that's we are probably only going to find in this 8th edition starter.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:

I think people are overreacting to these models that's we are probably only going to find in this 8th edition starter.

Why on earth would you assume that these models would be only in the starter?

 Crimson wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:

I think people are overreacting to these models that's we are probably only going to find in this 8th edition starter.

Why on earth would you assume that these models would be only in the starter?

Because of Black Reach, Dark Vengeance, and Dark Vengeance v2.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:

Because of Black Reach, Dark Vengeance, and Dark Vengeance v2.

All marines in those kits are similar to multipart kits (apart the Chosen, but that's because GW hates Chaos.)

I am absolutely certain that there will be new multipart kits featuring this new armour design.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:

I think people are overreacting to these models that's we are probably only going to find in this 8th edition starter.

Why on earth would you assume that these models would be only in the starter?

Because of Black Reach, Dark Vengeance, and Dark Vengeance v2.

So you mean sets that are fairly old?

Look at the Age of Sigmar starter set. There's 4 models from that whole set that are unavailable otherwise.
The Bloodsecrator(Chaos guy carrying a standard)
Bloodstoker(Chaos guy with a whip and dagger)
Khorgorath(Chaos monster)
Lord Relictor(Stormcast character with a banner)

I think that whatever's in the starter set, it is likely just to be characters that would remain "exclusive".

Multi part Chaos Cultists and Chaos Chosen... oh GW... why you hate Chaos so much

I cant think of anything that dark vengeance that was available outsidethe box other than the repackaged but same exact cultist snap fit 5 pack.


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My point is that comparing the bow legged cowboy tacticals in BR to the dramatic stance pose Tacticals in DV.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
I cant think of anything that dark vengeance that was available outsidethe box other than the repackaged but same exact cultist snap fit 5 pack.

We're not talking about the exact same models, but the design. Marines and terminators similar to DV ones can be built from available multipart kits. Similarly, even if the starter set Mark X would be snap fit (I hope they aren't but they probably are) there will be multipart kits using the same armour design too.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
I cant think of anything that dark vengeance that was available outsidethe box other than the repackaged but same exact cultist snap fit 5 pack.

Chaos got a hellbrute model, a different one than DV with a variety of weapon options.

tneva82 wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Perhaps it's something to do with the Geneseed itself. With Roberts return, it's the first time anyone has had direct access to fresh Geneseed for x millennia. Perhaps this fresh stock has qualities that have been lost through degradation of time and corruption of the seed over the years.

That would be huge ret-con as that would mean HH marines were basically the new super marines that have then degenerated into current marines.

I kinda like that angle honestly... The modern Imperium was built on the backs of mythic heros that were truly lost to time (Until Rowboat returned!)

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:

I think people are overreacting to these models that's we are probably only going to find in this 8th edition starter.

Why on earth would you assume that these models would be only in the starter?

Because of Black Reach, Dark Vengeance, and Dark Vengeance v2.

So you mean sets that are fairly old?

Look at the Age of Sigmar starter set. There's 4 models from that whole set that are unavailable otherwise.
The Bloodsecrator(Chaos guy carrying a standard)
Bloodstoker(Chaos guy with a whip and dagger)
Khorgorath(Chaos monster)
Lord Relictor(Stormcast character with a banner)

Are they the exact same models or just different versions of the same unit though?

Looking at the sprues from the AoS starter set they seem to be mixed within individual sprues, so I'm guessing the versions that you can buy separately aren't the exact same versions you get in the starter set?

The same way you can buy Night Goblins separately, but you can't buy the exact same Night Goblins that came in the Battle for Skull Pass set.

I think that whatever's in the starter set, it is likely just to be characters that would remain "exclusive".

I mentioned somewhere earlier that I wouldn't be surprised if the models are trickled out in a starter set and then will gradually replace the basic Space Marine models over time (assuming they're replacements rather than a new unit type).

I don't expect them to remain "exclusive" in the sense I'd expect them to be recut on different sprues for individual sale outside the starter set, but you probably won't get the exact same models separately as you get in the starter set, it seems to be GW's style to cast the starter set models differently to how they cast the ones that get boxed up individually.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Are they the exact same models or just different versions of the same unit though?

Looking at the sprues from the AoS starter set they seem to be mixed within individual sprues, so I'm guessing the versions that you can buy separately aren't the exact same versions you get in the starter set?

The same way you can buy Night Goblins separately, but you can't buy the exact same Night Goblins that came in the Battle for Skull Pass set.

Yes and no?

The starter set versions are specific builds of the stuff; a few with some bits that the "real" kits don't have(The Stormcast Retributors and Liberators, for example, have a Prime with one foot up on a rock that the plastic equivalent kits do not have). Mostly it's like the difference between the Dark Vengeance Marines and the plastic Tactical kit; they build a specific way and aren't supplied with other options.

For the most part, barring the unit champions, you can replicate the AoS starter contents fairly easy using the individual boxes. Apparently the CAD was the same for both and they just brought specific posing over for the rank and file.

I think that whatever's in the starter set, it is likely just to be characters that would remain "exclusive".

I mentioned somewhere earlier that I wouldn't be surprised if the models are trickled out in a starter set and then will gradually replace the basic Space Marine models over time (assuming they're replacements rather than a new unit type).

I don't expect them to remain "exclusive" in the sense I'd expect them to be recut on different sprues for individual sale outside the starter set, but you probably won't get the exact same models separately as you get in the starter set, it seems to be GW's style to cast the starter set models differently to how they cast the ones that get boxed up individually.

I think we're more or less saying the same thing.

Although I am still sticking with the "new" Loyalists as being a new breed of Marine rather than replacements. With Age of Sigmar, they actually showed us new Stormcast kits a few weeks before they were available in the form of the Judicators(bowmen) in the promo material. If the Marines were replacements, I would expect to see their Devastator equivalent from the get-go.