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2017/05/06 10:34:44
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies
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Hissing Hybrid Metamorph
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Sorry Calvern, missed that post.
Edit: in future maybe don't post wishes for things in 8th if you don't even know if they are in 7th already.
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2017/05/06 10:36:44
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies
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Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller
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 xttz wrote: Coyote81 wrote:I think some people might not quite get the idea behind these new FoCs. I doubt you can take multiples of them. Need more flyers, the answer isn't take 2 patrol FoCs, no the only answer available will be take one of the bigger FoCs and pay the bigger minimum cost. This is how they balance the game, This was how 5th handled things, I think this is how 8th will as well. I for one look forward to it.
Easier access to more unit types wasn't the most broken aspect of formations, it was the highly varied return on special rules for the same investment. For example:
Tyranids: spend ~1000pts and have it all turn up from reserve on the same turn (with no bonus to the roll)
Marines: spend ~1000pts, get +500pts free!
I'm sure you'll be able to take multiples of the new detachments, but I expect the balancing factor will be the much better bonuses you receive for focusing on larger generic ones. I have no doubt there will be a detachment that lets you field extra flyers or lots of Elites, but you're not going to be getting +9 command points for taking them like you will with a generic Brigade. In turn those command points can be used to level the field (such as re-rolling tricky To Hit rolls on flyers). I'm feeling confident this system will leave us in a much better place than 7E while still being flexible enough for everyone's existing armies.
Well since there are designing this FoC setup so that tournaments can use it as a limiter, I can totally see some tournaments saying things like. 2kpt Battalion Detachment Tournament.
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Inquisitor Jex wrote:Yeah, telling people how this and that is 'garbage' and they should just throw their minis into the trash as they're not as efficient as XYZ.
 Peregrine wrote:So the solution is to lie and pretend that certain options are effective so people will feel better?
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2017/05/06 10:43:23
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies
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Sister Vastly Superior
Germany - Bodensee/Ravensburg area
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(New) infos from the GW responses on Facebook to comments related to the last rule preview:
Q: Will there be faction-exclusive detachments in addition to the general ones, though?
A:Hey Yannik- well, we haven't seen any yet if there are. That would be pretty cool, though!
Q:Currently focused on building a Night Lords detachment using the Raptor Talon formation and a formation of Fallen.
A: Hey Schuyler - you will absolutely be able to use your army, all is good. The Chaos Marines and Fallen will have rules on release, so you can happily use your force. (Also Knights still in).
A: Hey Anon; There will be a Cult focus article on the way soon, so hold out for that!
A: Ha! We love memes! But we cannot leak stuff before it's announced... kinda the point of announcements! Good try, though...
A: Hey Alex- no need to worry at all. You will 100% be able to use your Custodes in the new edition.
A:Hey Mindy - remember, these are just 3 of the 9 detachments, so it doesn't 'mean' anything! Suffice to say, you will 100% be able to use your Harlequin army in the new edition.
A:Will, it's all good dude - Deathwing armies are very much a thing and totally playable.
A: Turn that frown upside down, John.... Dark Eldar are soul-stealing murderous gits in the new edition... trust us!
Q: Do you still pay for dedicated transports or is it free? Not clear in the article.
A: Hey Mark; This is all about the organisation of the unit, not about points as such. No points are mentioned anywhere here, so it's safe to assume you pay points for things if you are in a matched play game.
A: Guys, it's all good- we are not about to take to take away models or not let you use your armies. We can 100% guaruntee you can use any models you can use now in the new edition.
Q: What happens with armies with no HQ? (Harlequins)
A: Hey Carlos - well, we haven't got that information yet... but you will definitely be able to use a pure Harlequins army in the new rules.
A: There are 12 game-wide detachments in the new rules. If there are any more, we haven't seen anything about them yet...
Also focus previews for all the factions coming it seems.
Have to say that the GW Facebook guy is pretty good at reacting to questions, went through at least 50 responses.
Also Foley confirmed on twitter that there's only 12 detachement charts in the beginning, not 14.
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Dark it was, and dire of form
the beast that laid them low
Hrothgar's sharpened frost-forged blade
to deal a fatal blow
he stalked and hunted day and night
and came upon it's lair
With sword and shield Hrothgar fought
and earned the name of slayer
- The saga of Hrothgar the Beastslayer |
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2017/05/06 10:48:30
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Only 14... but not 14? Wha...?
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2017/05/06 10:51:09
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies
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Sister Vastly Superior
Germany - Bodensee/Ravensburg area
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Dark it was, and dire of form
the beast that laid them low
Hrothgar's sharpened frost-forged blade
to deal a fatal blow
he stalked and hunted day and night
and came upon it's lair
With sword and shield Hrothgar fought
and earned the name of slayer
- The saga of Hrothgar the Beastslayer |
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2017/05/06 10:52:49
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies
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Liche Priest Hierophant
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> 3 of the 9 detachments > 12 game-wide detachments Make up your mind intern  . Yes I know they probably meant "we've seen 3, there's 9 unspoiled". So now we have a game dev saying 14 and a doubling/tripling down on 12. I wonder which is correct... EDIT: Ah, so Pete must have made a mistake in the Q&A or 2 have been removed since then.
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2017/05/06 10:53:05
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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Says 9 up there?
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2017/05/06 10:55:38
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies
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Sister Vastly Superior
Germany - Bodensee/Ravensburg area
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9 + the ones they have already shown (3).
Pete is the head of the rules department, so his number is going to be correct.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2017/05/06 10:57:24
Dark it was, and dire of form
the beast that laid them low
Hrothgar's sharpened frost-forged blade
to deal a fatal blow
he stalked and hunted day and night
and came upon it's lair
With sword and shield Hrothgar fought
and earned the name of slayer
- The saga of Hrothgar the Beastslayer |
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2017/05/06 11:00:23
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies
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Hissing Hybrid Metamorph
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Did they just 100% guarantee that OOP models that currently have rules will still have rules? Automatically Appended Next Post: Also thanks Ragnar, will add to OP Automatically Appended Next Post: Faction focus articles incoming!
 Automatically Appended Next Post: Also look a Martin's cringey reply at the end there
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2017/05/06 11:42:57
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies / FB Updates
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Really how well it works depends on how well they structure the units. Either the game is fun if one side has 20 tanks or it isn't, and if it isn't they should block that option outside of pre agreed play. If you can get troop choices for 50 points and Lords of War/tank squadrons at 800 points both for a single "slot" in each case then it is a pointless exercise in any case. I do like that they have split off transports - hopefully that means less scoring weirdness.
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2017/05/06 11:43:42
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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 Rippy wrote:Did they just 100% guarantee that OOP models that currently have rules will still have rules?
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also thanks Ragnar, will add to OP
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Faction focus articles incoming!
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also look a Martin's cringey reply at the end there
Heh, I thought there would be faction specific articles. I hope they are soon.
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What I have
 ~4100
 ~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
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2017/05/06 11:47:50
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies
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Master Engineer with a Brace of Pistols
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Faction focus articles? This just made my day!
I am happy to see formations go, but I'm wondering if some of their elements could be retained within the dataslates of the units (and appropriately pointed too). Like, will a space marine landspeeder be able to nominate one enemy unit within 18" and los to be the target of a more accurate whirlwind strike? The keyword system is perfect for things like this.
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2017/05/06 12:00:16
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 Ragnar Blackmane wrote:(New) infos from the GW responses on Facebook to comments related to the last rule preview:
Q: Will there be faction-exclusive detachments in addition to the general ones, though?
A:Hey Yannik- well, we haven't seen any yet if there are. That would be pretty cool, though!
Q:Currently focused on building a Night Lords detachment using the Raptor Talon formation and a formation of Fallen.
A: Hey Schuyler - you will absolutely be able to use your army, all is good. The Chaos Marines and Fallen will have rules on release, so you can happily use your force. (Also Knights still in).
A: Hey Anon; There will be a Cult focus article on the way soon, so hold out for that!
A: Ha! We love memes! But we cannot leak stuff before it's announced... kinda the point of announcements! Good try, though...
A: Hey Alex- no need to worry at all. You will 100% be able to use your Custodes in the new edition.
A:Hey Mindy - remember, these are just 3 of the 9 detachments, so it doesn't 'mean' anything! Suffice to say, you will 100% be able to use your Harlequin army in the new edition.
A:Will, it's all good dude - Deathwing armies are very much a thing and totally playable.
A: Turn that frown upside down, John.... Dark Eldar are soul-stealing murderous gits in the new edition... trust us!
Q: Do you still pay for dedicated transports or is it free? Not clear in the article.
A: Hey Mark; This is all about the organisation of the unit, not about points as such. No points are mentioned anywhere here, so it's safe to assume you pay points for things if you are in a matched play game.
A: Guys, it's all good- we are not about to take to take away models or not let you use your armies. We can 100% guaruntee you can use any models you can use now in the new edition.
Q: What happens with armies with no HQ? (Harlequins)
A: Hey Carlos - well, we haven't got that information yet... but you will definitely be able to use a pure Harlequins army in the new rules.
A: There are 12 game-wide detachments in the new rules. If there are any more, we haven't seen anything about them yet...
Also focus previews for all the factions coming it seems.
Have to say that the GW Facebook guy is pretty good at reacting to questions, went through at least 50 responses.
Also Foley confirmed on twitter that there's only 12 detachement charts in the beginning, not 14.
It's amazing how bad they are at actually being reassuring.
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2017/05/06 12:08:25
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies / FB Updates
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Dakka Veteran
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They need something to stretch it out til June 10thish.
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2017/05/06 12:14:44
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies / FB Updates
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I agree to that guy. Would love an option to make a legit battle forged army just from Riptides, FW Tides and KX Titan 
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2017/05/06 12:25:13
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies / FB Updates
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Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller
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 CragHack wrote:I agree to that guy. Would love an option to make a legit battle forged army just from Riptides, FW Tides and KX Titan
They'll have the 3 different play styles that Age of Sigmar has,. so you could do a narrative or Open play game against someone willing to submit themselves to a beat of that type. Matched play will have specifics rules to prevent potential lopsided games. I.E. points and FoCs
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Inquisitor Jex wrote:Yeah, telling people how this and that is 'garbage' and they should just throw their minis into the trash as they're not as efficient as XYZ.
Peregrine wrote:So the solution is to lie and pretend that certain options are effective so people will feel better?
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2017/05/06 12:43:36
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies / FB Updates
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Courageous Beastmaster
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A good rebalance so everything can hurt everything should also help tone down spammy lists. Or at laest make them mor fun to play against.
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2017/05/06 12:50:32
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies / FB Updates
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Warp-Screaming Noise Marine
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I think it would be hilarious if they dont do a space marine faction focus article. But thats more schadenfreude than anything else.
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2017/05/06 12:59:32
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies / FB Updates
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Dakka Veteran
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Heh.. if they do the factions on the website they can waste 26 of the 34 days til June 10th!
Ok, that might be stretching it a little bit.
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2017/05/06 13:03:55
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies / FB Updates
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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Are they going to retain all the Relics, warlord traits and chapter specific rules for space Marines and other races?
I loved the new space marine chapter traits and rules for Raven Guard that came with 6th and 7th ed, and I've been converting models to use the raven guard relics.
I won't be happy if all that is gone.
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2017/05/06 13:06:00
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies / FB Updates
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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macluvin wrote:I think it would be hilarious if they dont do a space marine faction focus article. But thats more schadenfreude than anything else.
More like:
- Imperium focus
- Astra Militarium Focus
- AdMech Focus
- Space Marine Focus
- Black Templar Focus
- Blood Angel Focus
- Dark Angel Focus
- Ultramarines Focus (Part 1)
- Ultramarines Focus (Part 2)
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- Eldar Focus
- Chaos Focus
- Tyranids Focus
- The Rest Focus
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2017/05/06 13:07:06
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies / FB Updates
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Sister Vastly Superior
Germany - Bodensee/Ravensburg area
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Youn wrote:They need something to stretch it out til June 10thish.
They'll have 16 faction previews at least and if they really need more time they could even do one for every tiny faction with a Codex (e.g. Scions or Skitarii), which would easily give them... 23 days or something? I mean the loyalist Space Marine chapters with their own codex (not even counting GKs or DW) alone would be 5 days.
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Dark it was, and dire of form
the beast that laid them low
Hrothgar's sharpened frost-forged blade
to deal a fatal blow
he stalked and hunted day and night
and came upon it's lair
With sword and shield Hrothgar fought
and earned the name of slayer
- The saga of Hrothgar the Beastslayer |
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2017/05/06 13:10:25
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies / FB Updates
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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I asked Pete Foley on Twitter if there were going to be FOCs with no HQ and, while he didn't respond directly, he did like the tweet. So...maybe?
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2017/05/06 13:15:23
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies / FB Updates
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Ultramarine Terminator with Assault Cannon
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I have to admit I'm really concerned that GW isn't calling this 8th edition.
GW calls it "'New' 40K". Fact!
I thought of another 'new' branding tag that was a total blunder...
Anyone remember "The New iPad"? It stuck around for all of 3 months before Apple had to can it (no pun intended, but that kinda funny).
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2017/05/06 13:15:36
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies / FB Updates
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Hissing Hybrid Metamorph
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 casvalremdeikun wrote:I asked Pete Foley on Twitter if there were going to be FOCs with no HQ and, while he didn't respond directly, he did like the tweet. So...maybe?
Will add to the OP as speculation, thanks Automatically Appended Next Post: I never noticed that oni, they never said 8th I don't think.
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2017/05/06 13:24:44
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies / FB Updates
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Rippy wrote: casvalremdeikun wrote:I asked Pete Foley on Twitter if there were going to be FOCs with no HQ and, while he didn't respond directly, he did like the tweet. So...maybe?
Will add to the OP as speculation, thanks
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I never noticed that oni, they never said 8th I don't think.
Whoops, I made a mistake. I asked if there would be formations without a Troops requirement and he liked that. Sorry!
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5250 pts
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Deathwatch: 1500 pts
Imperial Knights: 375 pts
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2017/05/06 13:42:29
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies / FB Updates
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Liche Priest Hierophant
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 oni wrote:I have to admit I'm really concerned that GW isn't calling this 8th edition.
Don't be - GW didn't call 6th and 7th 6th and 7th either.
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2017/05/06 13:44:38
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies / FB Updates
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Hissing Hybrid Metamorph
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casvalremdeikun wrote: Rippy wrote: casvalremdeikun wrote:I asked Pete Foley on Twitter if there were going to be FOCs with no HQ and, while he didn't respond directly, he did like the tweet. So...maybe?
Will add to the OP as speculation, thanks
Automatically Appended Next Post:
I never noticed that oni, they never said 8th I don't think.
Whoops, I made a mistake. I asked if there would be formations without a Troops requirement and he liked that.
No worries updated OP with troops instead of HQ
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2017/05/06 13:48:54
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies / FB Updates
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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 Matt.Kingsley wrote: oni wrote:I have to admit I'm really concerned that GW isn't calling this 8th edition.
Don't be - GW didn't call 6th and 7th 6th and 7th either.
Wizards of the Coast did much the same thing with Dungeons and Dragons Fifth Edition. None of the books explicitly have 5th edition on the front cover (the back cover does have fifth edition stated, but not as a proper noun). During development they called it D&D Next or just Next. GW seems to be taking a page out of their book.
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2017/05/06 13:51:41
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition - Summary (all info in OP) 5th May 17 - Battle Forged Armies / FB Updates
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Mighty Vampire Count
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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:Are they going to retain all the Relics, warlord traits and chapter specific rules for space Marines and other races?
I loved the new space marine chapter traits and rules for Raven Guard that came with 6th and 7th ed, and I've been converting models to use the raven guard relics.
I won't be happy if all that is gone.
Maybe maybe not - it might be not immediately or it might be in the Grand Alliance books.
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