Spoletta wrote:
Or they are just that mobile. They have short ranged weapons, so it's not that big of an issue and makes them interesting to play. They will hardly be able to run after shooting, because now you run in the movement phase.

 Kanluwen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
They tend to be on elite units and are used to rep up things that used to be similar to Hammer of Wrath attacks.

I think it's entirely appropriate for Mandiblasters to do them.

Don\t think mandiblasters has ever been described as making attacks capable of punching effortlessly through titans armour...

I don't think it ever said that it caused Mortal Wounds on Titans.

For all you know, Mandiblasters cause Mortal Wounds in combats against things with the Infantry or Monstrous Creature keywords.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 docdoom77 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 docdoom77 wrote:
I was disappointed to see Battle Focus on the list. What's the point of move values if you keep adding weird movement abilities?

Hopefully it at least has a drawback. Like can shoot after advancing but shooting is at -1.

The drawback could be that it only applies to units with the "Infantry" keyword.

That's not a drawback. Only infantry units can use it now. If you give Eldar a higher Move value AND let them run and shoot freely every turn, that sounds like just too much. But, my money is on it having an actual drawback of some kind.

Don't War Walkers and Jetbikes have Battle Focus?

I don't have a copy of the current Eldar book handy; could have swore they did.

tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
They tend to be on elite units and are used to rep up things that used to be similar to Hammer of Wrath attacks.

I think it's entirely appropriate for Mandiblasters to do them.

Don\t think mandiblasters has ever been described as making attacks capable of punching effortlessly through titans armour...

I don't think it ever said that it caused Mortal Wounds on Titans.

Ah yes that makes less bloat if they start separating against what each weapon causes mortal wounds.

Furthermore mandiblaster has _never_ been described as being particularly powerful attack. It's not hyper terminator killer either!

For all you know, Mandiblasters cause Mortal Wounds in combats against things with the Infantry or Monstrous Creature keywords.

Which would still be quite a spam. Lots of infantry etc in there.

Mortal wound is simply awful mechanism. Just look at AOS where it's race between mortal wounds and hordes. Tougher infantry are in deep trouble when mortal wounds just ignores all saves(and in 40k also T)

tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
They tend to be on elite units and are used to rep up things that used to be similar to Hammer of Wrath attacks.

I think it's entirely appropriate for Mandiblasters to do them.

Don\t think mandiblasters has ever been described as making attacks capable of punching effortlessly through titans armour...

I don't think it ever said that it caused Mortal Wounds on Titans.

Ah yes that makes less bloat if they start separating against what each weapon causes mortal wounds.

Furthermore mandiblaster has _never_ been described as being particularly powerful attack. It's not hyper terminator killer either!

For all you know, Mandiblasters cause Mortal Wounds in combats against things with the Infantry or Monstrous Creature keywords.

Which would still be quite a spam. Lots of infantry etc in there.

Mortal wound is simply awful mechanism. Just look at AOS where it's race between mortal wounds and hordes. Tougher infantry are in deep trouble when mortal wounds just ignores all saves(and in 40k also T)

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Oh boy, here we go, a save that ignores wounds that ignore saves that ignore wounds that ignore saves.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:


My point was that doing mortal wounds doesn't seem to fit at all with what mandiblasters are. Are they supposed to punch effortlessly through terminator armor? Or just as effortlessly through anything regardless of toughness and armor? It seems like they just gave them mortal wounds to save the effort of thinking of a rule that made sense.

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BUT, are the point costs cropped out of the datasheet or are there going to be multiple versions? Might get bloaty..
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The Haruspex definitely has a points value, but we haven't revealed it yet. As such,we can't mention it yet, despite your obviously adorable face.

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Can we expect to see some info on the inquisition? Really want to know how they will be in 8th, like are they a full force on their own, or are they more of an add-on to other armies?
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First look at melee weapons too. No range - so who gets to fight in cc?
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I'm assuming that psychic powers will be assigned from a book via keyword as I see no other reference there?
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tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
They tend to be on elite units and are used to rep up things that used to be similar to Hammer of Wrath attacks.

I think it's entirely appropriate for Mandiblasters to do them.

Don\t think mandiblasters has ever been described as making attacks capable of punching effortlessly through titans armour...

I don't think it ever said that it caused Mortal Wounds on Titans.

Ah yes that makes less bloat if they start separating against what each weapon causes mortal wounds.

Furthermore mandiblaster has _never_ been described as being particularly powerful attack. It's not hyper terminator killer either!

Mandiblasters are an Eldar weapon system in the form of pods built into either side of the helmets of Striking Scorpions. Known also as the Scorpion's Sting or the Sting of the Scorpion, Mandiblasters are neurally activated weapons which fire a hail of deadly metallic shards. These shards, while capable of cutting and lacerating flesh, are not particularly powerful alone; they act as a conductor to a follow-up intense laser burst. The laser flashes the slivers of metal into plasma, which can cause significant injury or death. Because of the neural activation of the device the accuracy is often very high and it makes an effective pre-combat rank thinner. However its range is very short, a meter or two at most, making it a weapon geared for close quarters combat.

For all you know, Mandiblasters cause Mortal Wounds in combats against things with the Infantry or Monstrous Creature keywords.

Which would still be quite a spam. Lots of infantry etc in there.

Mortal wound is simply awful mechanism. Just look at AOS where it's race between mortal wounds and hordes.

Tougher infantry are in deep trouble when mortal wounds just ignores all saves(and in 40k also T)

Daedalus81 wrote:
They punch through any armor. We don't know what the strength of the shot it. It could even be S3.

tneva82 wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:
They punch through any armor. We don't know what the strength of the shot it. It could even be S3.

So far neither in AOS nor in what we have seen in 40k has mortal wound required to wound...IT's automatic wound with no save.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Hmmm...

Striking Scorpions particularly are just vicious combatants that will strike fear into your opponent and disrupt their battle plans with the Masters of Stealth special rule and their Mandiblasters softening up enemy units at the beginning of the Fight phase by dishing out mortal wounds.

Mortal Wounds - will they show up too often, ala AoS?

They tend to be on elite units and are used to rep up things that used to be similar to Hammer of Wrath attacks.

I think it's entirely appropriate for Mandiblasters to do them.

Howling Banshees get a new lease on life too. These girls are now faster than almost any other Infantry unit in the game, and nearly always get to go first in the Fight phase even if they didn’t charge.

And of course, there will always be 'exceptions to rules' and 'exceptions to exceptions', but will they show up too much as well?

"Exceptions to exceptions" are, shockingly, not that common in AoS.

I really don't think the author of the article quite understands what "a new lease on life" means though. Howling Banshees were still used pretty heavily in 7th; what with the Banshee Mask negating Overwatch(and against Tau; Supporting Fire).

 Kanluwen wrote:
Or it could be that Titans have rules we haven't seen yet. Things like "This unit ignores Mortal Wounds from weapons with a certain Strength value".
There's a whole ton of unknown variables, but you know that.

Mandiblasters are an Eldar weapon system in the form of pods built into either side of the helmets of Striking Scorpions. Known also as the Scorpion's Sting or the Sting of the Scorpion, Mandiblasters are neurally activated weapons which fire a hail of deadly metallic shards. These shards, while capable of cutting and lacerating flesh, are not particularly powerful alone; they act as a conductor to a follow-up intense laser burst. The laser flashes the slivers of metal into plasma, which can cause significant injury or death. Because of the neural activation of the device the accuracy is often very high and it makes an effective pre-combat rank thinner. However its range is very short, a meter or two at most, making it a weapon geared for close quarters combat.

You were saying?

Did I miss them saying Mandiblasters hit and wound automatically?

tneva82 wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:
They punch through any armor. We don't know what the strength of the shot it. It could even be S3.

So far neither in AOS nor in what we have seen in 40k has mortal wound required to wound...IT's automatic wound with no save.

Tyran wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
mandiblasters do mortal wounds??? Never imagined them as being specialized anti-titan weapons.

You want large amounts of multi-damage for anti-titan weapons. Mortal Wounds could very well be useless against titans if they deal single damage just by the sheer amount of wounds titans will have.

tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Or it could be that Titans have rules we haven't seen yet. Things like "This unit ignores Mortal Wounds from weapons with a certain Strength value".
There's a whole ton of unknown variables, but you know that.

Seeing mortal wounds don't have S value that's real helpful...

Mandiblasters are an Eldar weapon system in the form of pods built into either side of the helmets of Striking Scorpions. Known also as the Scorpion's Sting or the Sting of the Scorpion, Mandiblasters are neurally activated weapons which fire a hail of deadly metallic shards. These shards, while capable of cutting and lacerating flesh, are not particularly powerful alone; they act as a conductor to a follow-up intense laser burst. The laser flashes the slivers of metal into plasma, which can cause significant injury or death. Because of the neural activation of the device the accuracy is often very high and it makes an effective pre-combat rank thinner. However its range is very short, a meter or two at most, making it a weapon geared for close quarters combat.

You were saying?

Don't see anything in that that says mandiblasters easily ignore all T and armour values without issue...

Did I miss them saying Mandiblasters hit and wound automatically?

No hit but just FYI. Mortal wounds so far that we know from AOS and from 40k previews don't roll "to wound". They just cause wound if they hit. You have any reason(apart from your GW can do no wrong attitude) to believe 40k will work differently to AOS and have 2 ways to cause mortal wounds? One that ignores T(definitely exists) and one that doesn't.

 nintura wrote:

BWAHAHAHA. Banshee's being used in 7th. Take that to the Eldar FB group and tell them that. Be prepared for some salt and to be laughed out of the room however.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
So much for the hopes of Eldar being toned down to be on balance with everyone else

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
So much for the hopes of Eldar being toned down to be on balance with everyone else

tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
They tend to be on elite units and are used to rep up things that used to be similar to Hammer of Wrath attacks.

I think it's entirely appropriate for Mandiblasters to do them.

Don\t think mandiblasters has ever been described as making attacks capable of punching effortlessly through titans armour...

That article mentioned mortal wounds tad too much. Game gets worse the more those are spammed.

 nintura wrote:
New Eldar stuff up on the community site. The wailing doom is a melta melee weapon. Jesus.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/11/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-eldar/

 Yodhrin wrote:

 nintura wrote:
New Eldar stuff up on the community site. The wailing doom is a melta melee weapon. Jesus.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/11/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-eldar/

Oh goddamnit, they are going to try and push "Aeldari" as a replacement for Eldar.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
So much for the hopes of Eldar being toned down to be on balance with everyone else

Daedalus81 wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
So much for the hopes of Eldar being toned down to be on balance with everyone else

Pick one:

1) These articles are puff pieces with no information.
2) The way they word this means everything is broken!

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
So much for the hopes of Eldar being toned down to be on balance with everyone else

Pick one:

1) These articles are puff pieces with no information.
2) The way they word this means everything is broken!

If everything is broken then the game will finally be balanced.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
I just realized that if those force weapon profiles hole true for everyone else, then Grey Knights became even more lethal in assault than they already were...