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Very disappointed by the introduction of these Primaris Marines; there was not, nor has there ever been, a need for yet another marine+.

While I do really like the models, and they should look great as reinforcements to existing/new chapters, I just don't see the point of them at all rules-wise. If anything, all marines should be upgraded to 2 wounds as standard to better represent their fluff, with other elite armies receiving different boosts (e.g- dodges for Eldar for example), with terminators on 3 or 4, obviously with a boost in cost to compensate.

Instead it's looking a lot like we're going to finally get two wounds on terminators, and it still won't really distinguish them enough because now there's a special new marine squad competing with them.


If anything I'll probably be using all of my existing marines as Primaris Marines, assuming there are unit types that fit them. Otherwise I'm just not very happy about this. I mean, we've got Custodes coming into regular use FFS, the transhuman market has been well and truly saturated for years as it is.

What about some new Astra Militarum infantry kits? Finally updating Sisters of Battle/Ecclesiarchy?

Nope, not happy about this at all. Reinforcements for marines? Fine, but not this. Just doesn't sit right with me at all.

Sigmarines have come to 40K, and they are p@#$ed!!!

I don't even know the extent of the full circle of life that is to come, but maybe it might be time to pull out the Dark Millennium boxed set, again.

Nice bolterlasrifle/sniperthingies, by the way...

 Latro_ wrote:
they can't take special or heavy weapons XD hahahahhhhaa

I'm curious to see if they'll be following Horus Heresy Legion style building rules where you take Specials in a separate squad, and to get that you need to have taken a normal squad first.

I'm cool with these Numarines...

For Robby, for the Emprah!

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Only 5 in squad. Interesting.

Well it would be odd for these ultra marines to have horde bonus and any unit without some sort of horde rule to make up for it is better off MSU'ing anyway.

 Oaka wrote:
We all know that baby marines will win out in the end.

Hahahaha I thought I was the only one with the same thought.

 warboss wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
they can't take special or heavy weapons XD

hahahahhhhaa

I would point out before you chuckle too hard that your post ONLY applies to the one single squad entry shown so far. I have zero doubt that GW will roll otu devastator, assault marine, and terminator equivalents over the next year.

Probably sooner than that since they already hinted. Maybe even at the launch other versions are available.

I'm just glad the numarines are not their own faction and will be incorporated into all existing chapters. Anyone else dying to know what a space wolf numarine would look like?

Shadow Walker wrote:They can be just like HH marines. Bolterines (Intercessors), Plasmarines etc. etc. RG is definitely longing for old times

Yeah, those heads would make great Alphariuses.

JohnU wrote:More importantly, Rainbow Warriors are back, baby!

Then thats my next army. Thanks!

 Thud wrote:
Anyone seen this yet?

I honestly like how these guys look, except for one thing...they're still forcing me to drill out the barrels. Though their shoulders look the same size as the old marines. So I wonder if the upgrade kits shoulderpads/those from the dark angels/blood angels kits would fit on their shoulders? That makes it easy to customize them to fit whichever chapter they become a part of.

 Galas wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 Thud wrote:
Anyone seen this yet?

Im starting to guess that it will be a separate marine squad. so new marines will have there own tac,ass,dev squad variants. also dat plasma gun looks awesome.

Man im cheesed. i like EVERYTHING about the new models except the knee pads

it was almost perfect. ffs i need to figure out a way to convert it or something.

Agree. Even if the helmet is not my favourite, the models and weapons look awesome. I'm totally buy a box or two to run as "Not-NewMarines" in my Inquisition detachment with Celestine, Greyfax and Tempestus Scions.

How can you hate the MkIV faceplate?

In the Starter Set image you could see Assault Nu-marines, so yes, different Nu-marines types are a thing at the launch of 8th.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 Thud wrote:
Anyone seen this yet?

Im starting to guess that it will be a separate marine squad. so new marines will have there own tac,ass,dev squad variants. also dat plasma gun looks awesome.

Man im cheesed. i like EVERYTHING about the new models except the knee pads

it was almost perfect. ffs i need to figure out a way to convert it or something.

Agree. Even if the helmet is not my favourite, the models and weapons look awesome. I'm totally buy a box or two to run as "Not-NewMarines" in my Inquisition detachment with Celestine, Greyfax and Tempestus Scions.

How can you hate the MkIV faceplate?

Jumping from "Is not my favourite" to "hate" is a big leap, don't you think?

 buddha wrote:
I'm just glad the numarines are not their own faction and will be incorporated into all existing chapters. Anyone else dying to know what a space wolf numarine would look like?

But there will also be new chapters made exclusively from Primaris boys.

 Thargrim wrote:

 Thud wrote:
Anyone seen this yet?

I honestly like how these guys look, except for one thing...they're still forcing me to drill out the barrels. Though their shoulders look the same size as the old marines. So I wonder if the upgrade kits shoulderpads/those from the dark angels/blood angels kits would fit on their shoulders? That makes it easy to customize them to fit whichever chapter they become a part of.

We will forever be drilling out barrels unless they make all the weapons into two part assemblies.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Looks like they're just slightly tougher Marines for a cost bump. Looks like they'll be cheaper than Rubric Marines though (power 6 to the Rubric's 8 for 5 models).

Power 4 or 5 for a tactical squad perhaps?

5 Rubrics and 5 Intercessors are actually the same power level- the base Rubric squad is +2 due to the sorcerer, I think.

I'm pretty sure they've already baselined a tactical squad at 5, haven't they?

So someone is once again trying to synthesize new marine chapters? Get ready for Cursed Founding 2: Heretical Boogaloo!

Ok math fun time!

A PL8 min squad of Rubrics vs a PL6 squad of Intercessors.

Conclusion: Obviously Rubrics are a hard counter to such a unit (as expected).

-Rubrics do more damage, but Intercessors will lose attacks more slowly.
-Intercessors will have a slight rapid fire range benefit.
-Melee is about even with the intercessors having more pistols to shoot with (in the shooting phase), but the staff weighing in heavily against 2 wound models.

Note: numbers presume no invulnerable.

long range
Rubrics: 0.89 wounds Primaris: 0.28 wounds

short range

Rubrics: 2 wounds Primaris: 0.56 wounds //all boltguns Primaris: 0.55 //4 boltguns and 1 krak Primaris: 0.56 //4 boltguns and 1 frag Primaris: 1.1 //all krak Primaris: 0.65 //all frag

melee

Rubrics: 1.2 wounds Rubrics: 0.22 wounds //pistol Primaris: 1.22 Primaris: 0.28 //pistols

Hey, if things go out of hands, there will aaaaalways be Horus Heresy to play with none of these numarines

 Haravikk wrote:
Very disappointed by the introduction of these Primaris Marines; there was not, nor has there ever been, a need for yet another marine+..

Really?

Forge World (and BL) basically lived the last 5 years from pulling random, "unneeded" Elite-variants of Space Marines from Deathshroud to Phoenix Guard to Cataphractii to Justaerin to Immortals to Suzerain to Firedrakes to Tartaros to Deythan to Rampagers to Palatine Blades to Sehkmet to whatever out of their collective behinds.

And they certainly haven't found a bottom of that particular demand yet. Quite the opposite, producing some FW highlights that actually made the rare jump to plastic.

Somebody will have found those sales numbers eventually.

Claiming there is no demand for different "Elite Space Marines" when any one of 20 or so in the FW sortiment apparently outsells everything they ever bothered to try for, say, Fantasy, taken together, seems a bit out of touch with what people buy and play out there.

Interesting that Frags are also D6, when we all kinda assumed small blasts would all be D3 after the battlecannon came out.

Wonder how consistent that will be across the board?

Their faq on the website said they would be receiving new units and tanks. So this is the start of a new faction or replacement.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Haravikk wrote:
Very disappointed by the introduction of these Primaris Marines; there was not, nor has there ever been, a need for yet another marine+..

Really?

Forge World (and BL) basically lived the last 5 years from pulling random, "unneeded" Elite-variants of Space Marines from Deathshroud to Phoenix Guard to Cataphractii to Justaerin to Immortals to Suzerain to Firedrakes to Tartaros to Deythan to Rampagers to Palatine Blades to Sehkmet to whatever out of their collective behinds.

And they certainly haven't found a bottom of that particular demand yet. Quite the opposite, producing some FW highlights that actually made the rare jump to plastic.

Somebody will have found those sales numbers eventually.

Claiming there is no demand for different "Elite Space Marines" when any one of 20 or so in the FW sortiment apparently outsells everything they ever bothered to try for, say, Fantasy, taken together, seems a bit out of touch with what people buy and play out there.

Three of the types of marine you named are just bodyguards. Not really unjustified.

 Galas wrote:
Guys have you seen the new Starter box for the Primaris Marines? They look awesome!

Spoiler:

...

Har, har, very funny.
Actually I'm going to laugh so hard at all the chapters that accept these guys into their ranks only to have every single one of them turn to chaos...

RG will then be all like "So THIS is how the Emperor felt with his greatest creation turned against him. CRAP! I reeeeeally should have seen this coming..."

I really like them going with a HH look. HH armours are the best armour marks. I hope they've got some super-Tartaros armour up their sleeves as well.

I referenced soldier weeks ago when they first started mentioning nu-marines. Also what they aren't telling you is that they are going to focus on making nu-marine models from here on out.

It's only a matter of time until the old are cast off and outdated. If you should find the humans treatment of you deplorable the Tau Empire would be willing to give you the vengeance you seek. Since you will find no justice when your just an outdated product line.

Edit
I don't like them. One bit. From a lore perspective or a model perspective. They are well made, but I'm not much of a marine fan. I wonder how the Deathwatch will think of them.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:


Three of the types of marine you named are just bodyguards. Not really unjustified.

So random fluff change makes all the difference for Space-Marine-Plus-Unit-No.-524?

Think of them and use them as Guilliman's (or random Chapter Master's) bodyguards in your Space Marine army than.

Problem solved.

 Gamgee wrote:
Since you will find no justice when your just an outdated product line.

So now Marines are shoving in on Sisters territory?

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Since you will find no justice when your just an outdated product line.

So now Marines are shoving in on Sisters territory?

Yep. Oh it will start fine. Maybe... one or two final releases here and there. Then a slowing of updates. Then not replacing models that sell out or need updating ect. It will be a slow one, but inevitable. They'll still be around in the fluff to get shown up by the new-marines. I mean the whole point is the nu-marines are saving them. So space marines are demoted to IG tier.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 NivlacSupreme wrote:


Three of the types of marine you named are just bodyguards. Not really unjustified.

So random fluff change makes all the difference for Space-Marine-Plus-Unit-No.-524?

Think of them and use them as Guilliman's (or random Chapter Master's) bodyguards in your Space Marine army than.

Problem solved.

What you mean you never knew about the 20 year of fluff that protrubo of the iron warriors made tinker toy robots as body guard? And they just crammed those crappy 1980s sifi war of the world robots in there because they wanted to sell stuff that was cast by mistake?

I wonder if GW losing the Chapter House Studios lawsuit all those years ago has played a large part in the creation of these. If they sell them as Primius Marines that is a new name they can trademark and protect.