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 streetsamurai wrote:


Custodes only have one kit. we already know that there will be numerous kits of numarines, most of them being direct port from the old marine range (dreadnought, tanks, assault marines)

hmm was miss remembering that the extra kits was actually from FW

ether way im expecting them to just be a supplement. No on knows exactly whats going to happen but it would be foolish of GW just trash all there old marine kits. at least not until the last mold degrades beyond use.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

I think you are missing the point that a lot of us see this as a reboot. They have no need to replace everything from astartes to primaris in exact form and function. They are resetting space marines to take them in a different direction. Which means they are not 1 to 1'ing every old unit to a new scale.

thats the thing though i dont see it as a full reboot. definitely progressing and adding to the story. maybe in warhammer 50k all old marines will be gone but i highly doubt it will happen anytime in the next decade

 Latro_ wrote:

Youn wrote:
You will note his answer to drop pods seems to indicate any time you come in from a tactical reserve you have to be at least 9" away from an opponent. As he goes ahead and even states coming out of a drop pod will put you 9" away.

That would be consistent with all reserve deployments in AoS.

for those who missed he also said all drop pod armies in matched play will not all allowed to be in reserve! so i'm guessing ye gonna have to deploy some open as weird as that will seem... guessing all drop pod armies are a thing of the past

Clearly they dropped in front of the enemy's advancing lines right before the battle started?

He did mention you get stratagems based off all keywords.

Exampe:
1 marine captain - Imperium, Astartes, Blood angel
1 tactical squad - Imperium, Astartes, Blood angel
1 tactical squad - Imperium, astartes, blood angel
1 Assault squad - Imperium, astartes, blood angel

1 incessor squad - Imperium, Primaris, astartes, blood angel

This force would get stategems from Imperium, Astartes and Blood Angels. But not Primaris because not all are Primaris.


If you added:
1 imperial guard squad - Imperium, Adeptus Militarium, Cadian

Then you would only get Imperium.

I swear, I'm getting the impression these Warhammer community articles are being written by the same "person" that writes the Guardsman Uplifting Primer articles. I detect the same tone of sarcasm and the Commisar with the gun pointed at the author's head - "don't reveal that, Sonny"; "Are you properly jubilent about this change, Imperial citizen?"

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Mortarion hint dropped!

"Any Primarchs returning?"
"Well... there might be a cowled one on the way soon..."

Or, you know, the Lion. The dude who's legion all wear hoodies? I'm sure when he wakes up they'll hand him an STC Hoodlum-pattern Hoodie.

Hoping against hope!

Hooded hint in the Q/A!!!

Picture of a lion on the community site!

It seems almost cruel at this point.

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment heretic.


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 streetsamurai wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That and I'd be genuinely surprised if they ditch the current Marines...

Really????

At this point I think it is pretty much a given. I can't see them keeping two range of marines(one slightly bigger than the other) for a lot of time

Or they just give them about as much stuff the custodies has and call it a day.

they would have to replace pretty much EVERYTHING Marine and thats quite a big investment

so much so that if they were willing to go full adeptus restartes then it would be a very very very long process.

at the least untill the newest marine injection molds started to go bad which is going to take a while.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
So if existing Marines can be upgraded and the creation process is being shared out, will there be Primaris versions of the existing squad types? Or will all post upgrade Astartes be reorganized into the new Primaris squads?

good chance that girlyman is going to rewrite the codex. and the new elite of elite will probably work a lot more like 30k marines since that is what he was used to. (maybe)

Custodes only have one kit. we already know that there will be numerous kits of numarines, most of them being direct port from the old marine range (dreadnought, tanks, assault marines)

Grey Knights got a full army out of how many kits again?

I could see the Primaris Marines boxes being the same.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Mortarion hint dropped!

"Any Primarchs returning?"
"Well... there might be a cowled one on the way soon..."

Or, you know, the Lion. The dude who's legion all wear hoodies? I'm sure when he wakes up they'll hand him an STC Hoodlum-pattern Hoodie.

We pretty much know Mortarion is coming anyway (his scythe is seen in the Death Guard video and there was a leaked image that the scythe matched up with).

Exactly. But we'll have to go through the usual Dakka process of "it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, maybe it's a pigeon!"

Lol, indeed. Anybody that think the next Primarch is not Mortarion is lying to himself . The writing is on the wall.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

Spoiler:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Mortarion hint dropped!

"Any Primarchs returning?"
"Well... there might be a cowled one on the way soon..."

Or, you know, the Lion. The dude who's legion all wear hoodies? I'm sure when he wakes up they'll hand him an STC Hoodlum-pattern Hoodie.

We pretty much know Mortarion is coming anyway (his scythe is seen in the Death Guard video and there was a leaked image that the scythe matched up with).

Exactly. But we'll have to go through the usual Dakka process of "it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, maybe it's a pigeon!"

Lol, indeed. Anybody that think the next Primarch is not Mortarion is desillusionnal. The writing ison the wall.

But he said pigeon! Clearly that means Sanguinius is next! /s

Is there a single description in 40k where the Lion is not a complete dick?

Motarian could be good but magnus looked a bit funky with his nipple horns...

 Desubot wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:


Custodes only have one kit. we already know that there will be numerous kits of numarines, most of them being direct port from the old marine range (dreadnought, tanks, assault marines)

hmm was miss remembering that the extra kits was actually from FW

ether way im expecting them to just be a supplement. No on knows exactly whats going to happen but it would be foolish of GW just trash all there old marine kits. at least not until the last mold degrades beyond use.

GW has replaced numerous times perfectly functionnal marine kits with new ones.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Mortarion hint dropped!

"Any Primarchs returning?"
"Well... there might be a cowled one on the way soon..."

Or, you know, the Lion. The dude who's legion all wear hoodies? I'm sure when he wakes up they'll hand him an STC Hoodlum-pattern Hoodie.

We pretty much know Mortarion is coming anyway (his scythe is seen in the Death Guard video and there was a leaked image that the scythe matched up with).

Exactly. But we'll have to go through the usual Dakka process of "it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, maybe it's a pigeon!"

Accompanied by how much it sucks that they are doing pigeons and not ducks, how poorly written the fluff for pigeons is/will be (not like the good old days!) and how the immanent pigeons have broken the game

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I am really looking forward to using Power Fists again. Pedro Kantor has one, one of my Captain has one, and I am probably going to stick one on some of my Assault Sergeants. A -1 to hit isn't the end of the world, certainly a lot better than striking last(if I get to strike at all). My Crimson Fists, Blood Angels, and Deathwatch will all be happy. Heavy Thunder Hammers!

Was having a conversation with a friend of mine who runs DA sprinkled w/ DW. He was raging that P. Fists were worthless now.

Him: Man, P. Fists are -garbage-. -1 to hit w/ them??! What a load of !

Me: How so? They apparently still buff strength, do multiple wounds and have a rend of like -3 and strike first if you charge. What's not to like..?

H: I only hit on 4+ w/ them instead of 3+!!

M: You already hit on a 4+ against 90% of the armies in the game. Only against my Tau did you ever hit me on a 3+.

H: ...well.. yeah, I guess they're ok..

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Grey Knights got a full army out of how many kits again?

I could see the Primaris Marines boxes being the same.

Primaris with Bolters (confirmed) - Intecessor Squad
Primaris with Plasma Gun (seen) - ? Squad

That's at least two unit choices (Troops and Heavy Support?) from one kit.

Jump Pack Primaris (from the boxed set pictures) are probably another two unit kit - I'd guess one unit with Swords and Pistols and a different unit with Flamers.

The introduction article mentioned a Dreadnought, so there's your Elite and maybe a Heavy Support Mortis style option.

That just leaves an HQ kit to have a full FoC.

 streetsamurai wrote:



Custodes only have one kit. we already know that there will be numerous kits of numarines, most of them being direct port from the old marine range (dreadnought, tanks, assault marines)

If we get a new Land raider out of this I would be a happy camper(like the design but the kit is a pain in the ass) and I'm really looking forward to the new models. But having the ability to upgrade existing Marines to Primaris does IMO make this a less interesting development to the background.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Motarian could be good but magnus looked a bit funky with his nipple horns...

You don't have to put those on, you know?

 Vryce wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I am really looking forward to using Power Fists again. Pedro Kantor has one, one of my Captain has one, and I am probably going to stick one on some of my Assault Sergeants. A -1 to hit isn't the end of the world, certainly a lot better than striking last(if I get to strike at all). My Crimson Fists, Blood Angels, and Deathwatch will all be happy. Heavy Thunder Hammers!

Was having a conversation with a friend of mine who runs DA sprinkled w/ DW. He was raging that P. Fists were worthless now.

Him: Man, P. Fists are -garbage-. -1 to hit w/ them??! What a load of !

Me: How so? They apparently still buff strength, do multiple wounds and have a rend of like -3 and strike first if you charge. What's not to like..?

H: I only hit on 4+ w/ them instead of 3+!!

M: You already hit on a 4+ against 90% of the armies in the game. Only against my Tau did you ever hit me on a 3+.

H: ...well.. yeah, I guess they're ok..

In fact, I think DW may be a thing again... That's good!

 Azreal13 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Mortarion hint dropped!

"Any Primarchs returning?"
"Well... there might be a cowled one on the way soon..."

Or, you know, the Lion. The dude who's legion all wear hoodies? I'm sure when he wakes up they'll hand him an STC Hoodlum-pattern Hoodie.

We pretty much know Mortarion is coming anyway (his scythe is seen in the Death Guard video and there was a leaked image that the scythe matched up with).

Exactly. But we'll have to go through the usual Dakka process of "it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, maybe it's a pigeon!"

They could ALSO be talking about the Lion. He's the most likely/obvious choice for next Imperial Primarch. Just because we know Mortarion is coming doesn't mean he's the only one with a cowl.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:



Custodes only have one kit. we already know that there will be numerous kits of numarines, most of them being direct port from the old marine range (dreadnought, tanks, assault marines)

If we get a new Land raider out of this I would be a happy camper(like the design but the kit is a pain in the ass) and I'm really looking forward to the new models. But having the ability to upgrade existing Marines to Primaris does IMO make this a less interesting development to the background.

Forge World are selling out of Land Raider doors so it's possible.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Is there a single description in 40k where the Lion is not a complete dick?

Motarian could be good but magnus looked a bit funky with his nipple horns...

Bell-nips.

 Vryce wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I am really looking forward to using Power Fists again. Pedro Kantor has one, one of my Captain has one, and I am probably going to stick one on some of my Assault Sergeants. A -1 to hit isn't the end of the world, certainly a lot better than striking last(if I get to strike at all). My Crimson Fists, Blood Angels, and Deathwatch will all be happy. Heavy Thunder Hammers!

Was having a conversation with a friend of mine who runs DA sprinkled w/ DW. He was raging that P. Fists were worthless now.

Him: Man, P. Fists are -garbage-. -1 to hit w/ them??! What a load of !

Me: How so? They apparently still buff strength, do multiple wounds and have a rend of like -3 and strike first if you charge. What's not to like..?

H: I only hit on 4+ w/ them instead of 3+!!

M: You already hit on a 4+ against 90% of the armies in the game. Only against my Tau did you ever hit me on a 3+.

H: ...well.. yeah, I guess they're ok..

You have to be seriously reactionnary to think that PF are useless because of the -1 to hit, since we don't know much about them beside that.

 streetsamurai wrote:
GW has replaced numerous times perfectly functionnal marine kits with new ones.

Each time they have is because of advances of technology and a degrading mold line.

The talk of currant marines being "upgraded" to primaris gives me hope for their fall to chaos happening sooner, or at least more frequently.

They'll have the same faults and personalities as before. Additionally you have that piece lore that the Alpha Legion have sleeper agents within recruiting worlds. Wouldn't be hard for them to activate post-enhancement surely?

 Asmodai wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Grey Knights got a full army out of how many kits again?

I could see the Primaris Marines boxes being the same.

Primaris with Bolters (confirmed) - Intecessor Squad
Primaris with Plasma Gun (seen) - ? Squad

That's at least two unit choices (Troops and Heavy Support?) from one kit.

Jump Pack Primaris (from the boxed set pictures) are probably another two unit kit - I'd guess one unit with Swords and Pistols and a different unit with Flamers.

The introduction article mentioned a Dreadnought, so there's your Elite and maybe a Heavy Support Mortis style option.

That just leaves an HQ kit to have a full FoC.

Depends on how they do the jump packs. I mean Grey Knights got their Strike Squad, Purgation, Purifier and Interceptor squads out of a single kit. We may see a release like the original GK one: 5 to a box with all the options to make multiple units.

Especially if the units are locked in at 5 models each.

Vs Grey Knight Paladin box set (5 models), Grey Knight Terminator Box set (5 models), Grey Knight Interceptor/Strike/Purifier/Purgation box set (10 models), 1 Dreadknight kit, 5 character models and then the universal kits; 1 stormraven kit, 1 dreadnought kit, 1 razorback, 2 landraider kits.

 Vryce wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I am really looking forward to using Power Fists again. Pedro Kantor has one, one of my Captain has one, and I am probably going to stick one on some of my Assault Sergeants. A -1 to hit isn't the end of the world, certainly a lot better than striking last(if I get to strike at all). My Crimson Fists, Blood Angels, and Deathwatch will all be happy. Heavy Thunder Hammers!

Was having a conversation with a friend of mine who runs DA sprinkled w/ DW. He was raging that P. Fists were worthless now.

Him: Man, P. Fists are -garbage-. -1 to hit w/ them??! What a load of !

Me: How so? They apparently still buff strength, do multiple wounds and have a rend of like -3 and strike first if you charge. What's not to like..?

H: I only hit on 4+ w/ them instead of 3+!!

M: You already hit on a 4+ against 90% of the armies in the game. Only against my Tau did you ever hit me on a 3+.

H: ...well.. yeah, I guess they're ok..

Every Marine player needs to experience an Ork shooting phase from the dice rolling side.

 backlash13 wrote:
The talk of currant marines being "upgraded" to primaris gives me hope for their fall to chaos happening sooner, or at least more frequently.

They'll have the same faults and personalities as before. Additionally you have that piece lore that the Alpha Legion have sleeper agents within recruiting worlds. Wouldn't be hard for them to activate post-enhancement surely?

Activating their recruits post becoming Astartes was how Alpha Legion killed off the Crimson Consuls. I imagine adding a couple new squiggly bits to the Marines won't change that.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Death Company Primaris...

*drools*

Legion of the Damned Primaris

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
GW has replaced numerous times perfectly functionnal marine kits with new ones.

Each time they have is because of advances of technology and a degrading mold line.

Which is an infalsifiable argument, since technology is improving all the time.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:


Custodes only have one kit. we already know that there will be numerous kits of numarines, most of them being direct port from the old marine range (dreadnought, tanks, assault marines)

hmm was miss remembering that the extra kits was actually from FW

ether way im expecting them to just be a supplement. No on knows exactly whats going to happen but it would be foolish of GW just trash all there old marine kits. at least not until the last mold degrades beyond use.

GW has replaced numerous times perfectly functionnal marine kits with new ones.

like?

Anybody else really love the models but wtf with the fluff? I was ok with the primaris marine idea but when Phil confirmed that they can just "upgrade" existing marines to primaris I was really sad. Why not just make a new space marine kit and write something else for the story arc. It just seems really forced so it didnt seem like GW is going to phase out all your marines. Oh but wait they did anyways and really did a job on 20+ years of lore...

 nintura wrote:

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Death Company Primaris...

*drools*

Legion of the Damned Primaris

Oh man that one would require some creative fluff writing. I just picture the normal marines staging a scenario where they are desperate to goad the legion of the damned into intervening while every bush contains an apothecary holding a comically large syringe ready to pounce on them and give them their medicine.