40k New Edition Summary - 14th June 17: Lord Duncan paints Primaris in Gravis/non-codex SM focus

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**Galas**

lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm sorry. I can't keep up. Do we know if TLOS is in?

No info yet. I assume that it will remain like in AoS.

**ClockworkZion**

lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm sorry. I can't keep up. Do we know if TLOS is in?

Everything (minus the Q&A I just posted) is in the OP. That said, no, we don't know.

**ERJAK**

ClockworkZion wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm sorry. I can't keep up. Do we know if TLOS is in?

Everything (minus the Q&A I just posted) is in the OP. That said, no, we don't know.

It is one of the 99% things though.

**ClockworkZion**

ERJAK wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm sorry. I can't keep up. Do we know if TLOS is in?

Everything (minus the Q&A I just posted) is in the OP. That said, no, we don't know.

It is one of the 99% things though.

I don't get what you mean by that.

**Davor**

Just like to give a big thanks to Rippy and Clockwork Zion for all the updates and keeping us updated. Greatly appreciated guys.

**ClockworkZion**

Davor wrote:
Just like to give a big thanks to Rippy and Clockwork Zion for all the updates and keeping us updated. Greatly appreciated guys.

Glad to be of help!

**mrhappyface**

Three cheers? Hip, hip!

**Azazelx**

Yes - I'll agree to that. Great wok guys - and thank you!

**Powerfisting**

RoperPG wrote:
Powerfisting wrote:
you know, when the articles started dropping, I was a little curious about how they were gonna stretch them out to the rumored release date. Then, they go and do an article for large models, vehicles and then transports, and I was complaining about wanting them to push the vehicle and transport articles together. I see what's going on now.

Now, the official confirmations and rumors are getting to be confusing for me. Have we not had rumors so far that basically said disembarking and assaulting in the same turn is a thing? The Tyranids article confirmed assaulting out of reserves/deepstrike, so it would be super inconsistent if that was allowed and assaulting out of transports wasn't.

On current understanding, you can assault out of a transport.
Disembark in the movement phase, then assault later.
That would suggest you can't assault from a vehicle after it charges because if the vehicle charges you're too late to disembark.

But entirely possible it's different.

I forgot vehicles are gonna be able to charge. I wonder if charging units with rhinos and then disembarking the next turn is going to be any better than just assaulting with actual infantry.

**Rippy**

lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm sorry. I can't keep up. Do we know if TLOS is in?

LoS hasn't changed from 7th as far as we know

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Davor wrote:Just like to give a big thanks to Rippy and Clockwork Zion for all the updates and keeping us updated. Greatly appreciated guys.

mrhappyface wrote:Three cheers? Hip, hip!

Azazelx wrote:Yes - I'll agree to that. Great wok guys - and thank you!

No worries dudes, it's easily done with a great community to provide support!

I always wake up with PMs for things to be added and messages of thanks, I appreciate it!

**ClockworkZion**

Daedalus81 wrote:
Kirasu wrote:
Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
I am glad I own a decent pile of fortifications now!

Also, since fortifications are T10 I wonder if the landraider will have the same (since they share armor values)

They aren't keeping the toughness of vehicles in line with all vehicles of same previous armor value from what we've seen.

Toughness has been consistently AV minus 5. There are other rules needed to cover the remaining durability for some. I expect T9 on the LR. Not sure if it will be 2+ or 3+ though...depends on the wounds.

Thought we heard Raiders were T6 though....

T5 Raiders and Land Speeders would be lame as heck.

**Rippy**

ClockworkZion wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm sorry. I can't keep up. Do we know if TLOS is in?

Everything (minus the Q&A I just posted) is in the OP. That said, no, we don't know.

Added

**ClockworkZion**

Rippy wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm sorry. I can't keep up. Do we know if TLOS is in?

Everything (minus the Q&A I just posted) is in the OP. That said, no, we don't know.

Added

I stand corrected. We're currently 100% up to date then.

**Tyran**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Daedalus81 wrote:
Kirasu wrote:
Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
I am glad I own a decent pile of fortifications now!

Also, since fortifications are T10 I wonder if the landraider will have the same (since they share armor values)

They aren't keeping the toughness of vehicles in line with all vehicles of same previous armor value from what we've seen.

Toughness has been consistently AV minus 5. There are other rules needed to cover the remaining durability for some. I expect T9 on the LR. Not sure if it will be 2+ or 3+ though...depends on the wounds.

Thought we heard Raiders were T6 though....

T5 Raiders and Land Speeders would be lame as heck.

I expect T5, they are the most fragile vehicles in the game.

**Leth**

T5 or 6 wound be about what I would expect. I hope for T5 for sentinels, land speeders, etc because they really are fragile.

**Lythrandire Biehrellian**

I have a vehicle and monstrous creature design rules set linked in my signature. It has a chart for purchasing av and whether or not it is open topped. It also has a chart for toughness/save point calculating.

Go through and purchase the av/open ratings and then see what those points net you on the toughness/save chart.

Land raider is toughness 9 2+ save

Raider is toughness 5 6+ save

My charts put the dread at t7 3+ save

The annihilation barge would be t6 3+ save

The imperial knight would be at t8 5+ so there are some outliers, but overall pretty accurate.

**ERJAK**

ClockworkZion wrote:
ERJAK wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm sorry. I can't keep up. Do we know if TLOS is in?

Everything (minus the Q&A I just posted) is in the OP. That said, no, we don't know.

It is one of the 99% things though.

I don't get what you mean by that.

Something that has not been confirmed but is extremely likely.

**Lockark**

Powerfisting wrote:
RoperPG wrote:
Powerfisting wrote:
you know, when the articles started dropping, I was a little curious about how they were gonna stretch them out to the rumored release date. Then, they go and do an article for large models, vehicles and then transports, and I was complaining about wanting them to push the vehicle and transport articles together. I see what's going on now.

Now, the official confirmations and rumors are getting to be confusing for me. Have we not had rumors so far that basically said disembarking and assaulting in the same turn is a thing? The Tyranids article confirmed assaulting out of reserves/deepstrike, so it would be super inconsistent if that was allowed and assaulting out of transports wasn't.

On current understanding, you can assault out of a transport.
Disembark in the movement phase, then assault later.
That would suggest you can't assault from a vehicle after it charges because if the vehicle charges you're too late to disembark.

But entirely possible it's different.

I forgot vehicles are gonna be able to charge. I wonder if charging units with rhinos and then disembarking the next turn is going to be any better than just assaulting with actual infantry.

Very likily tho that if the vehicle is destroyed and you have no room to disembark, the unit is lost. Judgeing by the fact you lose models in deep strike if you can't place them.

**ClockworkZion**

Lockark wrote:
Powerfisting wrote:
RoperPG wrote:
Powerfisting wrote:
you know, when the articles started dropping, I was a little curious about how they were gonna stretch them out to the rumored release date. Then, they go and do an article for large models, vehicles and then transports, and I was complaining about wanting them to push the vehicle and transport articles together. I see what's going on now.

Now, the official confirmations and rumors are getting to be confusing for me. Have we not had rumors so far that basically said disembarking and assaulting in the same turn is a thing? The Tyranids article confirmed assaulting out of reserves/deepstrike, so it would be super inconsistent if that was allowed and assaulting out of transports wasn't.

On current understanding, you can assault out of a transport.
Disembark in the movement phase, then assault later.
That would suggest you can't assault from a vehicle after it charges because if the vehicle charges you're too late to disembark.

But entirely possible it's different.

I forgot vehicles are gonna be able to charge. I wonder if charging units with rhinos and then disembarking the next turn is going to be any better than just assaulting with actual infantry.

Very likily tho that if the vehicle is destroyed and you have no room to disembark, the unit is lost. Judgeing by the fact you lose models in deep strike if you can't place them.

Emergency disembarking could still be a thing though.

We'll probably learn more tomorrow.

**Sersi**

RoperPG wrote:
Powerfisting wrote:
you know, when the articles started dropping, I was a little curious about how they were gonna stretch them out to the rumored release date. Then, they go and do an article for large models, vehicles and then transports, and I was complaining about wanting them to push the vehicle and transport articles together. I see what's going on now.

Now, the official confirmations and rumors are getting to be confusing for me. Have we not had rumors so far that basically said disembarking and assaulting in the same turn is a thing? The Tyranids article confirmed assaulting out of reserves/deepstrike, so it would be super inconsistent if that was allowed and assaulting out of transports wasn't.

On current understanding, you can assault out of a transport.
Disembark in the movement phase, then assault later.
That would suggest you can't assault from a vehicle after it charges because if the vehicle charges you're too late to disembark.

But entirely possible it's different.

Since 40K doesn't have a "hero phase" like AOS its a safe bet that units can only embarks and disembark in the movement phase. So, you would be locked in the vehicle if you don't get out before it charges. The question then is if you can still charge if you disembark after the vehicle makes its advance. I would guess no, unless your in and open topped or assault vehicle. But we'll see.

**Bloodmaster**

RoperPG wrote:

Disembark in the movement phase, then assault later.
That would suggest you can't assault from a vehicle after it charges because if the vehicle charges you're too late to disembark.

But entirely possible it's different.

Maybe it differs depending on what type of vehicle your in. Open topped or an assault ramp might allow for an Attack after the vehicle has charged.

**Crazyterran**

For all we know open topped could only allow shooting out of it and anyone can charge outnof any transport.

We will have to wait and see for the transport section.

**Matt.Kingsley**

Which handily should be up in less than 8 hours

.

**Rippy**

How many more big mechanics do we need revealed? I feel like transports is one of the last.

Edit: fliers as well maybe

**Matt.Kingsley**

Maybe one for really large models, like Titans.

Though those are FW models, so I doubt they'll be in any articles.

Would Maelstrom Mission be considered a big mechanic? Seeing how they've changed those up would be a big deal for 50% or more of the player base.

**Rippy**

Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Maybe one for really large models, like Titans.

Though those are FW models, so I doubt they'll be in any articles.

Would Maelstrom Mission be considered a big mechanic? Seeing how they've changed those up would be a big deal for 50% or more of the player base.

Yeah, I guess it depends on how much they reveal.

**MajorWesJanson**

We do have some proper superheavies that would be nice to see- If the Knight is 3+ T8 24 wounds, what will the Baneblade or Stompa look like?

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

I just want to get playing with the new rules.

Whilst it may not have done away with imbalance altogether, from what we've heard, the gap has been significantly closed.

**Whittlesey40k**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I just want to get playing with the new rules.

Whilst it may not have done away with imbalance altogether, from what we've heard, the gap has been significantly closed.

^^This.

The rules are supposed to be 14 pages.
We've had about 30 teaser articles. Just give us the rules! I'm so impatient for them!

**wuestenfux**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I just want to get playing with the new rules.

Whilst it may not have done away with imbalance altogether, from what we've heard, the gap has been significantly closed.

I'm skeptical here. The rule set incl. the rules for the models/units is too big to get balanced sufficiently well. There will be gaps, loop holes, and OP and underwhelming units everywhere. No elusions here.