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2017/05/23 08:58:18
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Regular Dakkanaut
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 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
Without you and your overgeneralization of my opinions I truly wouldn't know the true blackness of my heart.
I could go through your post history and drag out twice the pathetic moaning, but I seem to have got under your skin so I'll end things now
Enjoy the new edition 
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2017/05/23 08:58:28
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Fully-charged Electropriest
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 General Kroll wrote:Eyjio wrote:
Huh? They are - the Imperium/Chaos books are preorder for launch, and the other armies have their FW stuff rolled into the normal indexes.
No they aren't. They will be available in separate indexes hopefully by the end of June. And we all know how good FW are with getting stuff out on time, don't we.
Yep, a bit disappointed. Hopefully they get them out by the end of June. Need my hierodule rules.
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2017/05/23 08:59:47
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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General Kroll wrote:MarkNorfolk wrote:Hmm. As far as I'm aware, the stats for models are NOT available as free pdfs (as the old Warhammer Armies conversions were). Until new codices are printed these books are it. The are going to be reasonably priced though....
What's reasonable to GW and FW isn't always reasonable for most people.
Well, if we go by the AoS Grand Alliance books (because they are likely very similiar), we're looking at a 12-24€ price bracket, which isn't too bad.
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2017/05/23 08:59:48
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Thebiggesthat wrote:
So for my assumptions, I'll be using the way AoS sets things up. This, in my opinion, is a fairly safe assumption when you look at the development of AoS and what has made it into 40k.
You have a overarching faction of 'IMPERIUM'. This will contain some wargear, abilities, cool stuffs that are accessible for anyone with that keyword.
In a specific codex, you will have a specific faction keyword. Lets go 'BLOOD ANGEL'. if the entire faction has this keyword, you can select from the 'BLOOD ANGEL' wargear/standards/armour.
This is exactly how AoS works. If you want the cool shield that gives -2 to all shooting, you need to stay in faction 'STORMCAST'. You can go 'ORDER' but then you get the slightly worse list.
You are conveniently saying 'well we don't know allies rules' as making any reasonable assumption based on the other GW product would invalidate your position somewhat.
Well we know 40k will be detachment based and you can have multiple detachments. Therefore you can have all-blood angel detachment and all-dark angel detachment.
This differs from AOS where you have just army. 40k you can have multiple armies.
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2017/05/23 09:01:23
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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Well, I'm a bit confused of all the releases GW is planning to make.
Free rules, rule book, codices. All released in a short time frame?
All reasonably priced?
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2017/05/23 09:02:41
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Flashy Flashgitz
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 Hanskrampf wrote: General Kroll wrote:MarkNorfolk wrote:Hmm. As far as I'm aware, the stats for models are NOT available as free pdfs (as the old Warhammer Armies conversions were). Until new codices are printed these books are it. The are going to be reasonably priced though....
What's reasonable to GW and FW isn't always reasonable for most people.
Well, if we go by the AoS Grand Alliance books (because they are likely very similiar), we're looking at a 12-24€ price bracket, which isn't too bad.
Why would they go the route of grand alliance books like AoS, but not free datasheets? That would literally cause a massive uproar in the community and everyone would be PISSED. Say what you want about the 'new GW'-meme but I don't think they're that stupid.
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2017/05/23 09:03:50
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Regular Dakkanaut
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New 40k 17th June,Pre-orders 3rd June!
· 2x Intercessors Squad with rifles
· 1x Hellblasters Squad with plasma guns
· 1x Inceptors squad with twin assault bolters
· Primaris Lieutenant with power sword
· Primaris Lieutenant with auto-bolt rifle
· Primaris Ancient
· Captain in Gravis armour
· Plague Marine Squad
· Foetid Bloat Drone
· Poxwalkers squad
· Lord of Contagion
· Noxious Blightbringer
· Malignant Plaguecaster
A 24-page Death Guard book
· A 24 page Primaris book
· 8 page Core Rules Booklet (A handy in game reference)
· A colour assembly guide fkr all the miniatures
· Gaming accessories, such as 12 red D6 dice, a 12” range rules, decal sheet for the Primaris Space Marines, including iconography for Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Space Wolves.
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2017/05/23 09:04:32
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Hissing Hybrid Metamorph
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Bloat Drone instead of Blight Drone.
Oh GW.
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2017/05/23 09:05:19
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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 Don Savik wrote: Hanskrampf wrote: General Kroll wrote:MarkNorfolk wrote:Hmm. As far as I'm aware, the stats for models are NOT available as free pdfs (as the old Warhammer Armies conversions were). Until new codices are printed these books are it. The are going to be reasonably priced though....
What's reasonable to GW and FW isn't always reasonable for most people.
Well, if we go by the AoS Grand Alliance books (because they are likely very similiar), we're looking at a 12-24€ price bracket, which isn't too bad.
Why would they go the route of grand alliance books like AoS, but not free datasheets? That would literally cause a massive uproar in the community and everyone would be PISSED. Say what you want about the 'new GW'-meme but I don't think they're that stupid.
If people do get pissed, they got told ages ago they'd have to buy books, so shouldn't get surprised. I'm working the other way round: happy for free rules, resigned to paying for army books.
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 Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
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2017/05/23 09:06:10
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Dark Angels Iconograhy for the Primaris? So Chaos are getting them...
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2017/05/23 09:08:24
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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DiscoKing wrote:New 40k 17th June,Pre-orders 3rd June!
· 2x Intercessors Squad with rifles
· 1x Hellblasters Squad with plasma guns
· 1x Inceptors squad with twin assault bolters
· Primaris Lieutenant with power sword
· Primaris Lieutenant with auto-bolt rifle
· Primaris Ancient
· Captain in Gravis armour
· Plague Marine Squad
· Foetid Bloat Drone
· Poxwalkers squad
· Lord of Contagion
· Noxious Blightbringer
· Malignant Plaguecaster
A 24-page Death Guard book
· A 24 page Primaris book
· 8 page Core Rules Booklet (A handy in game reference)
· A colour assembly guide fkr all the miniatures
· Gaming accessories, such as 12 red D6 dice, a 12” range rules, decal sheet for the Primaris Space Marines, including iconography for Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Space Wolves.
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Nice. Is this the starter set they were talking about?
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Former moderator 40kOnline
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2017/05/23 09:08:25
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Looks like close to 4 books for everything I own
Imperium 1 for my Blood Ravens, Grey Knights and Deathwatch armies
Imperium 2 for my lone Vindicare Assassin
Xenos 2 for my Tyranids and the AoBR Orks my brother never uses
Chaos for my Chaos Marines
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2017/05/23 09:09:59
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Experienced Maneater
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Don Savik wrote: Hanskrampf wrote: General Kroll wrote:MarkNorfolk wrote:Hmm. As far as I'm aware, the stats for models are NOT available as free pdfs (as the old Warhammer Armies conversions were). Until new codices are printed these books are it. The are going to be reasonably priced though....
What's reasonable to GW and FW isn't always reasonable for most people.
Well, if we go by the AoS Grand Alliance books (because they are likely very similiar), we're looking at a 12-24€ price bracket, which isn't too bad.
Why would they go the route of grand alliance books like AoS, but not free datasheets? That would literally cause a massive uproar in the community and everyone would be PISSED. Say what you want about the 'new GW'-meme but I don't think they're that stupid.
Maybe the Grand Alliance books didn't work out and no one bought them?
Now they're trying the other way.
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2017/05/23 09:14:49
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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2017/05/23 09:17:08
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Foxy Wildborne
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Ugh, gotta get Xenos 2 just for Necrons and have 80% of the book full of stupid panzees
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I'm guessing the box will cost significantly more than Dark Vengeance?
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The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins. |
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2017/05/23 09:19:15
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Fully-charged Electropriest
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Looks like it will be a different unit than the Blight drone, the weapons appear different anyway. Two flyer options are better than one.
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2017/05/23 09:19:22
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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 Garion wrote:Starter set retail price is 125€. Confirmed by an online shop
ouch thats gonna be a little costly. guess I'm eating Ramen for June
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2017/05/23 09:24:41
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Thebiggesthat wrote:tneva82 wrote:Thebiggesthat wrote:It's been confirmed that certain wargear access won't be faction specific then? That's cool, chuck up a link then, it will be genuinely the first think I haven't liked from the new ed.
Care to give example what wargear you are talking about? But looks like it works like this:
You take 1-n detachments. All models inside detachment need to share faction keyword. At most shallow that's "imperium" so you could literally have any imperial unit.
Now if you refer to faction specific wargear like dark angel standard pretty obvious option to take that is only on model that has faction keyword "dark angel". But you can still take that on detachment where all share keyword "imperium"
Now will there be some specific bonuses if you take detachment with keyword "dark angel" on all? Not known, quite likely.
Then since you can take more than one detachment second detachment can be all different. Maybe all are IG and you get IG specific bonuses for that detachment? Or even go for combined eldar force or specialized biel-tan force.
How the units between 2 detachment works out we don't know. Presumably there's some sort of ally level like 7th ed.
So for my assumptions, I'll be using the way AoS sets things up. This, in my opinion, is a fairly safe assumption when you look at the development of AoS and what has made it into 40k.
You have a overarching faction of 'IMPERIUM'. This will contain some wargear, abilities, cool stuffs that are accessible for anyone with that keyword.
In a specific codex, you will have a specific faction keyword. Lets go 'BLOOD ANGEL'. if the entire faction has this keyword, you can select from the 'BLOOD ANGEL' wargear/standards/armour.
This is exactly how AoS works. If you want the cool shield that gives -2 to all shooting, you need to stay in faction 'STORMCAST'. You can go 'ORDER' but then you get the slightly worse list.
You are conveniently saying 'well we don't know allies rules' as making any reasonable assumption based on the other GW product would invalidate your position somewhat.
The original question was about allies and whether GW were getting rid of them. They're not, they're going the other way. I never said how effective a high level faction FoC would be or what rules it would have access to, but it will be very much normal. As will 2/3 FoC's in the same army each with lower level faction keywords (and potentially bonuses from those). Still, very much Allies +++
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2017/05/23 09:25:05
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Dakka Veteran
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Blargh, Space Maureens and slighty different Space Maureens make for a no buy on the boxed set.
Guess I get to eat real food and buy wine for June 
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2017/05/23 09:26:11
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Dakka Veteran
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Need to know how much the boxed set plus the 5 books is gonna be......
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2017/05/23 09:26:18
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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BrianDavion wrote: Garion wrote:Starter set retail price is 125€. Confirmed by an online shop
ouch thats gonna be a little costly. guess I'm eating Ramen for June
No I think its reasonably priced.
I have enough grey (unpainted) Marines from the recent starter sets. So I will skip it and concentrate on the armies I have.
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2017/05/23 09:26:27
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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PossumCraft wrote:Blargh, Space Maureens and slighty different Space Maureens make for a no buy on the boxed set.
Guess I get to eat real food and buy wine for June
Well don't be too happy. You still have rulebook and faction book to buy. That or stick to older edition.
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2017/05/23 09:29:49
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Foxy Wildborne
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125€ sounds very reasonable for a 280 page hardcover, some 30 large MEQs, a Dread sized vehicle, 10 cultists...
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The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins. |
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2017/05/23 09:30:18
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Bounding Dark Angels Assault Marine
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From miniwars comments
Dark Imperium boxset 125€
Index book 20€ each
Warhammer 40.000 book 45€
Tactical Objectives 10€
Command Dice 15€
Sector Imperialis Objectives 25€
Combat Gauge 8€
Wound Trackers 10€
http://www.miniwars.eu/2017/05/warhammer-40000-dark-imperium.html#disqus_thread
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2017/05/23 09:33:58
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Water-Caste Negotiator
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I just wonder how fast the new fiddly bits like the dice are going to sell out . Everything looks pretty great though, not a fan of the assault marines pose, looks like they are floating, like the kharadron dudes instead of jumping.
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2017/05/23 09:34:58
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Guard Heavy Weapon Crewman
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Assuming the Dark Imperium box is £100, then we can see the rulebook at £36? Not bad, and the individual Index books are £16. I like those prices, it's like 2005 all over again. 
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2017/05/23 09:37:05
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Regular Dakkanaut
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It's 95 quid, rather than 100, confirmed
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2017/05/23 09:37:26
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Wow. Those Primaris Assailverators are really silly. Chubby jump packs and skates/snow shoes? Really?
I really quite like all the new models except the asstasticators...asscrapators....a..... crappy flying guys. Even the not termie. Even though I agree his midsection armor looks a bit off.
Bah they are inception marines. Even the name isn't funny as whatever that other word is.
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2017/05/23 09:37:26
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 lord_blackfang wrote:125€ sounds very reasonable for a 280 page hardcover, some 30 large MEQs, a Dread sized vehicle, 10 cultists...
It's 20 cultists in the box content image.
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2017/05/23 09:38:19
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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lord_blackfang wrote:125€ sounds very reasonable for a 280 page hardcover, some 30 large MEQs, a Dread sized vehicle, 10 cultists...
20 Cultists haha. Pricey but yes worth it.
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