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Yeah. Heretic Astartes might give you special Warlord traits, and the relic lists could be locked behind the Legion keywords.

 Ghaz wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

skarsol wrote:

Has there been any hints as to increasing benefits if you use more specific Keywords for your detachment? (A Chaos detachment, vs a Heretic Astartes detachment, vs a Legion detachment)

Yes, but it will be in terms of abilities to use your CP on.

Yes. This was noted in the second live Q&A. For example, an all Blood Angels army could use Imperium, Space Marine or Blood Angels stratagems whereas a mixed Space Marine force could only use Imperium or Space Marine stratagems, etc.

Ah, okay. So now the big question (for me) is if the Keyword "Mark of Tzeentch" can be combined with "Tzeentch" for a benefit or if they have to rely on "Chaos".

Ummm, I disagree. Your looking at it from the perspective of adding a single additional unit from your own army. I am looking at it as a way to add a farseer or maybe fire dragons to my dark eldar if I feel like it without taking a whole second detachment of a greater size.

What are you talking about. I'm going to add a Farseer and a Solitaire to my Space Wolves/Imperial Guard.

 Cephalobeard wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 oni wrote:
OH MAN... I'm going to make a whole fething army of Aux. Support Detachments... It'll be a fething circus of all manner of gak... And guess what the best part is? IT'LL BE BATTLE FORGED!!! Unbound literally just became Battle Forged. ROFL!!!

Fixed with one sentence. You can't have a legal army with less than 0CP. Done.

Is that a thing? I've not seen it.

Neither have I, but you have to ask - what happens when you have negative CP? Either it isn't possible or your opponent gets that CP.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Youn wrote:
This edition will seriously weaken Celestine from the tank she used to be. I guess you could put her closest from unit in a hope that your opponent fires at her vs the unit she is next to.

I never saw her as tanky. Mostly because of ID and her lack of EW.

Uhm... she has/had EW.

Not in her original form. She went down like she had a glass jaw if she got hit with S6+. I haven't looked at the Gathering Storm rules in a while, but gather that's where she gained it.

She has EW since her latest incarnation and that's what Youn meant with weaken Celestine from the tank she used to be. As you mentioned the twins (she hadn't before, too) in the next paragraph it was absolutely unapparent that you talked about the outdated rules.

I forgot she had EW and thought people were still thinking of her old use in a unit to tank/pass out S6+ wounds to the unit as needed.

skarsol wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

skarsol wrote:

Has there been any hints as to increasing benefits if you use more specific Keywords for your detachment? (A Chaos detachment, vs a Heretic Astartes detachment, vs a Legion detachment)

Yes, but it will be in terms of abilities to use your CP on.

Yes. This was noted in the second live Q&A. For example, an all Blood Angels army could use Imperium, Space Marine or Blood Angels stratagems whereas a mixed Space Marine force could only use Imperium or Space Marine stratagems, etc.

Ah, okay. So now the big question (for me) is if the Keyword "Mark of Tzeentch" can be combined with "Tzeentch" for a benefit or if they have to rely on "Chaos".

In AoS, you can Mark generic Chaos units, and they win the "Keyword" of the Mark. So you can have Warriors or Marauders or Knights with the "Mark of Tzeentch", so they don't breake alliance with your Tzeentch faction.
And this is important because with the Disciples of Tzeentch battletome you have battle traits, artifacts, etc... to three types of Tzeentch armies: "Generic" Tzeentch, Mortal Tzeentchs, and Daemon Tzeentchs.

 Galas wrote:

 docdoom77 wrote:


Faction rules.

Hmmm my legal Imperium Army with SoS, Custodes, Celestine and Tempestus Scions, here I come
That I can create without looking at 5 supplements and a master degree

It'll be sweet. And hopefully, using narrower factions (i.e. Adeptus Astartes or Astra Militraum) will give extra bonuses to make up for the lowered flexibility.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
Interestingly. People were right, there's smaller SH detachments with no benefits. Hell, there's a detachment that DEDUCES COMMAND POINTS!

That Auxillary detachment is kind of nuts. I mean I get it if you want to add just one extra FOC option to your army for some reason, but at the same time it's rather punishing.

Ummm, I disagree. Your looking at it from the perspective of adding a single additional unit from your own army. I am looking at it as a way to add a farseer or maybe fire dragons to my dark eldar if I feel like it without taking a whole second detachment of a greater size.

Shouldn,t they have the Eldar keyword and be elligible to run under a single FOC?

skarsol wrote:

Ah, okay. So now the big question (for me) is if the Keyword "Mark of Tzeentch" can be combined with "Tzeentch" for a benefit or if they have to rely on "Chaos".

Rubrics have the faction keywords: Chaos, Tzeentch, Heretic Astartes, Thousand Sons

You can include them in an all Chaos army with daemons and other heretics. In an army that is all tzeentch daemons and thousand sons. In an all CSM army. Or all thousand sons.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 oni wrote:
OH MAN... I'm going to make a whole fething army of Aux. Support Detachments... It'll be a fething circus of all manner of gak... And guess what the best part is? IT'LL BE BATTLE FORGED!!! Unbound literally just became Battle Forged. ROFL!!!

Fixed with one sentence. You can't have a legal army with less than 0CP. Done.

Is that a thing? I've not seen it.

Neither have I, but you have to ask - what happens when you have negative CP? Either it isn't possible or your opponent gets that CP.

I mean, it's possible nothing happens. I HOPE you're right.

tneva82 wrote:
Harlequins getting hq or taking them donks your cp? All seem to require hq...

Your assuming none of the harlie characters moved to HQ though.

Justyn wrote:
couldn't give us the rest of the page...

I posted it a few pages back.

Justyn wrote:
couldn't give us the rest of the page...

He,s pulling these from a closed FB group, not taking his own pictures. Cut him some slack.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Justyn wrote:
couldn't give us the rest of the page...

He,s pulling these from a closed FB group, not taking his own pictures. Cut him some slack.

Yup - be grateful for what you do get -- weeks before release!

It says you can't spend CP if you don't have any, so no negative totals.

He,s pulling these from a closed FB group, not taking his own pictures. Cut him some slack.

No offense was meant. And all information is very much appreciated.

 docdoom77 wrote:


Faction rules.

Hmm... I hope the individual rules (and benefits) are more restricted. I mean, 'All units must be from the same Faction' sounds rather pointless if the faction is 'Imperium'.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
It says you can't spend CP if you don't have any, so no negative totals.

It doesn't seem to say you ever HAVE to spend them, either.

...Anyone figure out how the "all assassin army" works with those detachments?


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 Dryaktylus wrote:

 docdoom77 wrote:


Faction rules.

Hmm... I hope the individual rules (and benefits) are more restricted. I mean, 'All units must be from the same Faction' sounds rather pointless if the faction is 'Imperium'.

We saw on the Gravis Armour Captain that he shares his special rule only with models with the same chapter keyword.

I wonder what the tournament scene will look like. Unlimited number of detachments? 3 or something max? I'm betting we'll see a cap after a year or so if GW hasn't introduced one themselves.

 Cephalobeard wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
It says you can't spend CP if you don't have any, so no negative totals.

It doesn't seem to say you ever HAVE to spend them, either.

Well, yeah, you can choose not to spend them, what's your point?

Are warlord traits actually still in? Or have they also gone away?

 oni wrote:
OH MAN... I'm going to make a whole fething army of Aux. Support Detachments... It'll be a fething circus of all manner of gak... And guess what the best part is? IT'LL BE BATTLE FORGED!!! Unbound literally just became Battle Forged. ROFL!!!

Of course that's same as unbound now. No benefits in 7th ed, no cp in 8th. No change.

Also seems rapid fire guns can shoot and assault.

I wonder what the tournament scene will look like. Unlimited number of detachments? 3 or something max? I'm betting we'll see a cap after a year or so if GW hasn't introduced one themselves.

I suspect the usefulness of CP will sort that out quite well.

They've not said anything about Warlords yet, but as they're in AoS I'd assume they're here as well.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
It says you can't spend CP if you don't have any, so no negative totals.

It doesn't seem to say you ever HAVE to spend them, either.

Well, yeah, you can choose not to spend them, what's your point?

My point is there's nothing to indicate you can't go negative. Just because you don't have the points means you can't use them. You don't NEED to use CP, so you don't NEED to have the points, until we see otherwise.

It will probably be like AoS where you can make an army from all the different armies in Order but focusing your list into one subfaction grants the more potent synergies etc.

Do we know what comes up for pre-order tomorrow?

 Red Corsair wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Harlequins getting hq or taking them donks your cp? All seem to require hq...

Your assuming none of the harlie characters moved to HQ though.

No i didn't. Check the bolded.

Either they get hq or they are -1cp per choice which would be very punishing.

tneva82 wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Harlequins getting hq or taking them donks your cp? All seem to require hq...

Your assuming none of the harlie characters moved to HQ though.

No i didn't. Check the bolded.

Either they get hq or they are -1cp per choice which would be very punishing.

If you check out the webstore, Harlies list the Triumvarate of Ynnead as HQs, so you may be able to take one of those characters as an HQ. Very limiting though.

Requizen wrote:
I wonder what the tournament scene will look like. Unlimited number of detachments? 3 or something max? I'm betting we'll see a cap after a year or so if GW hasn't introduced one themselves.

Doubt gw starts to give any hardcoded x detachment per 1000 pts style rule