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 docdoom77 wrote:

changemod wrote:
No seriously, did I miss bonus attack for charging or is it just not there anymore?

I think it's been replaced by going first. Which is fine, but I sure hope Orks still have a Furious Charge equivalent, or they're gonna have some lackluster charges.

Two base attacks (unless that changes, but I don't see it dropping) plus one from a choppa, (plus a pistol shot) isn't bad. Going first makes a huge difference (especially the Klaws).

Hmm. Transport rules don't mention anything about Access Points (you just put embarked units within 3" of the transport vehicle, not anything specific as to where) or what happens if a vehicle is surrounded by the enemy and destroyed (just mentions that if the vehicle is destroyed, on a 1 the occupant dies after being set up).

Could be that if the enemy models cannot be set up around the perimeter of the destroyed vehicle because then they would be within 1" of enemy models (and then not eligible for being set up) then that would effectively destroy them...

Also, I have yet to see anything about vehicles exploding and affecting nearby units. I wonder if explosion damage still even happens.

Yeah, let's be honest: this was mediocre but not as bad as you guys want to paint it. In so far I saw no mentions of multilasers nor any side invoking their spiritual liege. Nothing great, let's not kid ourselves but that looks like it's an introductory blurb of something that would actually develop more properly rather than proper "fluff" (it just says it happened doesn't expand on it).

I'm currently working my way through the Black Library Horus Heresy series of novels.

Then I read this BA material.

The experience was... jarring.

Obviously you expect a quality difference between novels and game book fluff, but even so...

 Kirasu wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Poor Tyranids... feeded to Khorne:

Spoiler:

What a coincidence how great losses all chapters receive now that you can have Super better Primaris Marines, eh?

This is quite possibly the worst fluff gw has ever written.

Its not good but its better than much of the stuff in the Grey Kinghts Codex or Murder Mc Murder from planet murder............hell its better than the constant "blood" this and Blood that in previous BA codex.

Sadly it is another Marines, Marines, Marines, Marines - oh and its about Marines. Yeah its about Baal but then Cadia had plenty of other factions.....

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 GrimTeef wrote:
Hmm. Transport rules don't mention anything about Access Points (you just put embarked units within 3" of the transport vehicle, not anything specific as to where) or what happens if a vehicle is surrounded by the enemy and destroyed (just mentions that if the vehicle is destroyed, on a 1 the occupant dies after being set up).

Could be that if the enemy models cannot be set up around the perimeter of the destroyed vehicle because then they would be within 1" of enemy models (and then not eligible for being set up) then that would effectively destroy them...

Also, I have yet to see anything about vehicles exploding and affecting nearby units. I wonder if explosion damage still even happens.

Yep that works - you can't deploy them - they die.

I doubt normal vehicles explode.

 Kirasu wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Poor Tyranids... feeded to Khorne:

Spoiler:

What a coincidence how great losses all chapters receive now that you can have Super better Primaris Marines, eh?

This is quite possibly the worst fluff gw has ever written.

Not worst but, is that it? I mean we had an excellent 2 book campaign in Shield of Baal leading up to this and 4 paragraphs is all we get?

 JohnnyHell wrote:
I like that the points aren't all round 5s, 10s etc. I trust non-round numbers more than conveniently rounded ones!

When most Squads are still in groups of five, you still end up with the same result. The characters deviate from that though.

I gotta say, I have the odd numbers, but I will survive.

changemod wrote:

jcd386 wrote:

changemod wrote:
No seriously, did I miss bonus attack for charging or is it just not there anymore?

I think you just get to attack first instead.

BlaxicanX wrote:

changemod wrote:
No seriously, did I miss bonus attack for charging or is it just not there anymore?

The general assumption is that there is no universal charge bonus other then hitting first. The only units that will get an attack bonus for charging are those who have it as a special rule.

Then I really hope they frequently raised the base attacks of assault units or bonus charge attacks are -really- common, because otherwise that along with the no bonus for two weapons thing is a major game-wide nerf to assault.

It is a nerf compared the old rules if you only look at those two things, but there are also a lot of new things (vehicles can assault, units can fall back out of assault, a lot of the weapons do different things, etc).

It will definitely be different, but if anything i think assault will be more tactical and interesting.

 Imateria wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Poor Tyranids... feeded to Khorne:

Spoiler:

What a coincidence how great losses all chapters receive now that you can have Super better Primaris Marines, eh?

This is quite possibly the worst fluff gw has ever written.

Not worst but, is that it? I mean we had an excellent 2 book campaign in Shield of Baal leading up to this and 4 paragraphs is all we get?

Perhaps a campaign book that lets you play it out in your way will come out.

 rollawaythestone wrote:
We don't yet know how much Tacticals cost.

yes we do, 13 points, per GW

The imperial guard can take so much in a single troop choice I can't see any reason for them not to build their armies in vanguard, spearhead or out rider. They have great unit choices in all three of these slots.

changemod wrote:

jcd386 wrote:

changemod wrote:
No seriously, did I miss bonus attack for charging or is it just not there anymore?

I think you just get to attack first instead.

BlaxicanX wrote:

changemod wrote:
No seriously, did I miss bonus attack for charging or is it just not there anymore?

The general assumption is that there is no universal charge bonus other then hitting first. The only units that will get an attack bonus for charging are those who have it as a special rule.

Then I really hope they frequently raised the base attacks of assault units or bonus charge attacks are -really- common, because otherwise that along with the no bonus for two weapons thing is a major game-wide nerf to assault.

Can't be a nerf because nerf is a relative value and we don't have a baseline yet. This is not 7th+ it's an entirely new game (pretty much) and things like this are apples to oranges.

 Rippy wrote:
Please take the "Primaris weapons use Tau tech" to a new thread

you need to goto the hospital

 Lockark wrote:
The imperial guard can take so much in a single troop choice I can't see any reason for them not to build their armies in vanguard, spearhead or out rider. They have great unit choices in all three of these slots.

I think guard will be among a few of the only factions that can fill out the batallion FOC, which gives a wopping 9 CPs, so I can see guard commanders aiming for that.

My all Lootaz army is now legally possible.

*salivates*

ERJAK wrote:

changemod wrote:

jcd386 wrote:

changemod wrote:
No seriously, did I miss bonus attack for charging or is it just not there anymore?

I think you just get to attack first instead.

BlaxicanX wrote:

changemod wrote:
No seriously, did I miss bonus attack for charging or is it just not there anymore?

The general assumption is that there is no universal charge bonus other then hitting first. The only units that will get an attack bonus for charging are those who have it as a special rule.

Then I really hope they frequently raised the base attacks of assault units or bonus charge attacks are -really- common, because otherwise that along with the no bonus for two weapons thing is a major game-wide nerf to assault.

Can't be a nerf because nerf is a relative value and we don't have a baseline yet. This is not 7th+ it's an entirely new game (pretty much) and things like this are apples to oranges.

It has an absurdly long list of legacy stats and rules, so a particularly sweeping change can have pretty predictable effects.

I hope Plasmaguns are basically shorter ranged, lower AP versions of the Plasma Incinerator. 24", Str 7, AP -3, with the same Overcharge ability. If they keep the same AP, I will be okay with it though.

Don't think plasma guns will have an overcharge ability.

I wager 24" rapid fire 1 Str 7 Ap -4 with always-on "gets-hot"

The fact the new incinerators don't blow up ALL the time is the upgrade.

 Binabik15 wrote:
Re: awesome Nurgle art

Are those things in the lower left the full gribblies to the rumour engine pic of many chubby feet? Yum.

Wonder if those are new Beasts of Nurgle?

 davou wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Please take the "Primaris weapons use Tau tech" to a new thread

you need to goto the hospital

I am at the hospital. In the waiting room. 2 hours later.


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Loving that new Nurgle/Ultramarine art, great indication of what DG might be getting shortly after launch.

 Rippy wrote:

 davou wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Please take the "Primaris weapons use Tau tech" to a new thread

you need to goto the hospital

I am at the hospital. In the waiting room. 2 hours later.


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Loving that new Nurgle/Ultramarine art, great indication of what DG might be getting shortly after launch.

As a fellow dad, hope the best for you and the family - never fun with kids at the hospital.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I hope Plasmaguns are basically shorter ranged, lower AP versions of the Plasma Incinerator. 24", Str 7, AP -3, with the same Overcharge ability. If they keep the same AP, I will be okay with it though.

I think you have the right of it, and it tracks the recent boost from Bolter to Bolt Rifle after getting the Cawl Treatment: +6" range, -1 AP

I'm hoping that the Tau Plasma Rifle remains distinguished for its reliability (albeit at lower raw output) - something like Rapid Fire 1, 24" S6 AP-3 D2.

I'd rather have AP-4 too, but I think that unlikely (Primaris Marines gotta primaris).

Thanks for collecting all this. Really busy right now but looks like some solid info about the workings are coming clear.

What goes up for pre-order tomorrow?

 Eldarain wrote:

What goes up for pre-order tomorrow?

Nothing for 40k... all of that is the following Saturday

So if your playing a open imperial faction army does that mean you can buy any imperial transport for any imperial unit? Land raiders for ogryn, chimerias for space marines, etc?

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I'm currently working my way through the Black Library Horus Heresy series of novels.

Then I read this BA material.

The experience was... jarring.

Obviously you expect a quality difference between novels and game book fluff, but even so...

And you see why the Black Legion codex supplement fluff was so good compared to any other codexes or supplement, its was written by ADB.

They should hire their best BL novelist to make Fluff in codexes honestly...

 Eldarain wrote:
Thanks for collecting all this. Really busy right now but looks like some solid info about the workings are coming clear.

What goes up for pre-order tomorrow?

Lord of the Rings and Blood Bowl.

 Lockark wrote:
So if your playing a open imperial faction army does that mean you can buy any imperial transport for any imperial unit? Land raiders for ogryn, chimerias for space marines, etc?

You can buy, but you probably can't use as I expect that transports work using keywords.

Tyran wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
So if your playing a open imperial faction army does that mean you can buy any imperial transport for any imperial unit? Land raiders for ogryn, chimerias for space marines, etc?

You can buy, but you probably can't use as I expect that transports work using keywords.

You could play an Imperial Faction, and take Ogryn elites and space marine drop pods I suppose.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
Thanks for collecting all this. Really busy right now but looks like some solid info about the workings are coming clear.

What goes up for pre-order tomorrow?

Lord of the Rings and Blood Bowl.

Are you serious? Only this?! This has to be the worst pre-order week in... GW history