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Blood Angels Primaris Marines. I approve!

Justyn wrote:

Would work better with a group of vehicles, Imagine 3-4 Rhinos forming a shield wall for a small army, assuming you would need to leave a small window open still.

Wouldn't it be better to have your Rhino's charge first to soak the overwatch? Since you can't move through your wall of Rhinos.


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=EDIT= actually, reading the rules, Overwatch doesn't mention needing line of sight, i suppose they just take their shots when they are just a few feet from their faces,
However, they cant shoot overwatch if an enemy is within 1" so you could use your vehicle more as a ram, getting into 1 inch, and denying any further overwatch on troops...

Overwatch uses all the rules for shooting normally in the shooting phase other than you always need a 6 to hit. So range and line of sight matter. Range is also very important, because if you can make longer than normal charge distances you can deny overwatch to flamer weapons.

From the current rules leaks it seems like a unit gets limitless overwatch for any unit that declares a charge against it so there isn't really a strategy to "soak" overwatch anymore.

 buddha wrote:

Justyn wrote:

Would work better with a group of vehicles, Imagine 3-4 Rhinos forming a shield wall for a small army, assuming you would need to leave a small window open still.

Wouldn't it be better to have your Rhino's charge first to soak the overwatch? Since you can't move through your wall of Rhinos.


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=EDIT= actually, reading the rules, Overwatch doesn't mention needing line of sight, i suppose they just take their shots when they are just a few feet from their faces,
However, they cant shoot overwatch if an enemy is within 1" so you could use your vehicle more as a ram, getting into 1 inch, and denying any further overwatch on troops...

Overwatch uses all the rules for shooting normally in the shooting phase other than you always need a 6 to hit. So range and line of sight matter. Range is also very important, because if you can make longer than normal charge distances you can deny overwatch to flamer weapons.

From the current rules leaks it seems like a unit gets limitless overwatch for any unit that declares a charge against it so there isn't really a strategy to "soak" overwatch anymore.

Untill a unit actually make the required distance and locks them in combat (Like a vehicle), if the 1st unit make the charge, the 2nd and 3rd wont suffer overwatch

 buddha wrote:

Justyn wrote:

Would work better with a group of vehicles, Imagine 3-4 Rhinos forming a shield wall for a small army, assuming you would need to leave a small window open still.

Wouldn't it be better to have your Rhino's charge first to soak the overwatch? Since you can't move through your wall of Rhinos.


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=EDIT= actually, reading the rules, Overwatch doesn't mention needing line of sight, i suppose they just take their shots when they are just a few feet from their faces,
However, they cant shoot overwatch if an enemy is within 1" so you could use your vehicle more as a ram, getting into 1 inch, and denying any further overwatch on troops...

Overwatch uses all the rules for shooting normally in the shooting phase other than you always need a 6 to hit. So range and line of sight matter. Range is also very important, because if you can make longer than normal charge distances you can deny overwatch to flamer weapons.

From the current rules leaks it seems like a unit gets limitless overwatch for any unit that declares a charge against it so there isn't really a strategy to "soak" overwatch anymore.

They only get multiple overwatch if they haven't been engaged.
It is totally viable to have a tank / cannon fodder take the overwatch hits, engage them, and for the more damaging units close in.

From the current rules leaks it seems like a unit gets limitless overwatch for any unit that declares a charge against it so there isn't really a strategy to "soak" overwatch anymore.

As long as no one makes it within an inch they do. As soon as one model makes it within an inch, no more overwatch.

Doh, slow typer. Beaten twice.

 theharrower wrote:
Blood Angels Primaris Marines. I approve!

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Wow, that Dreadnought is starting to look a little underwhelming...
Was this a GW painted army?

I thought they said there would be Primaris Dreadnoughts in an early post somewhere,
if so, guess they wont have a new model on launch

No word on more models on release. Mortarion and all the extra models will likely come afterwards.

A primaris dreadnought is definitely coming and probably a new flyer too. A rumour I saw a while ago was that we would get a full deathguard release in the summer and a full primaris release in the autumn.

 SirDalavar wrote:

 theharrower wrote:
Blood Angels Primaris Marines. I approve!

Spoiler:

Wow, that Dreadnought is starting to look a little underwhelming...
Was this a GW painted army?

I thought they said there would be Primaris Dreadnoughts in an early post somewhere,
if so, guess they wont have a new model on launch

They did say that but based on the starter set not even being out yet it`s not likely that they have other stuff ready to go

Genestealer Cults are up.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/27/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-genestealer-cults/


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 SirDalavar wrote:

 theharrower wrote:
Blood Angels Primaris Marines. I approve!

Spoiler:

Wow, that Dreadnought is starting to look a little underwhelming...
Was this a GW painted army?

I thought they said there would be Primaris Dreadnoughts in an early post somewhere,
if so, guess they wont have a new model on launch

Yes. Here's a better pic.

Normal marines next to them look hilarious.

I like how they have old Marines behind them so you can see how Pathetic and Weak they look compared to Primaris. Time to go watch Soldier again.

Chucking demo charges from a Rockgrinder just got lots more powerful now that there's no scatter!

I think the dathaseet for the Plague Marines has all the weapon options because is the same dathaseet for the old Plague Marines models. I still believe the rest of the dathaseets are only for the models in the starter set.


And: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/27/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-genestealer-cults/

Justyn wrote:
I like how they have old Marines behind them so you can see how Pathetic and Weak they look compared to Primaris. Time to go watch Soldier again.

I think that's kind of unfair phrasing: It's more that you can see how poorly the two scales look together in the same army.

I'm really hoping that many more vehicles get rules like the rockgrinder, where it they are embarked, they get more weapons to fire.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Chucking demo charges from a Rockgrinder just got lots more powerful now that there's no scatter!

Also rock grinders as a whole got a lot better in that they're actually viable transports now rather than just support vehicles. Not much point sticking someone in a non-assault transport if you can just cult ambush after all.

changemod wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Chucking demo charges from a Rockgrinder just got lots more powerful now that there's no scatter!

Also rock grinders as a whole got a lot better in that they're actually viable transports now rather than just support vehicles. Not much point sticking someone in a non-assault transport if you can just cult ambush after all.

Great point! The army should function as it always wanted to!


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 Coyote81 wrote:
I'm really hoping that many more vehicles get rules like the rockgrinder, where it they are embarked, they get more weapons to fire.

There's the Chimera's terrifying 6 lasguns!!! Don't forget, they can now kill Land Raiders!

I think that's kind of unfair phrasing: It's more that you can see how poorly the two scales look together in the same army.

Yeah my tone of voice didn't carry well over the internet. If you have never watched Soldier with Kurt Russel do so if you get a chance. That will carry my intended tone much better.

I like the models for the Primaris Marines. I intend to use tons of the cheap starter set ones to make True Scale Marines. Like many others though, I find the fluff kinda dumb. Not so much that Cawl/Guilliman made an improved Marine in improved armor with improved weapons. But that they also are BIGGER, and BETTERER, and everyone else was taking massive casualties. Its all very forced.

I hope that there will be Primaris Beakies.

Justyn wrote:

I think that's kind of unfair phrasing: It's more that you can see how poorly the two scales look together in the same army.

Yeah my tone of voice didn't carry well over the internet. If you have never watched Soldier with Kurt Russel do so if you get a chance. That will carry my intended tone much better.

I like the models for the Primaris Marines. I intend to use tons of the cheap starter set ones to make True Scale Marines. Like many others though, I find the fluff kinda dumb. Not so much that Cawl/Guilliman made an improved Marine in improved armor with improved weapons. But that they also are BIGGER, and BETTERER, and everyone else was taking massive casualties. Its all very forced.

Its a conspiracy!,
Primaris are only given out as replacements when needed,
So various chapter masters, (who may or may not be corrupted by chaos), are intentionally sacrificing their lesser brothers in favor of their more superior cousins... its conspiracy i say!

I can't wait to get my hands on the Primes. The models are just fantastic!

No idea what chapter I'll do though.

changemod wrote:

Justyn wrote:
I like how they have old Marines behind them so you can see how Pathetic and Weak they look compared to Primaris. Time to go watch Soldier again.

I think that's kind of unfair phrasing: It's more that you can see how poorly the two scales look together in the same army.

I'm actually kind of glad the new background is so guff to my taste, I can't imagine how hilarious a truescale Primaris conversion would look after I use the Primaris to make truescale Marines

No idea what chapter I'll do though.

I was thinking about doing Luna Wolves or something. I mean the geneseed was just sitting there for Guilliman to use...

So, did we not get a regular article today? Just a faction focus?

Justyn wrote:

No idea what chapter I'll do though.

I was thinking about doing Luna Wolves or something. I mean the geneseed was just sitting there for Guilliman to use...

Don't laugh but...I'm kinda tempted by the Rainbow warriors!

Whatever floats your boat. Too blue for me.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Don't laugh but...I'm kinda tempted by the Rainbow warriors!

As much of an in-joke as they may be, the Rainbow Warriors certainly look fine and they have a bitchin' Chapter symbol.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
As much of an in-joke as they may be, the Rainbow Warriors certainly look fine and they have a bitchin' Chapter symbol.

It was that symbol that drew my attention. Plus, I like the stripes.

The other chapter was the Raptors. Pretty different.

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
As much of an in-joke as they may be, the Rainbow Warriors certainly look fine and they have a bitchin' Chapter symbol.

It was that symbol that drew my attention. Plus, I like the stripes.

The other chapter was the Raptors. Pretty different.

I'm doing Raptors. Love them.