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 Crimson wrote:

changemod wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Why do Primaris even have Dreadnoughts? They're intended to preserve culture and tactical experience, right? Any Marine inside a Primaris Dreadnought right now was pretty much born yesterday and killed in his first mission. Truly worth saving!

Devil's advocate since I'm on record disliking all this stuff but see a justification here regardless:

Nobody said that you need to be primaris to be interred in a Redemptor, just that Cawl made a new dreadnought design to go with the rest of his project.

In fact I can't imagine it matters in the slightest what kind of marine you are to be interred in whatever dreadnought chassis, so long as you have a black carapace to interface with it.

This.

But this idea that the primaris are all newbies keeps constantly coming up. It is not true! They said that existing marines can be upgraded into primaris. Some of the officercs/NCOs shown have service studs. They're not newbies.

I think they're likely to have fluff that at least some of the Redemptors are older dreadnoughts that have been upgraded. Look at the top part of the sarcophagus. To me, it appears that this is the exact same as the the current dreadnought. It's just layered over with a bunch of additional armor plating. In some of the shots, you can even see that it appears there's a crux terminatus symbol on the front of the upper sarcophagus that's partially obscured by that armored collar. I think it's supposed to look like a standard dreadnought core integrated into a new design. My guess is that the old dreadnought sarcophagus and all the associated life-support systems of the old design is supposed to be plug-and-play with this new dread.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 theharrower wrote:
From L'Astropate on Facebook.

Aw, isn't that cute? Dreadnought looks like he's wearing metal diapers.

They... They made the angry washing machine... Worse?

How do you do that? Do you ban your sculptors from seeing what Forge World makes?

Or just tell them "do the opposite"?

To be fair, forgeworld are the ones who decided it would be cool to make a boat with legs and hilariously oversized guns.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Why do Primaris even have Dreadnoughts? They're intended to preserve culture and tactical experience, right? Any Marine inside a Primaris Dreadnought right now was pretty much born yesterday and killed in his first mission. Truly worth saving!

While its being released along side them its not a Primaris exclusive dread? The sarcophagus is the same style as the one on the current box dread so its probably a "regular" Marine(or what's left of one) inside. Really I think that while the full Primaris dex will allow you to make a viable army solo, its essentially going to be vol2 of Codex Space marines.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Why do Primaris even have Dreadnoughts? They're intended to preserve culture and tactical experience, right? Any Marine inside a Primaris Dreadnought right now was pretty much born yesterday and killed in his first mission. Truly worth saving!

While its being released along side them its not a Primaris exclusive dread? The sarcophagus is the same style as the one on the current box dread so its probably a "regular" Marine(or what's left of one) inside. Really I think that while the full Primaris dex will allow you to make a viable army solo, its essentially going to be vol2 of Codex Space marines.

again, its possible the primaris have veterans from closed and secret battlefield tests.

 lord marcus wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Why do Primaris even have Dreadnoughts? They're intended to preserve culture and tactical experience, right? Any Marine inside a Primaris Dreadnought right now was pretty much born yesterday and killed in his first mission. Truly worth saving!

While its being released along side them its not a Primaris exclusive dread? The sarcophagus is the same style as the one on the current box dread so its probably a "regular" Marine(or what's left of one) inside. Really I think that while the full Primaris dex will allow you to make a viable army solo, its essentially going to be vol2 of Codex Space marines.

again, its possible the primaris have veterans from closed and secret battlefield tests.

Or the Vets are upgraded normal Marines that already had Vet status.

When you only have 20,000 of them to start with any that can be plugged into the box on legs and keep fighting are essential.

I imagine we will see old dreads having their sarcophagus transferred to these new dreads as well.

Makes way for characters like Bjorn to not get "invalidated".

The Redemptor Dread is quite similarly to a Jes Goodwin sketch from 20 years ago (from the book The Gothic and the Eldritch Collected Sketches of Jes Goodwin)






upload pic

Creds to Trevor Goddard on FB

Didn't they say Goodwin did some work on the Primarii?

 Rippy wrote:
I imagine we will see old dreads having their sarcophagus transferred to these new dreads as well.

Makes way for characters like Bjorn to not get "invalidated".

If Bjorn wanted to be in a contemptor or a leviathan he'd be in a contemptor or a leviathan. He's the Imperium's most decorated ancient and could have whatever chassis he likes.

And that sketch looks infinitely better than what we ended up with. Much better balance of proportions.

The dread reminds me of a blue Ork for some reason...


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changemod wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
I imagine we will see old dreads having their sarcophagus transferred to these new dreads as well.

Makes way for characters like Bjorn to not get "invalidated".

If Bjorn wanted to be in a contemptor or a leviathan he'd be in a contemptor or a leviathan. He's the Imperium's most decorated ancient and could have whatever chassis he likes.

And that sketch looks infinitely better than what we ended up with. Much better balance of proportions.

Pretty sure Brey'arth would like a word.

So my point stands changemod, I really wouldn't be surprised if Bjorn gets a new dread model.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Didn't they say Goodwin did some work on the Primarii?

The new dread was sculpted by Tom Walton from a design by Jes as was the imperial knight.
Jes doesn't do any physical sculpting any more but he does pretty much all the design work.
I am sure we will his sketch of this soon as we did for Cawl and roboute.

 Rippy wrote:
So my point stands changemod, I really wouldn't be surprised if Bjorn gets a new dread model.

I'd be utterly shocked, his new model is about a year and a half, maybe two years old and part of a multi-build kit unlikely to replaced any time soon.

If he doesn't want to be a leviathan, he almost certainly doesn't want to be Cawl's approximation of one.

 adamsouza wrote:
Some new tech on GWs part with clear and grey polystyrene on the same sprue. Nifty

New for GW but not new in the slightest. Bandai have been doing that for years. Every powertool with a soft overmould grip (which is almost all of them now) uses the same process as well.

Chikout wrote:

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Didn't they say Goodwin did some work on the Primarii?

The new dread was sculpted by Tom Walton from a design by Jes as was the imperial knight.
Jes doesn't do any physical sculpting any more but he does pretty much all the design work.
I am sure we will his sketch of this soon as we did for Cawl and roboute.

I'm sure that they said he worked on the marines.

Chikout wrote:

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Didn't they say Goodwin did some work on the Primarii?

The new dread was sculpted by Tom Walton from a design by Jes as was the imperial knight.
Jes doesn't do any physical sculpting any more but he does pretty much all the design work.
I am sure we will his sketch of this soon as we did for Cawl and roboute.

Last model I remember Jes getting credit for was the Eldar flyer. It was commented in the WD that when they scanned the master into the computer they were shocked at how nearly perfectly symetrical it was despite being made by hand.

On the whole, I'm not terribly impressed with much of the new Primaris stuff. I do like the Bolt Rifles the Intercessors carry, and the Plasma Incinerators of the Hellblasters, but the rest of the stuff I can do without. But, as I don't play SM, it's really a moot point.

The DG stuff, apart from the overabundance of bells on the Plague Caster, is solid. Would like to have seen better rules for them, but we know they can't outshine the new Poster Boys. I can't say that I see T5 w/ FnP - sorry, 'Disgustingly Resilient' - being all that in the edition where 'everything dies - quickly'. I could be wrong, however, but that's my initial impression. I look forward to seeing their multi-pose plastic kits that are sure to be hitting soon after 8th drops.

I'm definitely happy with the rules I'm seeing for the game. Looks like things are going to play much more smooth now, and with less wonky interactions.

DR as a major advantage over the old FnP: it can negate ANY wound. FnP couldn't negate ID wounds.

That means that even mortal wounds have a chance of being shrugged off, giving Nurgley units a chance to live when faced with things that would kill others (wounds caused by Smite for example).

Jes said himself in his interview on warhammer that he could not learn how to use CAD, which is what the designers use exclusively now (though trainees still need to be able to sculpt physically.) His design sketches are copied very closely by the other designers, however, so the balance of the model is almost certainly down to him

According to the Warhammer fest videos, DG seem to have faired well against the Primadonna marines at the demo tables.

Brey'arth

Bjorn says Johnny come lately can stuff it.

CaptainSomas wrote:
According to the Warhammer fest videos, DG seem to have faired well against the Primadonna marines at the demo tables.

Primadonna! I like it.

Justyn wrote:

Brey'arth

Bjorn says Johnny come lately can stuff it.

lol pretty sure Brey'arth was already a Dreadnought, wrought by Vulkan himself, before even the great betrayal and the drop site massacre.

Thank you for sharing this! The first sketch dreadnaught is pretty cool. Very well proportioned.

This should answer some questions we had regarding the dice and gauche last week

Via Miniwars





And more painted Marines photos

lol pretty sure Brey'arth was already a Dreadnought, wrought by Vulkan himself, before even the great betrayal and the drop site massacre.

Then you might be wrong. Although the Dreadnought was wrought by Vulkan himself, Brey'arth was only interred in it in 755.M41. He is quite young when compared with the likes of Bjorn. Hence my original comment.

changemod wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
So my point stands changemod, I really wouldn't be surprised if Bjorn gets a new dread model.

I'd be utterly shocked, his new model is about a year and a half, maybe two years old and part of a multi-build kit unlikely to replaced any time soon.

If he doesn't want to be a leviathan, he almost certainly doesn't want to be Cawl's approximation of one.

Yeah, I guess I wouldn't expect Bjorn to be swapped out in the next year or so, but maybe just after that.

Also you are confusing "Bjorn doesn't want a Leviathan chassis" with "Games Workshop want him to be one of their models, not a Forge World one"

Warhams-77 wrote:
This should answer some questions we had regarding the dice and gauche last week

Via Miniwars

wow that raises more questions than answers. Pinned and Gone to Ground are not in the core rules we've seen, and Deep Strike isn't a condition anymore.

Love those dice counters and distance gage, look really handy. I'll definitely be picking those up and I don't even expect to be playing 8th Ed. in the next year.