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Lorex wrote:
Oh 103... How do they work

Expensive deep strike ability to any squad.

Does make me wonder if there's SOMETHING to mark them out. All deep strikes are now even more reliable than 7th ed drop pod so those bonuses got lost. But 103 pts is kinda lot to give deep strike to one squad. Though albeit objective contesting still works but even for that expensive.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
So termites are 2 wounds, 26 points

Without weapons

Hmm. 10 Man Las/Plas Tac Squad in a Rhino is about 250 pts

That actually seems pricey. Granted that squad isn't the ideal squad for a transport, but that's not really the point. Assault-y squads will be that much or more. Interesting.

AC/HB Predator has gone up a ton too, but that's the new Pred AC stats I guess. The LC/LC variant is over 200 pts. Oh my.

Almost everyone's getting leaks but us :(

Ninja clowns need love too!

Anyway, what's people's opinion on the Kroot? Are they any different compared to before in terms of viability?

No heavy support on there, do we have that?

Any word on Guard and Dark Eldar? I think they are the only major factions that haven't gotten any leaks today

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Generic CCWs are getting the +1 aatack option it seems to balance out the loss of the pistol+ccw bonus attack. So now you can take cheap quantity, or more expensive quality on your attacks.

That's a bit of a leap you took there. My guess is the combat blade was treated the same as a chainsword otherwise it would shaft combat scouts royally.

Edit: I was wrong

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
So termites are 2 wounds, 26 points

Without weapons

48 with stormbolter and powerfist? Ouccccch.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
No heavy support on there, do we have that?

They were leaked further up with Flyers and Named Characters.

Edit: Wow, the SM Command Tanks are 400 pts without their gear. I wonder what they will be with their gear?!

 Robin5t wrote:
Almost everyone's getting leaks but us :(

Ninja clowns need love too!

Anyway, what's people's opinion on the Kroot? Are they any different compared to before in terms of viability?

As someone that cares a lot about the 'Nids it's a little surprising they've not leaked the whole Eldar lot, considering Tau and the base Marine/BA pages have gone out already

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
So termites are 2 wounds, 26 points and get 4 shots now!? Geez, gw heard my prayers and then some.

Considering it says with wargear and storm bolter+powerfist are priced at 22 points just by themselves, assume the price per model is just for the stat line. Which would put the terminators at 48 points each.

This has to be the first 40k edition with so big point increases in so many things. I like it. 40k was reaching a point where Space Marines were a horde army.

Plus: Ebay is gonna be flooded with Drop pods, rinos and razorbacks

So, if I am reading those charts correctly a Stormraven with Twin Linked Multi-melta, Twin Linked Assault cannon and Missiles and Hurricane Bolters is 172+54+35+4+4+24 = 293 pts?

That seems quite a jump up in points from 200.

And wow, can someone make sure the guys at battlescribe get a copy of the book. This method of figuring out points is going to be terrible.

As long as everything is relative point-wise, I’d not worry. We might just be fielding the armies we do now, but playing 2,500 point games.

Or putting less on the table and keeping at 1,850 or 2k. Both are OK by me.

 Nevelon wrote:
As long as everything is relative point-wise, I’d not worry. We might just be fielding the armies we do now, but playing 2,500 point games.

Or putting less on the table and keeping at 1,850 or 2k. Both are OK by me.

I can see the standard of play raising. People don't like to put less things that they want in their lists, so they'll play higger points games.

Well, that assumes there is only 1 missile launcher. The model actually has 2 on for 4 missiles. It could be 317pts if there is two launchers.

Anyone that have necron info?

Lorex wrote:
Anyone that have necron info?

This is from a page or 2 back I just copy and paste.

Necrons:

Reanimation protocols are made at the start of your movement phase. Roll a D6 for every slain model, on a 5+ it comes back. You can roll again in the following turns. You cannot roll if the whole unit is slain.
Living metal allows for automatically regaining lost wounds
Basic Gauss is 24" Rapid Fire **Ap-2**,
GaussCannon is Ap-3 Dmg
Discipline 10
Warriors cost unchanged form 7th.
Monolith M6" W20 S8 T8 Save3+,
Gauss Flux Arc Heavy 3 S5 Ap-2,
Whip Heavy 6 S8 Ap-2
DmgD6. When it gets charged, roll on a D6 and if
4+ (or worse, depending on wounds lost)
charging unit gets D6 mortal wounds.

 Galas wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
As long as everything is relative point-wise, I’d not worry. We might just be fielding the armies we do now, but playing 2,500 point games.

Or putting less on the table and keeping at 1,850 or 2k. Both are OK by me.

I can see the standard of play raising. People don't like to put less things that they want in their lists, so they'll play higger points games.

I am guessing that 2K will be the bog standard (why 1750 or 1850 were ever the norm is beyond me). If 1500 can be played in 90 minutes, 2000 should take about two hours, which is fine by me.

Complete re-balance of the game means old worries and perspectives are irrelevant until we see them play out. Plus it looks like 2K is the new 1500pts of 7th so the price increases will be commiserate with increased game size.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
As long as everything is relative point-wise, I’d not worry. We might just be fielding the armies we do now, but playing 2,500 point games.

Or putting less on the table and keeping at 1,850 or 2k. Both are OK by me.

I can see the standard of play raising. People don't like to put less things that they want in their lists, so they'll play higger points games.

I am guessing that 2K will be the bog standard (why 1750 or 1850 were ever the norm is beyond me). If 1500 can be played in 90 minutes, 2000 should take about two hours, which is fine by me.

Yeah i know about this. Byt just wonder IF anyone have pix like in the marine book.

 Nevelon wrote:
As long as everything is relative point-wise, I’d not worry. We might just be fielding the armies we do now, but playing 2,500 point games.

Or putting less on the table and keeping at 1,850 or 2k. Both are OK by me.

Actually this would be good move on my books. Frankly what I would have done is like double the price of everything(including standard size) and tweak balance from there.

Why? More room to manouver. Especially at the lower end. When GW has years pushed point cosrs down it gets REAL crowded there. It's hard to make weak unit and tad weaker unit and have them balanced fairly when difference between 4 and 5 pts is lot bigger than 12 and 13.

Where are the dark eldar LEAKS EMPEROR DAMN IT!

So question for anyone who has figured the point system out yet. Is the wargear cost included in the basic profile and the point sheet for additions or changes or does everyone have to pay for everything listed or added? Seems like a lot of book keeping for the latter.

 buddha wrote:
Complete re-balance of the game means old worries and perspectives are irrelevant until we see them play out. Plus it looks like 2K is the new 1500pts of 7th so the price increases will be commiserate with increased game size.

100% ^ This!

Despite the price jump, terminators are actually looking to be in a good place. At 26 points, they are twice the cost of a basic grunt marine for the body but more than twice as durable. The main expense now is that power fist, but the power fist got a massive boon with the dumping of the initiative system. But even at 48 points for a basic one, that extra wound and a lot of structural rules changes have improved the terminator. And we can't forget that a lot of things that messed it up in the last edition have lost a lot of bite against it now. Grav lost a lot of bite by no longer wounding on 2+, plasma is riskier to get the multi-damage needed to kill them. In general that second wound and lack of insta-death alongside T4 no longer being at a bad breakpoint are a big improvement to them.

So they're pricey now (about as expensive as they were at the beginning of 3rd edition, when they had no invuln. in an AP2 world) but may have finally hit the point where they can actually dish out some damage as well as taking a lot more than they did before.

At the very least, a tactical terminator squad with an assault cannon is throwing out 22 shots at 12" off the teleport. That is a big improvement from their old 12-shot wet slap in the past editions. They can now drop in, tear a nearby unit up and still potentially charge off the drop (low chance, but may be worth tossing a CP at if you are close), and it doesn't even need to be the same unit anymore. That's a big performance boost and may be worth the 247-ish points for a squad of five with an assault cannon (that sword sergeant is a real point saver!)

Balor wrote:

 buddha wrote:
Complete re-balance of the game means old worries and perspectives are irrelevant until we see them play out. Plus it looks like 2K is the new 1500pts of 7th so the price increases will be commiserate with increased game size.

100% ^ This!

yea looks to me tournaments are gonna be 2000min more like 2500
esp the streamlined rules likely faster games...

that or an adjustment to more games in a day.

certainly thinking typical PUAP club game at our place will be at least 2k prob more

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Man, if Dorn's Arrow is something like Rapid Fire 4, I will go nuts! Probably just a Storm Bolter that is MC and -1 AP.

The more of these leaks appear, the more I fear that the Relics and equivalent aren't making an appearance until the full Codex releases. We've seen the entire Tau Index section and zero Signature Systems in sight.

Rather than re-posting, here's all the SM/BA ones from before;

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334013-full-leaked-blood-angels-rules-other-space-marine-prices/