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 Megaknob wrote:
Battle wagon with 8 wounds I'm crying green tears right now.

Source? I'm fairly certainit has 16 wounds.

 Galas wrote:

 Megaknob wrote:
Battle wagon with 8 wounds I'm crying green tears right now.

What? A Battlewagon has in no way only 8 wounds.

Ninjad.

The German leak tells me otherwise take a look

Have we seen anything over T8?

 Megaknob wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 Megaknob wrote:
Battle wagon with 8 wounds I'm crying green tears right now.

What? A Battlewagon has in no way only 8 wounds.

Ninjad.

The German leak tells me otherwise take a look

Gladly. Source?

 Megaknob wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 Megaknob wrote:
Battle wagon with 8 wounds I'm crying green tears right now.

What? A Battlewagon has in no way only 8 wounds.

Ninjad.

The German leak tells me otherwise take a look

Germans use 'W' for Toughness and LP for wounds. The stats are in the same order

Wow hold up boys I was reading it like it was 7th the wounds are to the far right now it's 16 put the cleanex away boys waggghhhhhh

 Megaknob wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 Megaknob wrote:
Battle wagon with 8 wounds I'm crying green tears right now.

What? A Battlewagon has in no way only 8 wounds.

Ninjad.

The German leak tells me otherwise take a look

16 wounds.

NVM

nordsturmking wrote:
From kjolnir over at thetyranidhive forum

Hive Tyrant:

Monstrous Scything Talons: You can reroll rolls of 1 to hit when attacking with this weapon. If the weapon-bearer has more than one pair of scything talons, they can make an additional attack in close combat.
Prehensile Pincher - probably the tail biomorph? The note says, I think, you can make one attack with this weapon in place of one of your regular attacks.

Equipment Options: The Hive Tyrant can replace a pair of Scything Talons for a weapon on the monstrous bio-weapons or monstrous *can't decipher* table
The Hive Tyrant can replace two pair of Scything Talons for weapons on the same table
The Hive Tyrant can have wings. use the second movement characteristic on the table above, and gain the Fly keyword.
This model can take toxin sacs or adrenal glands.

Abilities: Shadow in the Warp
Will of the Hive Mind: A model with this ability has a 12" range for Shadow in the Warp instead of 8"
Death Throes: If this model is reduced to 0 wounds, roll a D6 before it is removed. On a 6, each unit within 3" receives D3 mortal wounds
Psychic Barrier/Shield - This model has a 5+ invulnerable Save

Psyker: The Hiv Tyrant can attempt to manifest two powers during each friendly psychic phase, and can attemt to deny the witch twice during each enemy psychic phase. I knows the power Smite and two powers from the Powers of the Hive Mind discipline.

Faction Keywords: Tyranids, <Hive Fleet>
Keywords: Character, Monster, Psyker, Hive Tyrant

here is a link to the post
http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/post/899733/thread

synapse is 12" too

Man, these are making me want to start up again!

Anyone see what go to ground does? There's a dice to mark a unit as having done it, but I don't see the effect anywhere. Possibly a scenario only rule?

If remember correctly: Units in cover that don't move 'dig in' (go to ground) for +2 save.

I hope with the imperium keyword I can still run Celestine with my templars.

 kestral wrote:
Anyone see what go to ground does? There's a dice to mark a unit as having done it, but I don't see the effect anywhere. Possibly a scenario only rule?

I'd like to believe it's for if a unit does not move, its cover bonus from being in a ruin is increased from a +1 to their Armour Save to +2 using the Cities of Death advanced rules.

Some bits from the French tyranid armory I translated

Pair of boneswords - S:User AP: -2 D:1. +1 attack
Pair of boneswords (monstrous) - s:User AP: -3 D:3. +1 attack

Scything talons - bearer rerolls 1's to hit. Pair gives +1 atk

Rending claws - s:User AP-1 D:1. 6s to wound are AP -4
Large rending claws - AP -3 d3. Reroll to wound, 6s are AP-6 and D3 (I believe these are on the broodlord)

Lash whip and bonesword - as bonesword pairs (above) but instead of +1 attack instead they allow the bearer to strike in melee even if they are killed before getting to attack that phase. Then the model is removed.

 EmperorsChampion wrote:
I hope with the imperium keyword I can still run Celestine with my templars.

Yes, you can.

 kestral wrote:
Anyone see what go to ground does? There's a dice to mark a unit as having done it, but I don't see the effect anywhere. Possibly a scenario only rule?

Haven't seen anything about that in the Core Rules leaked so far.

 Vryce wrote:


Man, I can not wait to have this in my hands. I got my pre-order in w/ my FLGS today and now it feels more real than ever. My friends and I have been discussing this, and we all agree that we haven't been this excited for a new edition ever.

Me too!

How many editions have you been playing?

I loved 2nd, hated 3rd, liked 4th and 5th, and 6th and 7th drove me out of 40K.

So, I'm...cautiously optimistic for 8th, as it looks like an...OK combo of 2nd and 3rd?

If that makes sense?

I'm REALLY looking forward to the new Primaris models though!

 Alpharius wrote:

 Vryce wrote:


Man, I can not wait to have this in my hands. I got my pre-order in w/ my FLGS today and now it feels more real than ever. My friends and I have been discussing this, and we all agree that we haven't been this excited for a new edition ever.

Me too!

How many editions have you been playing?

I loved 2nd, hated 3rd, liked 4th and 5th, and 6th and 7th drove me out of 40K.

So, I'm...cautiously optimistic for 8th, as it looks like an...OK combo of 2nd and 3rd?

If that makes sense?

I'm REALLY looking forward to the new Primaris models though!

Thats funny, thats exactly what I did. started in 2nd, quit when 3rd came out because I hated it. I came back in 4th, and like it a lot. Played in 5th and 6th, but was going down hill pretty rapidly and then come 7th, I never bothered to even play a game as I could tell from the rules how terrible it was.

I'm ready to get back into 40k for 8th, IF the things GW are proclaiming are true. Game times way down, simplified rule set, balanced game(or as much as it can be) etc etc. We'll see, i'm not going all in yet because I know how GW is since I've been dealing with them for so long, but things look brighter now than they have in the better part of a decade, so only time will tell.

Man, those GK rules look juicy. They're still gonna be expensive to run, but man, they're gonna be nasty in CC. And the fact that they don't have to pay for melee weapon upgrades except for the hammer. Interceptors can assault after teleport shunting. Oh man. Golden!

Ork points values:

http://imgur.com/a/zjUs2

 Alpharius wrote:

 Vryce wrote:


Man, I can not wait to have this in my hands. I got my pre-order in w/ my FLGS today and now it feels more real than ever. My friends and I have been discussing this, and we all agree that we haven't been this excited for a new edition ever.

Me too!

How many editions have you been playing?

I loved 2nd, hated 3rd, liked 4th and 5th, and 6th and 7th drove me out of 40K.

So, I'm...cautiously optimistic for 8th, as it looks like an...OK combo of 2nd and 3rd?

If that makes sense?

I'm REALLY looking forward to the new Primaris models though!

I think your edition history is true for many of us greybeards. Rogue trader was getting into the 40K universe background and gawking at miniatures, 2nd edition was great fun times, 3rd was a change to the worse, 4th was when the tourney scene boomed and the game was big, 5th is when it got worse and 6th and 7th were utter garbage, and 8th is when we hope for the golden days to return again. Probably a fool's hope, but it's been a roller coaster.


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 Luciferian wrote:
Ork points values:

http://imgur.com/a/zjUs2

Stompa 900. Plus weapons? GG.

Still nothing concrete on AdMech and Chaos Daemons, huh? Just bits an pieces. Why are they even posting like 1 out of 10 pages randomly?
Anyway, Daemons seem to be hit with a HUGE nerf bat.
AdMech seems to have received quite a buff. Sicarians now cost 100 pts intead of 250+ which is pretty great since they... didn't lose THAT much...

 Therion wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Vryce wrote:


Man, I can not wait to have this in my hands. I got my pre-order in w/ my FLGS today and now it feels more real than ever. My friends and I have been discussing this, and we all agree that we haven't been this excited for a new edition ever.

Me too!

How many editions have you been playing?

I loved 2nd, hated 3rd, liked 4th and 5th, and 6th and 7th drove me out of 40K.

So, I'm...cautiously optimistic for 8th, as it looks like an...OK combo of 2nd and 3rd?

If that makes sense?

I'm REALLY looking forward to the new Primaris models though!

I think your edition history is true for many of us greybeards. Rogue trader was getting into the 40K universe background and gawking at miniatures, 2nd edition was great fun times, 3rd was a change to the worse, 4th was when the tourney scene boomed and the game was big, 5th is when it got worse and 6th and 7th were utter garbage, and 8th is when we hope for the golden days to return again. Probably a fool's hope, but it's been a roller coaster.


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 Luciferian wrote:
Ork points values:

http://imgur.com/a/zjUs2

Stompa 900. Plus weapons? GG.

Stompa with supa gatler, 5 big shootas, and deffkannon is 958. Plus whatever the mega choppa costs.

But 40 wounds,..still kinda worth it.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 Therion wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Vryce wrote:


Man, I can not wait to have this in my hands. I got my pre-order in w/ my FLGS today and now it feels more real than ever. My friends and I have been discussing this, and we all agree that we haven't been this excited for a new edition ever.

Me too!

How many editions have you been playing?

I loved 2nd, hated 3rd, liked 4th and 5th, and 6th and 7th drove me out of 40K.

So, I'm...cautiously optimistic for 8th, as it looks like an...OK combo of 2nd and 3rd?

If that makes sense?

I'm REALLY looking forward to the new Primaris models though!

I think your edition history is true for many of us greybeards. Rogue trader was getting into the 40K universe background and gawking at miniatures, 2nd edition was great fun times, 3rd was a change to the worse, 4th was when the tourney scene boomed and the game was big, 5th is when it got worse and 6th and 7th were utter garbage, and 8th is when we hope for the golden days to return again. Probably a fool's hope, but it's been a roller coaster.


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 Luciferian wrote:
Ork points values:

http://imgur.com/a/zjUs2

Stompa 900. Plus weapons? GG.

Stompa with supa gatler, 5 big shootas, and deffkannon is 958. Plus whatever the mega choppa costs.

But 40 wounds,..still kinda worth it.

I wonder how that points per wound cost compares to Imperial Knights or Warhound Titans, or in smaller scale the Leviathan Dreadnoughts.

It's pretty annoying to have to wait for all of these books to be released so we can get a complete picture

All of that war gear is built into its profile to begin with or do you have to add every single weapon to every single model in your army ?

 Therion wrote:


I wonder how that points per wound cost compares to Imperial Knights or Warhound Titans, or in smaller scale the Leviathan Dreadnoughts.

It's pretty annoying to have to wait for all of these books to be released so we can get a complete picture

At this rate we'll just have to wait for the rest of them to leak in one or two days.


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 Megaknob wrote:
All of that war gear is built into its profile to begin with or do you have to add every single weapon to every single model in your army ?

You have to buy every single piece of wargear.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Vryce wrote:


Man, I can not wait to have this in my hands. I got my pre-order in w/ my FLGS today and now it feels more real than ever. My friends and I have been discussing this, and we all agree that we haven't been this excited for a new edition ever.

Me too!

How many editions have you been playing?

I loved 2nd, hated 3rd, liked 4th and 5th, and 6th and 7th drove me out of 40K.

So, I'm...cautiously optimistic for 8th, as it looks like an...OK combo of 2nd and 3rd?

If that makes sense?

I'm REALLY looking forward to the new Primaris models though!

Interesting observation and question.

Of all the editions (and I’ve seen them all) before now, I think I was most hyped about 3rd. 2nd, full of details and fiddly rules, was not particularly well suited to being a war game. At the time I was playing a lot of 5th Ed WHFB, which was the height of herohammer, and 2nd 40k echoed that. 3rd, for all it’s flaws, was a simpler, easy and fun to play wargame. Not all my gaming group made the transition, so I do acknowledge that it wasn’t for everyone. Every other edition has been a one step forward, one step back affair. Some things get fixed, others broken. So for every change I look forward to, there is something bitter tainting the edition.

IMHO 7th is sort of a low point for 40k. It was rushed out after 6th, and didn’t really fix any major problems while creating a ton more. So the drastic changes, like in 3rd, are a refreshing change. I might not agree with all of them, but the game looks good so far. It might help that I’ve actually played some AoS, so the specter of being kinda like that doesn’t scare me. In fact I think 40k will suit the system better then fantasy.

Some of the fluff I’m a little twitchy on, but I’ve been ignoring bad fluff for years.

But I’ll agree that I’ve never been as excited for a release of 40k. It might help that now, as opposed to 3rd, the internet is a little more robust. I’m not going to say leaked images back then were ASCII art over 1,200 baud modems, but it was close.

 Megaknob wrote:
All of that war gear is built into its profile to begin with or do you have to add every single weapon to every single model in your army ?

You must add every weapons BUT many of them have 0 cost.

 axisofentropy wrote:

 Megaknob wrote:
All of that war gear is built into its profile to begin with or do you have to add every single weapon to every single model in your army ?

You must add every weapons BUT many of them have 0 cost.

Well at least everything else got cheaper.