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 privateer4hire wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Hmm, I'm actually disappointed, I was hoping they could be used for truescale Plague Marines with only slight conversion....

Along those lines, how well could someone convert primaris into death guard?
Do DG have jump troops and plasma weapon devastator equivalents?

EDIT: Also have been watching several recent BATREPs for 8th.
This is really looking like a good edition for new players and returning players.

That is going to depend on the person's willingness and sculpting ability I think.. I am already contemplating sculpting robes or tabards and taking mine BT or DA

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
So is the single sprued Primaris Marine we have seen just a pre-order bonus at GW stores rather than a White Dwarf bonus? It is certainly part of one of the pre-order tiers at my local GW.

More than likely. I think it would have been a fantastic inclusion to the June White Dwarf, but that's me.

From Warhammer Community:



More information on the global campaign we've been hearing about.

Now, shall I destroy the Imperium with my KSons or my tzeentch eldar?

Just kidding, I'm going loyalist all the way. FOR THE RAVEN LORD!

Death Guard are pretty big imo,certainly very bulky

Could someone throw some of the new thousand sons in the mix too and get a picture to show them next to DG and Primaris

So they are... a little smaller than the primaris when both are standing still.

you people are so obsessed over size. Maybe you should switch to Orks.

Sorry if this has been answered already, but are GW going to release the base rules for free? Are the dataslates or whatever going to be free?

I'm fine with buying the index, but I don't really want to buy a 300 page book for a few dozen pages of rules. I'd snap up a Index priced rules only book. I just don't understand why they'd not do that.

Core rules will be free. Don't expect the advanced rules though.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Core rules will be free. Don't expect the advanced rules though.

The advanced rules are a mighty 2 pages (disregarding pictures and optional rules people never used anyway). I assume that warrants 30$ then.

I'm actually happily buying the full book for actual new fluff for the first time in a million years.

It might not be good new fluff, but at least it'll be fresh, and it's the first time in a couple of editions I've either not slightly resented buying a BRB or held on for a mini from a starter. Plus it's a more sensible price this time round too.

Are we expecting a $20-25 "normal" rulebook anytime in the future? Was that hinted or teased at all, or with the free "main rules" do we expect this will be "the" rulebook. I'd vastly prefer something smaller, but I'd be more pissed if I spent $45-50 only for a smaller rulebook to come out a month or two later.

The book quality looks nice, and fluff is great etc., but I like a paper rulebook, and I don't love the idea of a hardbound 280-page fella.

Since the 'full' book is in the starter where they've previously put the cut down version it seems a lot less likely they'll do a separate release one

but who knows I guess its possible we'll one later

(although without a ton of them kicking around from the starter it would probably not be any cheaper than the main book since you'd probably have to buy it direct from GW rather than from a bits seller on ebay who had loads to dump after breaking up starters)

The Collector's Edition includes a mini rulebook, so the printing file already exists. I'd be very surprised if we never saw it in some sort of Stormclaw/Shield of Baal/Death Masque style box.

I really hope this Fate of Konor campaign has some design work and thought put into it like the Eye of Terror campaign from 2002. I fear if it is a simple Imperial vs. Chaos tug of war bar (with Xenos activity limited to just putting in results for one or the other side), then it will be a lopsided thing since Imperial players outnumber any other faction. Without some campaign design mechanics to account or ameliorate that player number imbalance, the Imperium's victory would never be in doubt. Also, Xenos players would probably want to make a mark on the narrative through being mentioned, not just being a unmentioned speed bump or background noise. That was why in the old Eye of Terror campaign, Ork players coordinated a hit on an Imperial forge world and got themselves mentioned, instead of Andy Chambers' original idea of them being an unnamed speed bump fighting Tau expansion.

Before someone says "But each Imperial player needs a Chaos player!", if they allow submissions from players at home, then no they don't. There would be nothing stopping an Imperial vs. Imperial game being reported as an Imperial victory no matter who won, and nothing preventing people from reporting games that never happened. While cheaters might occur on all sides in equal proportion, it would still mean the more numerous side wins out due to numbers:

For example, if there are 1000 Imperial players vs. 100 Chaos players, and 10% of all players cheat and report a game they never played. That would mean 100 extra Imperial wins reported vs. an extra 10 Chaos wins, meaning 90 uncompensated for Imperial wins nudging the result.

If the Age of Sigmar campaign was any indication, I'm not exactly confident as that was a pretty straightforward steamroller by the more numerous Forces of Order.

I wouldn't get too bent out of shape about the campaign. As you said, Imperial players (and armies) vastly outnumber everyone else, and the number of marine vs marine games is huge.

I think it'd be a bigger shame to restrict the campaign to only people who play in stores. You're then cutting out all of the players that play at home, in clubs, etc simply because you're worried about players "cheating", which can happen regardless of faction.

I did just address why cheating matters even if it occurs in all factions. If each faction cheated in equal proportion, the more numerous faction still wins. Even if nobody cheats, the more numerous faction still wins in the absence of any campaign mechanics that allows the less numerous factions to win against a numerically superior opponent. The issue is not so much cheating but rather that there is a great lopsidedness in terms of faction numbers. It is hardly an interesting or suspenseful campaign if the outcome is never in doubt.

Numbers is why every single 40K worldwide campaign (bar one, the Eye of Terror) was an Imperial victory or at worst, a draw that was tipping towards Imperial victory. The Eye of Terror campaign mechanics were unique in that there was a way for the less numerous side to gain an advantage, and simple brute force number of reported wins wasn't the only thing determining who won in a particular warzone. The Eye of Terror campaign also somewhat addressed the issue of home vs. verified store reported wins, by having the store reported wins count for more.

 Kirasu wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Core rules will be free. Don't expect the advanced rules though.

The advanced rules are a mighty 2 pages (disregarding pictures and optional rules people never used anyway). I assume that warrants 30$ then.

A little disingenuous considering there are 36 pages of useful stuff from that point on.

People is gonna cheat. Nobody should take this "global campaings" as seriously as many do. Is a excuse to play games and have fun.

If people get angry because of the results of this event, even if there are people cheating, is doing it wrong.

 JimOnMars wrote:
you people are so obsessed over size. Maybe you should switch to Orks.

Or Slaanesh.



More on topic though, talking to my FLGS manager, apparently store owners will report results to help decrease potential cheating like what happened during the 13th Black Crusade global campaign.

To be fair, the campaign should be results only from games held in a GW store. It's sucks if you aren't close to a GW to get your results collected, but it doesn't mean that you can't play and enjoy the campaign anyway.

Edit: actually, any store manager who stocks GW products would work.

 Rippy wrote:
To be fair, the campaign should be results only from games held in a GW store. It's sucks if you aren't close to a GW to get your results collected, but it doesn't mean that you can't play and enjoy the campaign anyway.

Edit: actually, any store manager who stocks GW products would work.

My FLGS is a non-GW store that carries GW stuff and is taking official part in the campaign. Other GW partners will as well.

No idea if they'll make room for clubs and the like to officialy influence results but the campaign games should be interesting regardless.

It should be imperium vs everyone else. Where Xenis wins reduce imperial wins and chaos wins just add more to chaos.
Imperials will still win the campaign due to numbers.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Core rules will be free. Don't expect the advanced rules though.

The advanced rules are a mighty 2 pages (disregarding pictures and optional rules people never used anyway). I assume that warrants 30$ then.

A little disingenuous considering there are 36 pages of useful stuff from that point on.

Is it? I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen other people play planet strike, cities of death or any other supplement for 40k. I'm only counting pages that directly effect every game of 40k.

 Kirasu wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Core rules will be free. Don't expect the advanced rules though.

The advanced rules are a mighty 2 pages (disregarding pictures and optional rules people never used anyway). I assume that warrants 30$ then.

A little disingenuous considering there are 36 pages of useful stuff from that point on.

Is it? I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen other people play planet strike, cities of death or any other supplement for 40k. I'm only counting pages that directly effect every game of 40k.

People do tend to like play more than one mission, or with points, or with Detachments though.

Remember, the free 14 pages of rules won't contain any Matched Play or Narrative Play stuff, or any of the other Open Play missions. (As they aren't Core Rules).

Actually, with the Cities of Death from the Warhammer Community Article, I think those are gonna be my default "matchet play" style of game.

+2 cover from standing still? Grenades being efective against units in cover? Special stratagems for ambushes, etc? Count me in!

Is like... a very strategic and charactefull layer of rules that mix very well with the basic rules, instead of how normally those rules are, that feel very... "thematic", so they aren't good to play with them all the time.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Core rules will be free. Don't expect the advanced rules though.

The advanced rules are a mighty 2 pages (disregarding pictures and optional rules people never used anyway). I assume that warrants 30$ then.

A little disingenuous considering there are 36 pages of useful stuff from that point on.

Is it? I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen other people play planet strike, cities of death or any other supplement for 40k. I'm only counting pages that directly effect every game of 40k.

People do tend to like play more than one mission, or with points, or with Detachments though.

Remember, the free 14 pages of rules won't contain any Matched Play or Narrative Play stuff, or any of the other Open Play missions. (As they aren't Core Rules).

All of that is before "advanced" rules in the rulebook. I was commenting on them specifically not including the "advanced rules" section which only includes Battle-Forge Army rules (IE 2 pages of extremely simple formations) and Terrain rules (another 2 pages of extremely simple rules).

Excited for the campaign, can't wait to start it. Although with narrative being Chaos vs Forces of Imperioum I don't think xenos are going to get any decent amount of narrative time.

Tau or Necrons contributing to either sides seems odd as well. It's been ages since GW did something like this, so I'll manage to ignore it.

 Knight wrote:
Excited for the campaign, can't wait to start it. Although with narrative being Chaos vs Forces of Imperioum I don't think xenos are going to get any decent amount of narrative time.

Tau or Necrons contributing to either sides seems odd as well. It's been ages since GW did something like this, so I'll manage to ignore it.

Yeah the narrative is going to be all about the Imperium vs Chaos. I cant see any Xenos actively allying with the Chaos forces, but the Eldar and Necrons might get a bit of time fighting against them. Orks and Nids just want a good scrap or dinner so IMO they should be the spoiler factions fighting both sides. The Tau could also be fighting both sides. They should be a natural opponent of Chaos, but how much do they know about it? The Imperium on the other hand is a clear danger to there future and long time foe.