Goat wrote:
When playing match play and you purchase a unit, example Heldrake. Is it legal to purchase zero wargear for the unit?

Charax wrote:
Can a Chaos Rhino really one-shot itself it it has a combi-plasma? It kinda looks like it can

GorillaWarfare wrote:
Plague Marines seem to have taken a nerf in the FnP department. We still have our 5+, but it must be passed for each point of damage, right? So if you get wounded by a typical autocannon, you now need to pass two 5+ rolls instead of just the one.

 lindsay40k wrote:
Okay, here's a question - do Slaaneshi icons make DTTFE work on a 5, even if the 5 is a miss? I'm particularly thinking about Overwatch, there.

Did a bit of mathhammer, with a Plasma Chosen squad of Slaanesh and a Lord's buff, with supercharged shots at close range:

12 shots to start with: 8 hits, 2 DTTFE, 2 1's

2 1's are re-rolled: 1.33 hits, 0.33 DTTFE, 0.33 overheat

2.33 DTTFE shots: 1.55 hits, 0.39 1's

0.39 1's are re-rolled: 0.26 hits, 0.06 overheat

Total hits: 11.14
Total overheats: 0.41

Impressive!

Damage output:

T4, 2+ or 5++:

9.28 successful Wounds, 6.18 failed saves. Standard 'Tactical' Terminator squad wiped out.

T4, 4++:
4.64 failed saves. Add in Bolter fire and Cataphractii squad wiped out or reduced to a dead man walking.

T4, 3++:
3.09 failed saves. THSS Squad takes heavy casualties.

T5, 3++:
7.42 successful Wounds, 2.47 failed saves. Fair chance at two dead Thunderwolves.

T6, 3++:
As above. Guilliman probably heavily wounded.

T7, 3+:
7.42 successful Wounds, 6.18 failed saves. Dreadnought dead, Rhino class tank dead.

T8, 2+:
5.57 successful Wounds, 3.71 failed saves. With a little luck, Land Raider class tank down to half health.

On top of this, the Chaos Lord can contribute another Combi-Plasma (not supercharged, as we are not going to risk this unit losing the re-rolls that maintains a high Wounds output), and a melee weapon, to make a royal mess of anything braving their Overwatch with a charge.

This is a formidable unit. I think we might want one in a Rhino and one in a Dreadclaw, and familiarise ourselves with ways their accuracy or ability to OW may be hit so that we can plan how to support it (I suspect a Heldrake will be our go-to assassination unit). Especially since a single extra Elite (or HS, if you go the Havoc route) will net us a bonus CP. A cheap Hell Talon will net us a second, if the DC is a Flyer that will fill out a Wing. (I'm going to try making a DC by gluing a Tyrannocyte together with its mouth and bumhole switched around)

 lindsay40k wrote:

 KingmanHighborn wrote:
I haven't seen the 8th ed. book stuff yet, but I have 2 helbrutes with autocannons, 1 I can arm pretty much anyway I want if I ever make my mind, rhinos, a land raider, 2 maulerfiends, a helturkey, a winged daemon prince, a stormfiend/soon to be daemon prince, biker sorcerer, foot sorcerer, lots of bikers, female warpsmith and dark apostle on the cutting table, lord in termie armor, lots of termies, lots of ccw & bp marines...and autogun cultists...so...hopefully I'm alright for this edition.

Have you got an army blog? This sounds like an interesting collection

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

GorillaWarfare wrote:
Plague Marines seem to have taken a nerf in the FnP department. We still have our 5+, but it must be passed for each point of damage, right? So if you get wounded by a typical autocannon, you now need to pass two 5+ rolls instead of just the one.

It's odd.

On the downside we're slightly easier to wound and have to take FNP for each point of damage....

But on the upside, outside of Mortal Wounds there is nothing that just flat out denies DR anymore - not Force Weapons, not D weapons, not double Toughness Str weapons.

 Insectum7 wrote:
Soo, anyone else notice that the CSM squad can get two Heavy Weapons in a 10 man unit now? Double Lascannon Troops is pretty enticing.

Also, played two small games last night. Man 8th is brutal. A couple takeaways so far: Plasma Guns are suprisingly good, esp. overcharging with a Lord nearby.

Chainfists seem really lackluster, only doing 2 damage :(

Psykers seem important in every army that can take them, for some defense vs. enemy Psykers.

Using Command Points well can be crucial, especially the re-rolling of a single die.

 mrhappyface wrote:

Can a command point be used to re-roll a re-roll or is that still not allowed? (For that 1 in every 36 games that your Lord kills himself with Plasma)

 techsoldaten wrote:
Waiting for Fire Raptor rules before I get excited over anything Forgeworld. Have this awful feeling it's about to be nerfed since it was the best thing in my 7th edition army.

 lindsay40k wrote:
Anyone care to mathhammer Brass Scorpion vs Knight?

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
Soo, anyone else notice that the CSM squad can get two Heavy Weapons in a 10 man unit now? Double Lascannon Troops is pretty enticing.

Would you take lascannons over more plasma when lascannons are twice the points of plasma and an overcharged plasma does almost the same thing?

Psykers seem important in every army that can take them, for some defense vs. enemy Psykers.

Haven't played against many psykers yet, one guy took one and it didn't do much. Although I suppose they aren't power playing the psykers yet.

Using Command Points well can be crucial, especially the re-rolling of a single die.

Can a command point be used to re-roll a re-roll or is that still not allowed? (For that 1 in every 36 games that your Lord kills himself with Plasma)

sturgeondtd wrote:
Has anyone looked into Havocs? I noticed Autocannons are 20 pts compared to Lascannons at 25, compared to how cheap Heavy Bolters are, will this be enough of a difference that bringing mass Autocannons will be a waste? (AC's are also Heavy 2 S7 AP -1 D2 so they are good against maybe 1-6 Wound units/models?)


Any math hammer or thoughts would be helpful!

 mrhappyface wrote:

 lindsay40k wrote:
Anyone care to mathhammer Brass Scorpion vs Knight?

Sure, Greater Brass Scorpion charging:
8*2/3*2/3*6 = 21 wounds on the knight
4*1/3*2/3*2/3*6 = 3.6 wounds on Scorpion
8*2/3*2/3*6 = 21 wounds on the knight

Scorpion takes the Knight on the charge.

Knight charging:
4*2/3*2/3*2/3*6 = 7.1 wounds on Scorpion
8*2/3*2/3*6 = 21 wounds on the knight
4*1/3*2/3*2/3*6 = 3.6 wounds on Scorpion
6*2/3*2/3*6 = 15.8 wounds on the knight

Scorpion will still take it when being charged.

Worth the extra 10 power.
(Very quick mathhammer hope I didn't screw up)

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
I do: howly mowly. I wanted to buy one anyway because it is one of the coolest models GW/fw makes, but dangy langy ding dong that's good. My one fear is that, just based on the three FW unit rules we have seen thus far, FW is doubling down on their perception of being a pay to win vanity company. I really hope GW goes out of its way to make it clear FW stuff is just as valid as GW's.

Nice running into you again, Whem.

 whembly wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
I do: howly mowly. I wanted to buy one anyway because it is one of the coolest models GW/fw makes, but dangy langy ding dong that's good. My one fear is that, just based on the three FW unit rules we have seen thus far, FW is doubling down on their perception of being a pay to win vanity company. I really hope GW goes out of its way to make it clear FW stuff is just as valid as GW's.

It's gotta be 900+ points like the new Ork Stompa... still super stoked about it.