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Thunder hammer is -4 for both, meaning it's still five points more for characters. PFist is -8.

I think 10 scouts and a couple rhinos are good enough at blocking deep strike if you also take advantage of a board edge. Just deploy them far enough away from other units so things can't get consolidated on if the enemy does get a charge off. Then murder everything that dropped during the next turn.

jcd386 wrote:
I think 10 scouts and a couple rhinos are good enough at blocking deep strike if you also take advantage of a board edge. Just deploy them far enough away from other units so things can't get consolidated on if the enemy does get a charge off. Then murder everything that dropped during the next turn.

using a Rhino is an interesting idea. though a Razorback with twin heavy bolters is 84p, only 10p more than a Rhino (with 2 SB's), so I find it hard to justify using Rhinos. On that note, I wonder if a Stalker might be a decent blocker too, I think it's only 90p(?) now and could be a solid defensive unit if they don't deal with it.

I can't seem to find a cost for the auxillary grenade launcher on the intercessors. I remember reading somewhere it cost 4pts, but can't see it anywhere.....is it free?

I think you can take one for every 5, and it's free.

Makes sense as well, since the Intercessor who uses it can't shoot his other weapon, so it's a tradeoff.

Yes, it is fired exactly as a grenade but with 30" range so you forego other shooting for that model.

The question is - I don't have the book so can't double check - if you have two grenade launchers can you fire twice? The obvious answer is yes, but only one grenade can be thrown per squad.

I think RAW is no (at least until an FAQ can clarify). But I can't imagine anyone disallowing that, unless they're an ass.

mongoosecat200 wrote:
I can't seem to find a cost for the auxillary grenade launcher on the intercessors. I remember reading somewhere it cost 4pts, but can't see it anywhere.....is it free?

I have seen it in the french video showcasing codex space marines. Lance-grenades auxiliaire costing 4 points, same name in the intercessor entry.

I bought a box of Reivers and I caved and bought the Redemptor too.

I can't decide how to equip the Reivers though, choosing between grapnel and grav is difficult. I think the melee variant is better, but I will probably still build one five mans squad of each type. I think the shooty ones are fine with grav. I plan to use them to drop on an objective and camp it. The melee guys seem to benefit from grapnel more, as it presumably also applies to charge moves (it does, right?) However, being able to deep strive wherever you want is a serious advantage. Would it be totally crazy to give the melee guys both?

 Crimson wrote:
I bought a box of Reivers and I caved and bought the Redemptor too.

I can't decide how to equip the Reivers though, choosing between grapnel and grav is difficult. I think the melee variant is better, but I will probably still build one five mans squad of each type. I think the shooty ones are fine with grav. I plan to use them to drop on an objective and camp it. The melee guys seem to benefit from grapnel more, as it presumably also applies to charge moves (it does, right?) However, being able to deep strive wherever you want is a serious advantage. Would it be totally crazy to give the melee guys both?

I see 0 reason to do grapple. you spend 2 points a guy so they can move up and down terrain basically ingoreing it. Melee is better with grav as you can deepstrike then charge.

BUT

Either way they are terrible. 3 attacks with no save penalty is garbage. If it had -1 to it even id be all onboard. I realise that fluff does not = game rules, but it should be close. they talk how they murder in CC and their blades have an anti energy field on them like a powersword.

also terrible they cant toss the grenade or take a launcher to stun an opponent before charging after deepstrike. That would also make them useful.

Cool models, but I don't see myself taking the 10 I build and painted more then the single game ive used them.

Umbros wrote:

Yes, it is fired exactly as a grenade but with 30" range so you forego other shooting for that model.

The question is - I don't have the book so can't double check - if you have two grenade launchers can you fire twice? The obvious answer is yes, but only one grenade can be thrown per squad.

I think the more obvious answer is no, it cannot, because it doesn't change the weapon type - just the range. The only use for grabbing two is to combat squad them.

str00dles1 wrote:
they talk how they murder in CC and their blades have an anti energy field on them like a powersword.

People keep bringing this up, but I don't remember seeing it. Certainly says nothing of the sort in the codex.

 Crimson wrote:

str00dles1 wrote:
they talk how they murder in CC and their blades have an anti energy field on them like a powersword.

People keep bringing this up, but I don't remember seeing it. Certainly says nothing of the sort in the codex.

Dark Imperium book

str00dles1 wrote:

Dark Imperium book

Oh, right. Black Library. They also think that Librarians can jump on the orbit and cut space ships in twain with their force swords.

'By the Power of Mark Twain!" they scream

I just noticed something... Intercessors are supposed to be able to take and auxiliary grenade launcher per 5 models, but there is no points cost associated with it in the points cost list (as it is not an astartes grenade launcher...

Free upgrade?

For 5 points you get marines with better bolter, 2 hp, extra attack. They are just not the close combat unit they make you think it is. It's a shootout unit with assault capability.

The biggest thing is, as far as troops choices go, intercessors are the most efficient source of wounds in any MEQ book that I can find. More efficient than scouts even by one point per wound (ten scout wounds are 110 points minimum; ten intercessor wounds are 100 points) while having a better armor save, but a slight weakness to multi-damage weapons (compared to scouts being weaker to AP weapons)

So have them sit on objectives and take shots at whoever they can. If they're absorbing fire, they're doing their job. If they're not absorbing fire but are on objectives, they're still doing their job. It's a win-win.

At least they're not terrible with damage output. What ARE the stats for their grenade launchers? I'd like to know so that I can prepare my non-Primaris Marines (because I like the rules but not the models) with a similar weapon or not.

Does FW provide grenade launchers for regular Astartes?

The grenade launcher extends the range of the regular grenades to 30''. It's basically an underslung grenade launcher for a bolt weapon. Their firepower is definitely lacking. I would only bring them with bolt rifles to camp objectives.

Note that the only reason to take Intercessors with auto bolt rifles is if you need them to be Troops - Reivers with bolt carbines have the same offensive stats, better grenades and sidearm, and special rules that can penalize enemy morale.

Reivers are also 3 points cheaper per model without a movement upgrade and 1 point cheaper per model with one - so they seem to outclass the auto bolt rifle troops rather heavily!

 Kingsley wrote:
Note that the only reason to take Intercessors with auto bolt rifles is if you need them to be Troops - Reivers with bolt carbines have the same offensive stats, better grenades and sidearm, and special rules that can penalize enemy morale.

Reivers are also 3 points cheaper per model without a movement upgrade and 1 point cheaper per model with one - so they seem to outclass the auto bolt rifle troops rather heavily!

Yeah... This is just perplexing. I think that autobolt rifles were supposed to have better stats than they ended up with and at some point someone fethed up. If they had AP -1 things would make much more sense.

Wait, Intercessor Bolt Rifles got downgraded from AP-1 (what they were in the Index) to AP0 (in the SM codex?)

edit: oooh, I'm seeing it wrong, sorry. I read that as regular bolt rifles, not auto. My bad!

What do yous make of the new warlord traits? Storm of fire sticks out, but I quite like the sound of a 6 inch fearless bubble.

 Bryan01 wrote:
What do yous make of the new warlord traits? Storm of fire sticks out, but I quite like the sound of a 6 inch fearless bubble.

Umm, do you space marines often fail morale tests?

Looks like the new Codex also eliminated 2x Heavy Flamer and 2x Multi-Melta Land Speeders...

Have to default back to the Index points costs on those arrangements as well. :(

str00dles1 wrote:

Either way they are terrible. 3 attacks with no save penalty is garbage. If it had -1 to it even id be all onboard. I realise that fluff does not = game rules, but it should be close. they talk how they murder in CC and their blades have an anti energy field on them like a powersword.

Am I missing something? Doesn't Reivers have AP -1 on their combat blades? I recall the leaked dataslate showing them as AP -1.

wtwlf123 wrote:Looks like the new Codex also eliminated 2x Heavy Flamer and 2x Multi-Melta Land Speeders...

Have to default back to the Index points costs on those arrangements as well. :(

Awww that sucks if it's true.

I'm looking at it. It's true. If you want to take a Land Speeder with double special weapons, you'll have to pay the "tax" of using the Index points.

 Crimson wrote:

 Bryan01 wrote:
What do yous make of the new warlord traits? Storm of fire sticks out, but I quite like the sound of a 6 inch fearless bubble.

Umm, do you space marines often fail morale tests?

I occasionally use a few 10 men squads for reasons. So it matters to them. A six inch bubble of ignoring a phase of the game seems pretty good to me!

 wtwlf123 wrote:
I'm looking at it. It's true. If you want to take a Land Speeder with double special weapons, you'll have to pay the "tax" of using the Index points.

Damn, then it just plain sucks. Thought I finally had found a use for my Land Speeders this edition.

Guess they're going back to the shelf.