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What's a good way for Daemons to clear away screens turn 1? Letterbombs are great, but not if they only get to charge Grots.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
What's a good way for Daemons to clear away screens turn 1? Letterbombs are great, but not if they only get to charge Grots.

30 Pink horrors with icon for +1 advance and a DP for reroll 1s

Rules for new Slaanesh Herald are out and I am happy! If she is not a unique character I will be taking at least a couple of them!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/12/12/wrath-and-rapture-the-daemons-of-slaaneshgw-homepage-post-1/

CupOfBuckets wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
What's a good way for Daemons to clear away screens turn 1? Letterbombs are great, but not if they only get to charge Grots.

30 Pink horrors with icon for +1 advance and a DP for reroll 1s

I would DS the horrors TBH; 90 shots you can split them between a couple targets. But you definitely want a Changecaster there to help with Flickering Flames; wounding most chaff on 3+ or 2+ is pretty good. I'm actually building a small Khorne and Tzeentch force myself to give me options, I hate being stuck with only running Plaguebearers

Has there been any more word of the rumored new horrors data sheet or did it end up being false?

ArmchairArbiter wrote:
Rules for new Slaanesh Herald are out and I am happy! If she is not a unique character I will be taking at least a couple of them!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/12/12/wrath-and-rapture-the-daemons-of-slaaneshgw-homepage-post-1/

“The freedom to summon forth additional units from the warp via Daemonic Rituals is a huge tactical advantage that Chaos Daemons armies have”

Wait, which edition are Warhammer Community playing?

ArmchairArbiter wrote:
Rules for new Slaanesh Herald are out and I am happy! If she is not a unique character I will be taking at least a couple of them!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/12/12/wrath-and-rapture-the-daemons-of-slaaneshgw-homepage-post-1/

She is very, very good, especially if she ends up being cheap. The boost to Fiends is welcome as well.

I think we will see a huge shift in the meta as well, seems like more and more events are moving toward "tabling does not cause you to automatically lose" to stunt alpha-strike lists. I know my event this weekend is using similar rules, so board presence, staying power, and flexibility will be looked at more than killing power I feel; Fiends seem like they can be a great, flexible unit with good killing power.

 lindsay40k wrote:

ArmchairArbiter wrote:
Rules for new Slaanesh Herald are out and I am happy! If she is not a unique character I will be taking at least a couple of them!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/12/12/wrath-and-rapture-the-daemons-of-slaaneshgw-homepage-post-1/

“The freedom to summon forth additional units from the warp via Daemonic Rituals is a huge tactical advantage that Chaos Daemons armies have”

Wait, which edition are Warhammer Community playing?

Had the exact same reaction to that line.

I didn't realize how big the new Fiends are.

A 24" perils on any double bubble is downright nasty in the army that has a take 2D3 mortal wounds on a perils stratagem.

Vanguard infernal enrapturess +3 fiends would go well with pretty much any chaos army. It's going to be bad news for psyker heavy armies or armies dependent of a psycher as a crutch.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
I didn't realize how big the new Fiends are.

uh oh. How big are they? Terminator sized? Dreadnought sized?

They look to be twice or more the height of a daemonette.

3rdlegion wrote:
They look to be twice or more the height of a daemonette.

Hm. 40mm bases? Like the old ones?

From the pic on Warhammer Community, linked above, they look to be roughly an inch taller, wider and longer than Seekers.

They're on oval bases. No idea what size but they're bigger than the ones the Seekers are on, which are 75x42mm.



Do you think that they might give a nod to where GW are going to go with the KoS when shkle is re-done? Those heads are quite bovine.

 schadenfreude wrote:

A 24" perils on any double bubble is downright nasty in the army that has a take 2D3 mortal wounds on a perils stratagem.

Vanguard infernal enrapturess +3 fiends would go well with pretty much any chaos army. It's going to be bad news for psyker heavy armies or armies dependent of a psycher as a crutch.

Great point.

The only issue here is... its kinda a waste if the opponent doesn't use Psychers, her other stuff is kinda meh. But, depending on points, she might fit neatly in a undivided daemon force.

 schadenfreude wrote:

A 24" perils on any double bubble is downright nasty in the army that has a take 2D3 mortal wounds on a perils stratagem.

Vanguard infernal enrapturess +3 fiends would go well with pretty much any chaos army. It's going to be bad news for psyker heavy armies or armies dependent of a psycher as a crutch.

Yup, as if daemons were not enough of a hard-counter to my "true" TS army, now that dude would make my psykers be in even more trouble.
And my answer to characters IS psykers x_x

 BoomWolf wrote:

 schadenfreude wrote:

A 24" perils on any double bubble is downright nasty in the army that has a take 2D3 mortal wounds on a perils stratagem.

Vanguard infernal enrapturess +3 fiends would go well with pretty much any chaos army. It's going to be bad news for psyker heavy armies or armies dependent of a psycher as a crutch.

Yup, as if daemons were not enough of a hard-counter to my "true" TS army, now that dude would make my psykers be in even more trouble.
And my answer to characters IS psykers x_x

I wouldn't worry much... Slaneesh isn't exactly popular. I find it hilarious shes in a box against Khorne, the only daemon faction with no psychers...

 Zid wrote:

 schadenfreude wrote:

A 24" perils on any double bubble is downright nasty in the army that has a take 2D3 mortal wounds on a perils stratagem.

Vanguard infernal enrapturess +3 fiends would go well with pretty much any chaos army. It's going to be bad news for psyker heavy armies or armies dependent of a psycher as a crutch.

Great point.

The only issue here is... its kinda a waste if the opponent doesn't use Psychers, her other stuff is kinda meh. But, depending on points, she might fit neatly in a undivided daemon force.

As you say, her point cost (and ballistic skill) will be extremely relevant--but her shooting attack looks respectable in an army that barely has any, and that ability to regenerate models without any effort is quite good.

Seems the consensus is that people are happy with the direction they've taken Slaanesh? Certainly they've been aggressive in re-costing units, but it feels like they really tossed in the towel in terms of differentiating them from Khorne. Nurgle is slow and durable (except when they're inexplicably fast, thanks Scrivener!), Tzeentch uses mind bullets and some shooting, Khorne punches stuff really hard, and Slaanesh....flails at stuff less effectively than Khorne. Just cutting the point costs (particularly on Daemonettes) seems like an admission that they have no idea how to carve out a niche for Slaanesh.

Sokhar wrote:

 Zid wrote:

 schadenfreude wrote:

A 24" perils on any double bubble is downright nasty in the army that has a take 2D3 mortal wounds on a perils stratagem.

Vanguard infernal enrapturess +3 fiends would go well with pretty much any chaos army. It's going to be bad news for psyker heavy armies or armies dependent of a psycher as a crutch.

Great point.

The only issue here is... its kinda a waste if the opponent doesn't use Psychers, her other stuff is kinda meh. But, depending on points, she might fit neatly in a undivided daemon force.

As you say, her point cost (and ballistic skill) will be extremely relevant--but her shooting attack looks respectable in an army that barely has any, and that ability to regenerate models without any effort is quite good.

Seems the consensus is that people are happy with the direction they've taken Slaanesh? Certainly they've been aggressive in re-costing units, but it feels like they really tossed in the towel in terms of differentiating them from Khorne. Nurgle is slow and durable (except when they're inexplicably fast, thanks Scrivener!), Tzeentch uses mind bullets and some shooting, Khorne punches stuff really hard, and Slaanesh....flails at stuff less effectively than Khorne. Just cutting the point costs (particularly on Daemonettes) seems like an admission that they have no idea how to carve out a niche for Slaanesh.

On the contrary, I took this as a niche. One could convincingly argue that "hordiness" among Daemons is Slaanesh's niche. The Codex goes on and on about how massive Slaanesh is, including mentioning how each of the Chaos Gods, being excesses in their own fields, contribute a good chunk to Slaanesh's influence as well just by existing.

By that interpretation, Slaanesh could be the numerous, horde-daemons that are fast and lithe.

Lorewise, Slaanesh is to Khorne as Aeldari are to Space Marines.

You can totally get away with running a Khorne Daemons army with no greater strategy than "run at it, shouting". You can't with Slaanesh; you need certain units doing certain things at certain times to bring the whole together.

It's a dance, not a headlong charge.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Lorewise, Slaanesh is to Khorne as Aeldari are to Space Marines.

You can totally get away with running a Khorne Daemons army with no greater strategy than "run at it, shouting". You can't with Slaanesh; you need certain units doing certain things at certain times to bring the whole together.

It's a dance, not a headlong charge.

This is, of course, also true.

Sokhar wrote:

 Zid wrote:

 schadenfreude wrote:

A 24" perils on any double bubble is downright nasty in the army that has a take 2D3 mortal wounds on a perils stratagem.

Vanguard infernal enrapturess +3 fiends would go well with pretty much any chaos army. It's going to be bad news for psyker heavy armies or armies dependent of a psycher as a crutch.

Great point.

The only issue here is... its kinda a waste if the opponent doesn't use Psychers, her other stuff is kinda meh. But, depending on points, she might fit neatly in a undivided daemon force.

As you say, her point cost (and ballistic skill) will be extremely relevant--but her shooting attack looks respectable in an army that barely has any, and that ability to regenerate models without any effort is quite good.

Seems the consensus is that people are happy with the direction they've taken Slaanesh? Certainly they've been aggressive in re-costing units, but it feels like they really tossed in the towel in terms of differentiating them from Khorne. Nurgle is slow and durable (except when they're inexplicably fast, thanks Scrivener!), Tzeentch uses mind bullets and some shooting, Khorne punches stuff really hard, and Slaanesh....flails at stuff less effectively than Khorne. Just cutting the point costs (particularly on Daemonettes) seems like an admission that they have no idea how to carve out a niche for Slaanesh.

Its weird though, shes stealing an ability from the GUO with the bell, plus anti-psycher bubble. Yes, her attack is respectable, but cost is the big question... if shes too cheap, she will be broken (bringing back multiple Fiends a turn, or other wonkiness)

Theoretically, she could resurrect Zarakynel.

Or, if you played in a meta that allowed you to run 6 KoS, surround her with KoS and pile in.

Statistically you're guaranteed a 'free' KoS. Of course, without a Chariot or Steed she can't keep pace with anything but Daemonettes anyway.

EDIT - Nope. Disregard.

And she's referred to in the plural in that rule ("any Infernal Enrapturesses"), so she isn't Unique.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Theoretically, she could resurrect Zarakynel.

Or, if you played in a meta that allowed you to run 6 KoS, surround her with KoS and pile in.

Statistically you're guaranteed a 'free' KoS. Of course, without a Chariot or Steed she can't keep pace with anything but Daemonettes anyway.

EDIT - Nope. Disregard.

And she's referred to in the plural in that rule ("any Infernal Enrapturesses"), so she isn't Unique.

Wait what, what do you mean by 'free'?

Nothing, I didn't read it properly.

I thought you could resurrect any SLAANESH DAEMON unit that died within 6", but there needs to be a survivor of the unit and then on a 6 you get to add one model back to that unit.

When a KoS buys it, it won't eligible for the roll.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Nothing, I didn't read it properly.

I thought you could resurrect any SLAANESH DAEMON unit that died within 6", but there needs to be a survivor of the unit and then on a 6 you get to add one model back to that unit.

When a KoS buys it, it won't eligible for the roll.

Right, got it. Still really cool for Fiends though.

 Zid wrote:

CupOfBuckets wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
What's a good way for Daemons to clear away screens turn 1? Letterbombs are great, but not if they only get to charge Grots.

30 Pink horrors with icon for +1 advance and a DP for reroll 1s

I would DS the horrors TBH; 90 shots you can split them between a couple targets. But you definitely want a Changecaster there to help with Flickering Flames; wounding most chaff on 3+ or 2+ is pretty good. I'm actually building a small Khorne and Tzeentch force myself to give me options, I hate being stuck with only running Plaguebearers

Can't DS turn 1...

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Zid wrote:

CupOfBuckets wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
What's a good way for Daemons to clear away screens turn 1? Letterbombs are great, but not if they only get to charge Grots.

30 Pink horrors with icon for +1 advance and a DP for reroll 1s

I would DS the horrors TBH; 90 shots you can split them between a couple targets. But you definitely want a Changecaster there to help with Flickering Flames; wounding most chaff on 3+ or 2+ is pretty good. I'm actually building a small Khorne and Tzeentch force myself to give me options, I hate being stuck with only running Plaguebearers

Can't DS turn 1...

Yeah, you do it turn 2; i would never start horrors on the field. If you dont get t1, you will lose a ton because they will only have a 4++ on t3 models. Also, you wont be in a position to get to anything anyway unless your playing slaneesh or something. Thats just me though, letters and horrors are best out of deep strike, while plaguebearers are good starting on foot.

Also, i dont see how your letter bomb is getting a t1 charge... you can only declare a charge on units within 12", which means you have to advance + charge, which khorne cannot do (unless im missing something)

I think they're saying "how can I clear chaff turn 1 so that my Bloodletters can steam in on turn 2?"

 Excommunicatus wrote:
I think they're saying "how can I clear chaff turn 1 so that my Bloodletters can steam in on turn 2?"

Ah i see, misunderstood if thats the case.

I would still say horrors then, on the field... or a renegade gat knight